Topic: Asking for Merit with Proof. DT members need to step in IMO (Read 552 times)

Looks like some members want to take control on this forum and other members. It is just like terror, they want to decide who can use his account, and who can't. Strange position of that persons.

Also Lauda i want to defend myself by my main account here, i know you are respective person here , so i want to ask you help me with to make that situation around me more honest https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/personal-theymoscyrus-requestcant-defend-my-reputation-by-my-account-4318361

Sorry im not want to promote yourself , only want to understand my point of view and for what im receive merits on my main account.
How i see from all of that here is too much needs to do around merits situation at all. To many factors are appears month by month. Hope community can make at the end work helpfull insrument for solve main problems of that forum by results of merit expearence.

I agree withsome of that. It does stay not to hoard your merits and then the community shun those who follow that rule and award merits to their friends (which I don't think is a bad thing, we're a community, surely promoting personal connections between people isn't a bad thing) - surely?

Being here for 4 years or a day doesn't mean too much, it's how you present yourself here.

Im agree with IP not too much for that, but that first that go to my mind, also who have time can check all posts history of me and Sibnia , its will be better to understand that we are two different humans. Im not think that we must share here our both personal information. But if it will be need and after we share a proof about all that situation and all ppl who are created that issue solve it and ask exuses for his action and share here already their personal info im ready to do that . About Sibnia need ask Sibnia. About same provider not think so but on global channel in Russia , Belarus and Ukraine providers of  last two countries often use a Russian IT providers channels.
One more than I want to ask when here right on own choice and you own opinion start to be against rules? Im getting my merits because im active here 4 years in a row, its my own choice how i want to use that merits , if i want to sent to one account all 100 merits i can do that , if i want to sent it to 3 accounts i can do that. Its my choice how use my own merits , im not ask anyone merited my post its unuseful for Legendary account. Im not want to provide any merits competitions , not want to be like judge in merit questions. Im not understand for what another Legendary collect merits in their bags. If they are not recharged? Another members of community must share useful posts , ok what is useful posts for me that one , for you that another , for Lauda its a third. Where here consensus?

I communicate with "mellon".

I did not notice him in scam or in any actions that contradict the rules or the foundations of the crypto community.

IP addresses don't do too much to confirm you're a different person. For example, if you have dynamic IPs and both you and sibnia have the same internet provider, it's possible you may have had the same IP once since you've been here (while unlikely).


I mean it's not impossible for you to skim through that data if you particularly wanted to find the truth though is it?

Quickly put "veryfunny" on ignore and then there's not as many posts on the first page (unignore him afterwards though).


To me, this might have bewen more useufl if you mentioned in the OP that this is still ongoing (I didn't check the new evidence since I assumed it was based on the original accusations).

that fascism on the forum has come? and each person should have a license and ask for permission to manage their account?

People who abuse merits forgets that they can only use it once and when it gets used up, its either to conform to the rule of the forum on getting merit legitimately, or they are stuck in one position and because opening a new account won't come with merits, that won't be an option to consider which is why I agree with this submission entirely. The earlier we start following the rules the better for everyone. Most times people who are of the lower ranks always believe they are subject of targets when some rules are made rather its meant for the betterment of everybody.

Hi!) I'm glad to hear you mellon. I'm very sorry that I brought you so much negativity. I hope that all this will end soon especially for you.

Hello my friend. Ty for your reply. Anyway admins can check IP addresses and see that we are different ppl.

