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legendary
Activity: 1288
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฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
While I disagree with some of the opinions on here and find the whole accusation stupid.  In my opinion I have done nothing wrong and neither has Lafu.

However I have spoken to Lafu and agreed that we should not use merits on each others posts to avoid suspicion.

This message was the one that made me smile and realise I have spent far to much time on this nonsense.

copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 420
We are Bitcoin!
@mdayonliner first congratulations on ranking up...

Well I have been following you (reading your frequent entries in meta sections) and never saw you loosing cool like this in your last post.

I'm sure you know better how to handle the situation... would have been better if you answered the concerned parties individually.

See in your last post too many colors/fonts/bold/italic making it unreadable and people will miss your point.


Thanks mate, appreciate it.
You are doing well by the way. I am pretty sure, soon to see you rank up too. Keep up the good works.

I have changed the font size and all these unnecessary formatting. Looks much better now. It was the reflection of losing my mind LOL
copper member
Activity: 1526
Merit: 2890
@mdayonliner first congratulations on ranking up...

Well I have been following you (reading your frequent entries in meta sections) and never saw you loosing cool like this in your last post.

I'm sure you know better how to handle the situation... would have been better if you answered the concerned parties individually.

See in your last post too many colors/fonts/bold/italic making it unreadable and people will miss your point.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 564
Need some spare btc for a new PC
Murder by neglect ? We are talking about something slightly less trivial as "liking" someone on facebook. If the merit system wasn't supposed to be used then it shouldn't have been introduced. If it was anymore complex than giving credit to someone that you believed deserves it - it should have been outlined better in the instructions.

I find this whole trial by lynchmob quite abhorrent.

Nah mate, you didn't understand me well. What I wanted to say is that by not being bothered to read about merit and how's it used, you got yourself into this situation. Like playing with a gun when it accidentally goes off. You didn't mean to, but you did.

It's not like liking a facebook post, it's completely different by definition and it's not even close to "like" by some other meaning. It would be more similar to subscribe on youtube or sub/donate on twitch.
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 420
We are Bitcoin!
I will talk a bit now. Last night I said I was working on a tutorial for Beginners & Help section. I am happy that I finished it.
[Eng: Tutorial] PGP Signature - Encrypt/Decrypt message - Fingerprint
I would appreciate everyone's feedback on the topic.
Anyway my head is clear now and I will talk a bit.


Hey - I may be wrong but I find it hard to believe someone randomly clicks someones "merit".
Out of the 19 cases this is the only one being discussed in a seperate thread to draw attention to it. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/done-with-the-topic-new-format-merit-abuser-gang-now-18-1-cases-3168616
In my entire time on Bitcointalk I had one message removed by a moderator. That was at the same time as this merit issue. The removed message didn't break the rules. It was politically motivated for calling out a scam. Co-incidence ? Maybe... or people are getting played.

I assist in removing between 1000 to 5000 spam/scam messages daily from a forum. I hate spammers & scammers with a vengance.

The reason is, you and your harsh attitude. Your childish activities, non-sense claims. Your problem is you notice less, understand less but talk more, you are a big mouth in my view.

This was my simple explanation: xtraelv: You are doing it wrong
We could have a better ending if you read it and acted accordingly instead, you have chosen a way to humiliate me for nothing!

Why these harsh words everywhere?
You might removed it but FYI I am closely watching all your activities since you have started accusing me with all these harsh words: scammers and blackmailers, hypocritical, blackmailed and scammed, blackmailing spam clown, extortion / blackmail, muppet. You have nothing to prove against me mate.



You post same shit everywhere, a new way of spamming...
There is nothing in the rules that says that your smerit decisions will be scrutinised by a blackmailing spam clown with some warped interpretation of the rules.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640  Scam Accusations > Serial feedback blackmailer - mdayonliner
http://archive.is/BHD1Y#selection-7507.0-7519.62

Do not be fooled by this blackmailing spam clown.

Full explaination and blackmail scam accusation against mdayonliner has been made here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640
http://archive.is/zU24W#selection-2299.0-2307.49

Do not be fooled by this blackmailing clown.

PM me if you have been blackmailed by him.

Blackmail scam accusation has been made here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640
http://archive.is/tE40M#selection-1283.0-1295.49

There is nothing that says that your decisions will be scrutinised by some blackmailing spam clown with some warped interpretation of the rules.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640  Scam Accusations > Serial feedback blackmailer - mdayonliner
http://archive.is/sU84r#selection-1987.0-1995.62

Just stop posting same shit on my topics. It's spamming.



Your ignorance
mdayonliner is endorsing giving merit away as "prizes" in a signature campaign and his signature is "for rent". Win $25 + 4 Merits every week!

oopsy! seems like you edited your comment!! Did i tell you yesterday that I was looking your activities? Here what you said originally.

I wish I could but there are so many cases I am investigating that I have actually no time to PM individuals asking for explanations. That's why I always leave the RedTrust removal link on the tag I give.



You claim yourself a scam buster but I see your investigating skill is very poor. Scam busting is not your league. You better retire or find something else.

You can think it's malice all you want, but being a "scambuster" you should know that the people you are responding to here bust 100 spammers/scammers (accounts) a day at times by analyzing merit and crypto transactions, and they deserve it..
If you look, their are threads specifically analyzing all the merit ever transacted on this forum with all kinds of stats, charts, and graphs so yeah people analyze merit a heck of a lot and the reason you were singled out is your suspicious merit activity..

You said it mate. Thumbs up! @eddie13

And don't mix up me with my brother. We don't even live in the same country. I have declared on the trust page with a very good explanation that mahimonliner IS my younger brother. A better explanation is here I gave to marlboroza when we had conflict You tagged him for no reason. Remove his tag.

Account of my younger brother. The rules says to declare someones ALT with a neutral trust however I find it necessary to declare this account in public for two reasons:

1. The username contains same suffix: _____onliner
2. When merit system were introduced my younger brother sent 4 merits to my account to try how the new merit system works. (If someone consider this as merit abuse then IMO the justification will be wrong. It was a mistake but an innocent one. When merit system introduced on 25th Jan 2018, first few days were confusing for everyone. A major number of members were testing the merit system by sending it to each others. I received those 4 merits on the Jan 27th.)

Note: I used to be an affiliate marketer and influenced few people online because of my extraordinary performance in affiliate marketing. I noticed in several places they use their username with the suffix "onliner". My younger brother is one of them. In BitcoinTalk if anyone notice any username with a suffix of "onliner" then feel free to contact with me. I will Neutral trust with that person so that the community can identify it.

Courtesy question: If someone create an account with a suffix of "onliner" or any username, then once they earn enough sMerits, they send bunches of Merits to my account to ruin my reputation then will I be a victim or how the community will look at that?



A polite warning. Please do not bring my personal stuff in here. I can have three Facebook accounts. What is it here to do with that? You do not know me. What I do for living, my profession, my motivation nothing at all. So, stay away for good.



Ok, seems like I lost my mind. This motherfucker is twisting everything. I will take a break and focus on some real stuffs to do.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

Come on. If they can't solve "KYC problems" they shouldn't be in this business.

There are other ways to limit growth too. Don't list every shitcoin under the sun maybe.

This is the scale of the problem on Bitcointalk. Nothing is done about it.
Not removing all the dodgy links to people selling exchange accounts is likely to eventually come to the attention of the likes of the SEC, FINSEC or symilar.



Each exchange has their own methods of KYC compliance. Someone buying a verified account with a $50K (or higher) daily limit can do a lot of laundry before getting caught. Especially straight after a big hack like Coincheck.

They delisted lots of coins. They increased the price for listing to discourage new listings. They reduced the amount of coins listed by 20%

API spam and malicious bot activity increased. That is currently being addressed.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org

All those crappy exchanges with support issues made the choice to neglect their customers. They could have stopped new user registrations or deposits or otherwise slowed down their growth to allow themselves to catch up but they didn't.

Stopping accounts doesn't help anything. It just causes KYC problems and serious legal issues.

The problem is mainly on bitcointalk and other forums. Also ebay.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sell-account-on-bittrex-urgent-2590167

https://i.imgur.com/ENA2OEJ.png

Come on. If they can't solve "KYC problems" they shouldn't be in this business.

There are other ways to limit growth too. Don't list every shitcoin under the sun maybe.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

You can think it's malice all you want, but being a "scambuster" you should know that the people you are responding to here bust 100 spammers/scammers (accounts) a day at times by analyzing merit and crypto transactions, and they deserve it..

I wasn't referring the malice to anyone other than the OP. Hey - I may be wrong but I find it hard to believe someone randomly clicks someones "merit".
Out of the 19 cases this is the only one being discussed in a seperate thread to draw attention to it. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/done-with-the-topic-new-format-merit-abuser-gang-now-18-1-cases-3168616
In my entire time on Bitcointalk I had one message removed by a moderator. That was at the same time as this merit issue. The removed message didn't break the rules. It was politically motivated for calling out a scam. Co-incidence ? Maybe... or people are getting played.