Ok. I have realy more free time on that moment to continue that discussion, so im sent here my last post on that moment about all that situation.
1. My main account mellon https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mellon-339752 , im wrote from my alt ( reserve ) account  ;
2. Sibnia https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sibnia-639205 account of my friend in real life ;
3. Yes im merited him on 31 January 2018 because he ask me to help him, its not my alt account , its another real man ( army officer, honest and respect man in real life ) ;
4. All another accounts in eddie13 list not known for and not associate with my main mellon account ;
At last may be im make mistake and merited few accounts on all of my merits its not a better using on my ( mellon ) merits. But its my own real choice , its not farming or merit abbuse , its only help to my real friend. Im not see any bad or wrong in my actions. When im merited him merits was a new feature here ,, after 3 months of that act ppl try to say me that is not right , ok , why all that time my action was right? When i do that im only want wo use all new points, they will appear on my own honest account , why i can use it once like i want , on my own choice? Im not have so much free time last 1.5 years Lauda like you , most of users of that forum live and have a real life. So yes my mistake that im not deeper check merit OP. But im never farm here or spam anyone or scam anyone. You easy can check all information about my account can try to associate all that account by any other flags. If my action with merit have a bad sense to anyone here , im real sorry for that and want to know what anyone lost by my merit action? Im already after that situation see how merits here important to some community members, so im ask to share here link for merit donation ( 25 merit im ready to donate to community and forum ) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38671393 check that post about. Anyway im not want to use merits after that situation , im not see any goods in it, but community see , so community better use my merits then me in that case. So that is all that i want say about. Im not see any criminal in my merit action , only help to my real friend and use all my merits once time like i want on my own private choice, im really dont know for what , but if im hurt here by my action with merit anyone im sorry for that. Anyway for me my real friends are mych more important than any virtual points.
So that is all on that moment , ty for your time and attention to that problem. English not my native language, so im sorry for any mistake.

P/S : At first im have a problem with login to my main honest true account https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mellon-339752 and hope anyone can help to recover it.

Sincerely yours,
mellon

Dear Lauda, ​​I may be wrong but I hope that my participation in this discussion will be very useful. Just want to apologize for my English, since my native language is Russian. To begin with, the topic of merits is very complex in its understanding. In addition, it complicates for the Russian-speaking population this translation of this topic into Russian. Personally, I coped with these problems as I could and this is the result of my activity.
Since I am the main "hero" of the merit theme, I think that I will have to justify myself (to defend myself) at the moment. I'm ready!!!
First of all I want to give information on mellon. As I already wrote, acquaintance with mellon happened on the project SteepCoin. mellon is a professional in his field, a kind and sympathetic person. His help is invaluable. With the advent of merits, I turned to mellon for help, to evaluate my messages on bitcointalk. He did not deny me. Thus, I have merits on my account from mellon.
Then I really would like to know what I'm accused of? What have I done wrong?
Ready to give answers to all the questions that close this topic once and for all.

If my memory serves me right then after my first comment on the Need help with recovering lost password to Legendary Account topic, I realized this could be an innocent mistake since most of the merit transaction happened on Jan 31 which was very early stage of introducing merit. Yesterday I saw the latest one was on April but I am pretty sure my eyes missed those at the first time. Anyway I did not follow the topic ever-since. Yesterday I noticed the post from eddie13 with possible more accounts. Then I had a wish to dig it deep.


I will try mate however I can not assure you that I will do. I am not feeling energetic today. Reading the comments on this topic and another one which I created few days ago (Discussion needed: xtraelv and Lafu activities), seems like we accepted this kind of unusual behaviors. These people always have their excuses and they are doing very well. Mistakes or ignorance are forgivable if it  happens once or twice (this is a mistake) but if it happens 10 times (#) then it's not a mistake, it's intentional and ignorance can not be an excuse but looks like I am wrong here.

I guess it's time for me to shift my energy and focus on something else. Right now I am enjoying IPL final match (I love cricket).

Clear merit farming/ abuse. There's too much gibberish in here, probably in an attempt to create a distraction. OP can you take a look at the findings from eddie13 and then (if necessary) add a clear list of involved accounts in the first post? Make sure not to link to merit pages when listing users.

So if im sent 50 merits to SteepDev and how i see from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=769913 He can sent 25 merits to anyone else. If that right, im want to ask you give any link of legit trusted merit escrow that can use that merit , on other word i want to ask guy that now control SteepDev account to donate available amount of that merits , if its possible and you have a donation candidate let me know about it. If merits start be so important here, im ready to donate it for forum and community.

Yes, but half the amount..
.5 for 1

One more question so if im send smerit to anyone he can resend it to another member in full amount and immidiately?

Why im ask about burning , im use all my merits simply because i think they will be burned out if im not use in one month. Im in last year not so more time active here, its now may be 5 time in that year when im online. I think its burned out and will be unusless at all. Thats why im sent it w/o any doubt to few accounts. In full all that i have. Really needs to read about all of that before more deeper.