I assist in removing between 1000 to 5000 spam/scam messages daily from a forum. I hate spammers & scammers with a vengance.
legendary
Activity: 2296
Merit: 2262
BTC or BUST
I'm pretty sure what happened is cryptopia staff came here not knowing btct very well, and they attempted to promote cryptopia like many other companies do..

They didn't know the etiquette of btct so they unknowingly broke some rules for multiple threads and such..
Common btct noob mistakes but the admins of topia are hotheads with huge egos so instead of learning a battle ensued resulting in topia admins pretty much writing off btct and blocking btct links from their chats and stuff..  

You might have noticed that I don't have any Cryptopia signature or adverts on my profile. I have strong links with a number of exchanges.

As a crypto investor you get associations with many coins, exchanges and people.

Cryptopia has changed from being run by 2-3 people last year to now being run by a new CEO and about 116 staff. Only one founder still works there part time.

The main reason I come on bitcointalk is to expose scams and to assist users that post in the Cryptopia thread because bitcointalk is largely ignored by their staff.

I don't even particularly like bitcointalk because the new users get treated quite poorly.


Cryptopia has been hammered a lot on btct to the point to where you would almost feel bad for them but they bring it on themselves..

This thread is pretty much a continuation of cryptopia not knowing WTF they are doing and getting themselves into trouble.. Probably..

I mean, Ill give xtraelv the benefiet of the doubt that he didn't know that he would cause trouble for himself with his meriting activity, and I'm sure all of this crap that just got stirred up over his use of merit is a pretty good big warning to him and hopefully he will brush up on btct culture/etiquette and act accordingly..

Cryptopia has really been beaten up a lot here on btct for not knowing what they are doing so I say you don't wreck this guys account yet, make sure he is well aware (I think he is) of the problem, and lets hope he can end the cycle of cryptopia/btct - Hatfield/McCoy rivalry..

Cryptopia was beaten up because their systems couldn't cope with the volume and support requests were astronomical. It is only logical and understandable that users became upset.

As a mod I tried to do what I could during that time. The rest of the time I largely ignore that thread. Usually Lafu is on there on his own trying to do his best with limited English.  Every exchange gets hammered on here. Exchange users don't read, don't research and have opinions about things they know little about. They hit the nuclear button when their funds are stuck and disappear once it is resolved. They gravitate to here to voice their opinions on here because abusive behaviour is largely unmoderated.  I prefer spending months unravelling complex scams where people have actually lost funds and preventing others from losing their funds.

I'm also not convinced that this is without malice. I can't imagine someone analysing someones "merits" for no reason when they don't have time to message those users. I suspect ulterior motive.

116 staff and an unpaid mod with english problems is the only one there most of the time? Besides you?
I don't know, I haven't been back there in a while since they banned me one too many times..

When I was talking about cryptopia previously having problems I meant the first few times anything was posted about "cryptopia" here.. Way back..

The reason new accounts seem to be treated poorly is that their are more alt spam accounts and bot accounts made here everyday than you can imagine, most are up to no good..
THIS IS WHY the merit system was put into place and why you got yourself called out on it..

At first glance it looks like you are sending merit to your alt account, like 95% of the cases that look like yours..
If we were all so terrible to noobs we would not have even considered your innocence.. A lot of good people here took their time to come to the conclusion..

You can think it's malice all you want, but being a "scambuster" you should know that the people you are responding to here bust 100 spammers/scammers (accounts) a day at times by analyzing merit and crypto transactions, and they deserve it..
If you look, their are threads specifically analyzing all the merit ever transacted on this forum with all kinds of stats, charts, and graphs so yeah people analyze merit a heck of a lot and the reason you were singled out is your suspicious merit activity..

You giving all of your merit to one account is a bullseye on your back that you are one of these spammers the forum is fighting, but look it seems people have come to the conclusion that you are innocent..

Actually, this method of bringing these cases to the public, like yours was, works pretty darn good to clear innocent peoples name.
I know I don't like seeing people get screwed when they don't deserve it, and I'm pretty sure a lot of others don't either by the way they come here on their own time to personally dig into these cases and find the truth..

mdayonliner might be a bit new and anxious to bust spammers, and they saw the target on your back that you made, and now you are one of the few that get let off the hook..  
"I didn't know" doesn't get many people off either..

I suggest you lose the hostility about your situation and bring yourself to a good understanding of the culture of btct, so you can get along swimmingly by avoiding mistakes like this and become a fine upstanding member..
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

All those crappy exchanges with support issues made the choice to neglect their customers. They could have stopped new user registrations or deposits or otherwise slowed down their growth to allow themselves to catch up but they didn't.

Stopping accounts doesn't help anything. They tried stopping registrations. It just causes KYC problems and serious legal issues.

The problem is mainly on bitcointalk and other forums. Also ebay.



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sell-account-on-bittrex-urgent-2590167

legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
Cryptopia was beaten up because their systems couldn't cope with the volume and support requests were astronomical. It is only logical and understandable that users became upset.

As a mod I tried to do what I could during that time. The rest of the time I largely ignore that thread. Usually Lafu is on there on his own trying to do his best with limited English.  Every exchange gets hammered on here. Exchange users don't read, don't research and have opinions about things they know little about. They hit the nuclear button when their funds are stuck and disappear once it is resolved. They gravitate to here to voice their opinions on here because abusive behaviour is largely unmoderated.  I prefer spending months unravelling complex scams where people have actually lost funds and preventing others from losing their funds.

All those crappy exchanges with support issues made the choice to neglect their customers. They could have stopped new user registrations or deposits or otherwise slowed down their growth to allow themselves to catch up but they didn't. Cashing in on the bubble was too important. It's quite disingenuous of you to blame the customers when Cryptopia's policy has been - and still is as far as I can see - "send us the money but if you want it back be prepared to wait three months for your ticket to get resolved".

I would suggest that you walk away before you dig the hole too deep. That whole Cryptopia nonsense is just gonna earn you more red trust for shilling this shitty-borderline-scammy exchange. Trust is not moderated and mdayonliner is not in DT so there is nothing you can do.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
I'm pretty sure what happened is cryptopia staff came here not knowing btct very well, and they attempted to promote cryptopia like many other companies do..

They didn't know the etiquette of btct so they unknowingly broke some rules for multiple threads and such..
Common btct noob mistakes but the admins of topia are hotheads with huge egos so instead of learning a battle ensued resulting in topia admins pretty much writing off btct and blocking btct links from their chats and stuff..  

You might have noticed that I don't have any Cryptopia signature or adverts on my profile. I have strong links with a number of exchanges.
I'm not reponsible for their issues, have no control over their issues but have tried to help users get resolutions. How bad is that ?

As a crypto investor you get associations with many coins, exchanges and people.

Cryptopia has changed from being run by 2-3 people last year to now being run by a new CEO and about 116 staff. Only one founder still works there part time.

The main reason I come on bitcointalk is to expose scams and to assist users that post in the Cryptopia thread because bitcointalk is largely ignored by their staff.


I don't even particularly like bitcointalk because the new users get treated quite poorly.


Cryptopia has been hammered a lot on btct to the point to where you would almost feel bad for them but they bring it on themselves..

This thread is pretty much a continuation of cryptopia not knowing WTF they are doing and getting themselves into trouble.. Probably..

I mean, Ill give xtraelv the benefiet of the doubt that he didn't know that he would cause trouble for himself with his meriting activity, and I'm sure all of this crap that just got stirred up over his use of merit is a pretty good big warning to him and hopefully he will brush up on btct culture/etiquette and act accordingly..

Cryptopia has really been beaten up a lot here on btct for not knowing what they are doing so I say you don't wreck this guys account yet, make sure he is well aware (I think he is) of the problem, and lets hope he can end the cycle of cryptopia/btct - Hatfield/McCoy rivalry..

Cryptopia was beaten up because their systems couldn't cope with the volume and support requests were astronomical. It is only logical and understandable that users became upset.

As a mod I tried to do what I could during that time. The rest of the time I largely ignore that thread. Usually Lafu is on there on his own trying to do his best with limited English.  Every exchange gets hammered on here. Exchange users don't read, don't research and have opinions about things they know little about. They hit the nuclear button when their funds are stuck and disappear once it is resolved. They gravitate to here to voice their opinions on here because abusive behaviour is largely unmoderated.  I prefer spending months unravelling complex scams where people have actually lost funds and preventing others from losing their funds.

I'm also not convinced that this is without malice. I can't imagine someone analysing someones "merits" for no reason when they don't have time to message those users. I suspect ulterior motive.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
so much that we're getting really close to "shoot first, ask questions later" situation.