So merits are not recharge ? they are giving only one time?

I don't think their is any active merit burning going on so don't worry about that.. I know of a suggestion of it but I don't think it is going to happen..


Well they aren't for ranking up your friends account because they asked you to..
I give merits to good posts made by members I think deserve to rank up.. I try..
You are not supposed to give a lot to 1 or 2 people like that.. It is very discouraged..

I'm sure you can find threads to read on "how to use merits", probably even in your best language..

Don't worry about the post, what's in the past is in the past with merits for the most part..

im sorry eddie13 its my not perfect english. Not right understand you at first. Hope you too understand my position about all of that situation and im want to ask you delete my main account from your list because im never trade merits.  After checking now some parts of forum i see tonns of same topics and merits issues etc.  Can anyone explain me one detail how im think before merits must be used by one month is they are not will be used they will be burned ?
Im check also links in your list. Im not know anyone of that accounts. But I see that sibnia sent merit to BOMG. Now im understand why you think that is all my alts. But its not mine. Need to ask sibnia about what is that .
One more question so if im send smerit to anyone he can resend it to another member in full amount and immidiately?

Just that bit I posted jumped out at me so much that I guess I had to comment on it.. I told you I do not want to pursue it any further, if you really want me to explain it to you in great detail then I will have to go back to it, examine it closely to make sure I have all the details and have them correct, and who knows what else I will find..

I'm not trying to get you tagged but if you want to draw all sorts of attention to it you might draw that attention..
Look at you last post, you are going to incriminate yourself..

Giving 50 merit to one user and... Wow.. Exactly 50 merits to the other guy too eh? That's odd don't you think? I just noticed..
Really, you probably don't want me to explain it any further.. Just leave it be..


If you are not understand yet im not see here any bad actions from my side. Im sent merits to that who im know , if im will be know you before and you ask me about im sent it to you too. In February and January . Im not hear any problems about that. If for now here bad situation around merit abbusing , its not my fault and im not provide any spam botnet farming, im simple use all my 99 merits and forget about it. You try to make any drama around my action:))) really ppl here forgot sometime that here can be ussual normal members, who are not know about all that variants and abbusing methods simply because its not interested to them.

VeryFunnny - Did you look at the links? Notice how these merit histories have blocks of consecutive merit sent to other accounts?
Notice that if you click through these users with the blocks of merit, you easily come across all of those users giving eachother these blocks of consecutive merit, in like a trail..

It does not look good..
You should calm down about it before you turn it into...

Really ? Why i should calm about other members actions? My merits that i was use not be routed or how you call that "trading" check that before post about that im merits traders or share where any merits here will go from one to another and unstopable. Im only from your post hear about any merits trading and other merits problems . So check and show all any merits trading by my main account or by VeryFunny account or by other?

Do you really need me to explain it to you?
I already posted my position against taking action on merit problems, I was looking for the quote of theymos that TP mentioned but I gave up..


VeryFunnny - Did you look at the links? Notice how these merit histories have blocks of consecutive merit sent to other accounts?
Notice that if you click through these users with the blocks of merit, you easily come across all of those users giving eachother these blocks of consecutive merit, in like a trail..

It does not look good..
You should calm down about it before you turn it into...

Just that bit I posted jumped out at me so much that I guess I had to comment on it.. I told you I do not want to pursue it any further, if you really want me to explain it to you in great detail then I will have to go back to it, examine it closely to make sure I have all the details and have them correct, and who knows what else I will find..

I'm not trying to get you tagged but if you want to draw all sorts of attention to it you might draw that attention..
Look at you last post, you are going to incriminate yourself..

Giving 50 merit to one user and... Wow.. Exactly 50 merits to the other guy too eh? That's odd don't you think? I just noticed..
Really, you probably don't want me to explain it any further.. Just leave it be..

Thanks for links , now im more better can understand the merit situation on that moment. So how im see all issues about merrit abbuse shown any routings merits within accounts, right?  If im understand all that right where here any routings? Or may be anyone can show any posts when im ask anyone about merits for me (by mellon account) or for my alt anyone?