Right now, I do think that they've intentionally traded smaller amount of merit between one another but I don't think it was with serious intents of trading merit against the rules. Something like "murder from neglect" (I believe I've picked the right term).


Murder by neglect ? We are talking about something slightly less trivial as "liking" someone on facebook. If the merit system wasn't supposed to be used then it shouldn't have been introduced. If it was anymore complex than giving credit to someone that you believed deserves it - it should have been outlined better in the instructions.

I find this whole trial by lynchmob quite abhorrent.
copper member
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Thank you everyone, for the feedbacks you have left so far on this topic. I will wait for some more feedbacks from different members until I make a summary of this topic. Right now I am working on a tutorial for the Beginners & Help section to add on the topic Self development and BitcoinTalk [Must read for new members]. I already added some views in the other topic which created against me on the Scam Accusations board. I quote it below...


Thanks for stepping in Lauda, The Pharmacist, suchmoon and others in advance.

I would suggest that mdayonliner probably shouldn't be putting those kinds of terms on feedback removal--if you tag someone for merit abuse, scamming, or whatever, you should do it for the good of the community and my opinion is that unless you made an error, the feedback should stick.  Even if it's untrusted.
If my memory serves me right then I believe I had a soft explanation before however I will try again...

=>I do not feel happy by red tagging members.
=>My red tag is a warning for them to aware that they are doing things (if any) wrong (it could be merit or anything else).

It is obvious that they will see the red tag and will write me back or react harsh like this topic (Most of the time I really get harsh reply with threatening messages like "i will give you a negative trust too" but it's ok with me. I left my teenage time long ago).

=>When they come and explain me or they admit they made mistake/s then I remove the red tag with a neutral tag. The neutral tag is a log only for their first warning.

After that if I spot the same behaviour then I can bring all these evidence/s of first warning and request any DT member to take a look on the case. If DT find them guilty then it's up to them if they want to red tag the abuser or not. But my feeling is that DT member WILL red tag them if they do the same mistake 2nd time. And this way the forum will be free from abusers, a better place for users who respect the forum rules, cares about the forum and the community.

Question could be... why don't I give neutral trust at the first place? Because, a neutral trust will not make them serious enough to admit or even to explain me but a red tag will do.  

I think the "terms" of feedback removal are too convoluted and sometimes mdayonliner can seem like a bit of a drama queen but I don't see malicious intent here.
@suchmoon, I hope now you will have a better idea of my redtag removal topic. Based on your feedback here I will re-structure the topic so that it looks good and not a drama queen stuffs  Grin


Stop using these two words every time someone gives you a timeline to correct something. Neither word is applicable here. Overly-sensitive humans. Roll Eyes
@Lauda, thanks for spotting it. That exactly explains my explanation to The Pharmacist above.


In general for the record, I have no interest whatsoever to blackmail anyone for anything especially for un-trusted feedbacks - I am not such stupid.


Something like "murder from neglect" (I believe I've picked the right term).
@Tyrantt, I love it (the statement)  Smiley
hero member
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OK, and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in this case--not that I would tag you anyway.  Just understand that there's so much abuse going on with the merit system that a merit history like yours sticks out like a sore thumb.  Mdayonliner is looking out for such things, as are other members and you got onto their radar apparently.  

so much that we're getting really close to "shoot first, ask questions later" situation.

Right now, I do think that they've intentionally traded smaller amount of merit between one another but I don't think it was with serious intents of trading merit against the rules. Something like "murder from neglect" (I believe I've picked the right term).
legendary
Activity: 2296
Merit: 2262
BTC or BUST
I'm not sure either, but I'd put it at 90% sure that xtraelv and Lafu have some sort of arrangement for those merits that were exchanged.  Either they're friends, they're alts, or there was some goods, services, or money exchanged.  I don't know, but the pattern of their merit-giving is suspect and not normal.

Neither Lafu nor myself are "customer support" .We are both UNPAID volunteer moderators on Cryptopia -


So yeah, they are friends, have common interests, do the same things, post in the same threads..
I think you could consider them both members of "team cryptopia" or something like that..

I can see why he thinks that lafu's posts are very worthy of merit from his perspective, and it's very possible that he didn't know this would draw great suspicion upon him..

Lafu helps users with problems on bitcointalk while I generally am involved in busting scams on here. As moderators we have some special priviliges, abilities and contacts to help people that have issues with the exchange. Neither of us have to be on here because generally Cryptopia ignores this "bitcointalk" forum because it is largely unmoderated and often has abusive people on it. So their staff doesn't generally post on here.