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Im again want to check date of merited sibnia 31 January 2018 year. And check already how much merit and from who im receive. Also im want to ask moderators to check and confirm via look on ip history of my alt VeryFunny , my main account mellon and my friend account sibnia. if they want to do that they see VeryFunny and mellon same IP adresses in main sessions ( Russian Federation ) , but my friend account sibnia have different IP addresses in all  sessions. Im cannot share location of my friend without his official aggrement on that. Thats why im not share for now that kind of info about him.

Tyvm mate.

Here is any another situation , im merited account of my real friend because he ask me about, im not see any bad in that because he not scam anyone here. Im not see any rules on 31 January about merit theymos recommend only how will be good to use merits not more. Merited my friend account im help my friend , not scam here anyone not make any bad to cryptocommunity . But on now here some ppl that really have more free time and try to find any negatives actions around share my action as a scam or a same . Im not see any real result that bring merit to that forum in solving spam and tonns of alts account problem or any good success in upper quality of posts here , but that situation much more clear shown that merit become a new reason for trying to make any negative sense about anyone who are want to use their own merrits like he want. How you think all that guy topicstarter must be merit for that topic? May be here a main clue of your activity mday? In real in not see any other activity of that guy on forum less than try to find unlegit ( by his own opinion ) actions with merits from another members of cryptocommunity. But its really his own deal. How im remember in cryptocommunity all members are in a same positions and free choose by yourself what to do ( if anyone from community provide any scam action to another , its a real reason to create any alert and share proofs with all details to aware another members of community ) . Merited my friend account by part of my own merit be my own choice, only help my real friend not any reason here. When help are provide like a bad action here?

About your post here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38636647  to my side im wait from your any proofs of your words about that im trade merits.
Already want to ask all community members check that situation too. Here my full answer to you eddie13 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38636647  check it and explain me and all what you mean ?

Looks like a personal thread for my main account. At first will be good and honest from you to share that link in my recovery thread where you start that issue to me. Or give a reference to all our discussion and to my main account mellon and account of my friend sibnia. You continue post not all info and do that like its more effective for your position. its not so honest from you. Im already say here to all cryptocommunity members that im not see any wrong in my action when im merited my friend account. Im already PM hilariousandco and shorena today with ask them and another DT opinion about that situation . Im not ignore you and share with you and my own position about merited my friend account. Also im want to ask all community members who are interested in that situation to check al our disscusion from start here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3321752.new#new for have much more clear understanding situation. Already mday not check one thing its a date when im merit sibnia 31 January 2018 year not more than one week since merit feature will be add here. Ppl can check my main Legendary account mellon https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mellon-339752 and see that since 2014 year by that time im not have any buy sell accounts or spambots or any etc. operations , im have one my alt account VeryFunny (check time of creation that account and use it in main only when my main account was hacked about one year ago and now when im lost password from my mellon account. Anyone see any merit send from VeryFunnny to mellon or from mellon to VeryFunny ? Anyway Alt accounts never be unlegal on that forum).
 

I disagree with them being tagged.

They obviously have a relationship and can vouch and trust each other. It's just easier to leave them to it (as stated above).

Also, it's been a while since this case came up originally - why what's caused the delay mday?

DT members like actmyname do tag merit abusers, but only in obvious cases where there's little doubt about what's going on.  I've seen Vod tag people as well. 

In general, though, you are correct that merit abusers don't get tagged.  It's a very gray area and DT action has been less consistent than, say, loan scammers or bounty cheaters and that's because of the inherent uncertainty as to what people consider good posts and how much merit to give out.  Theymos has also suggested that suspected merit abusers shouldn't be tagged, that it'll all work out in the end--and that's why I haven't been leaving negs for people.

Some members have probably ranked up when they shouldn't have, because they're shitposters, but overall it's still MUCH harder for them to do so.  That's progress.

In some cases they are tagged like https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thebobyhunter-905442.
A lot of people have ranked up unfairly Reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0;all

I thought it was decided to NOT take action against merit abuse cases anymore, to just let them be and wait for the merit airdrop to run out..

VeryFunnny responded...
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"Sibnia simply ask me to send him smerit" - proves that Sibnia asked for merit from mellon. IMO Sibnia and mellon accounts should be red tagged by DT based on this evidence.

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Some investigations by user eddie13: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38636647

update:
This is what sibnia thinks...
This is how sibnia is concerning about the ranking up...