I'm pretty sure what happened is cryptopia staff came here not knowing btct very well, and they attempted to promote cryptopia like many other companies do..

They didn't know the etiquette of btct so they unknowingly broke some rules for multiple threads and such..
Common btct noob mistakes but the admins of topia are hotheads with huge egos so instead of learning a battle ensued resulting in topia admins pretty much writing off btct and blocking btct links from their chats and stuff..  


Cryptopia has been hammered a lot on btct to the point to where you would almost feel bad for them but they bring it on themselves..

This thread is pretty much a continuation of cryptopia not knowing WTF they are doing and getting themselves into trouble.. Probably..

I mean, Ill give xtraelv the benefiet of the doubt that he didn't know that he would cause trouble for himself with his meriting activity, and I'm sure all of this crap that just got stirred up over his use of merit is a pretty good big warning to him and hopefully he will brush up on btct culture/etiquette and act accordingly..

Cryptopia has really been beaten up a lot here on btct for not knowing what they are doing so I say you don't wreck this guys account yet, make sure he is well aware (I think he is) of the problem, and lets hope he can end the cycle of cryptopia/btct - Hatfield/McCoy rivalry..
legendary
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Well - you're wrong. I've never spoken to Lafu about merits until yesterday when I became aware of these claims. Like I said before: I couldn't care less about receiving merits.
OK, and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in this case--not that I would tag you anyway.  Just understand that there's so much abuse going on with the merit system that a merit history like yours sticks out like a sore thumb.  Mdayonliner is looking out for such things, as are other members and you got onto their radar apparently.  

As I said, the amount of uncertainty in tagging people I think are abusing merits keeps me from tagging them, as well as Theymos's statement that he doesn't think they should be tagged.  I understand very well that "friends" tend to merit each other and there may not be any bad intention behind this.  I've given lots of merit out to members I respect, and while they're not exactly "friends", it's the same principle.

Edit:
Something like "murder from neglect" (I believe I've picked the right case).
Or like depraved indifference.  I've always had a fondness for that legal term for some reason.
legendary
Activity: 1288
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฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
I'll be honest when I say that I'm not sure.
I'm not sure either, but I'd put it at 90% sure that xtraelv and Lafu have some sort of arrangement for those merits that were exchanged. .


Well - you're wrong. I've never spoken to Lafu about merits until yesterday when I became aware of these claims. Like I said before: I couldn't care less about receiving merits.

legendary
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On the other hand--and I've said this before--you might look at my merit history and think that I'm buying merits from pugman, TMAN, and Foxpup, since they've left some for me multiple times.  That's not the case, however.  We frequent many of the same threads and apparently they just like my posts.  And I've left merits for them and others numerous times, which could look suspicious.  And while I can scream it from the hills that there's nothing nefarious going on, there's no proof that there's not.
Really? You sure it is me? I haven't sent you even a merit! Lol. That's a surprise for me too because you're one of the best posters on bitcointalk!  Sad
But not anymore! It would be a shame for me if I am applying for a merit source and not meriting you. So let's begin with that. We are alts now.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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I'll be honest when I say that I'm not sure.
I'm not sure either, but I'd put it at 90% sure that xtraelv and Lafu have some sort of arrangement for those merits that were exchanged.  Either they're friends, they're alts, or there was some goods, services, or money exchanged.  I don't know, but the pattern of their merit-giving is suspect and not normal.

On the other hand--and I've said this before--you might look at my merit history and think that I'm buying merits from pugman, TMAN, and Foxpup, since they've left some for me multiple times.  That's not the case, however.  We frequent many of the same threads and apparently they just like my posts.  And I've left merits for them and others numerous times, which could look suspicious.  And while I can scream it from the hills that there's nothing nefarious going on, there's no proof that there's not.

This is why I'm not tagging suspected merit abusers.  There's just way too much subjectivity involved and it makes my conscience itch.  However, in THIS case, where not many other people have merited OP....that's strange.  It definitely stands out when the majority of merits come from one member and not many from anyone else.

Really? You sure it is me? I haven't sent you even a merit! Lol. That's a surprise for me too because you're one of the best posters on bitcointalk!  Sad
Whoops!  I didn't look before posting this, and my coffee obviously hasn't kicked in yet.  I take that back then.  I don't know why I thought that--maybe I got you confused with someone else.  Maybe I'm just confused in general.  Cheesy
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