Topic: Asking Questions And Avoiding Penalties- Tips For New Members (Read 436 times)

If he should have such encounter, then he doesn't not have to see it as a barrier when he can simply afford to pay the little amount of money for the evil fee if he does not mind, and he could be as well lucky when the ip address he's using has no evil record.


This forum has made it easy on everyone by not enforcing anything on anyone, even the evil fee can be avoided by seeking for whitelisting through application, as a member, you're free to choose where to post, either to identify with the local board or not, as long as all you're doing are in line with the forum rules and regulations, you have your freedom to enjoy your stay here with varieties of boards and discussions.

Forum members have said it all and I just want to say that it's up to you to make use of the replies provided for you, for you to ask questions about copy and paste from other site to the forum shows that you have really gone through the rules and that's a good one, you are one step ahead as reading is one of the most important thing to do here, asking questions is important too and there's no penalty for it. The search bar is available for you to do your research about anything concerning the forum, you can then proceed to ask your questions if you don't find what you are looking for in the search bar.

This is good advice but I’m afraid some newbies may read your comment and misinterpret it to mean that paraphrasing is allowed. I think it’s better for newbies to simply add the link to the source and do that in a way that it is visible and obvious that they are not trying to pass it off as their own words.

A proxy ban is not the same as being banned from the forum; this user has not been here before and has not had any account that violated any of the forum rules.

As such, they have not been banned before for any form of misconduct, so why should the moderator ban this user? Only those who have had an account before and were banned from the forum if they create and use another account, which is what I see they consider ban invading.
 

Even with the use of VPN, you can still create an account and get a proxy ban. Not all VPNs are free from the proxy ban; it's not an evil the user committed afterwords; it's just unfortunate that certain people find themselves in the wrong location where the IP has been blacklisted for evil before.

The easiest way to avoid plagiarism is to learn what you are reading and then convey it in your own words. You are not considered a copy-paster if you are providing information that you have got from somewhere as long as it's in your wording and you are not writing it in the same manner you read it. This is what I do to avoid plagiarism and to be able to populate your posts with essential information, news, and any other thing that might have some weight.

If you think you can't do that or you don't want to do that, then as suggested by others, you will need to give a reference to the source from where you have copied the information, and if you don't do that and someone catches you, you risk getting your account ban or at least get a negative trust rating.

Well, in the context of a proxy ban such an accusation is in my opinion rather nonsense, because Apocollapse likely speaks of bans against individual persons like those who get banned due to plaguerism. A proxy ban usually can't pinpoint an individual, flags a range of IP addresses as evil assuming an evil entity has control over some range of IP addresses. It's not uncommon that this results in collateral damage to non-evil users who just happen to share that IP range with the evil entity.

If there's a rule against "evading" proxy bans, I'd really like to see it. Sure, if you're evil and play nasty, you fully deserve a proxy ban. To my knowledge it shouldn't be too hard to bypass it.

I had a similar experience and I have learnt from my mistake so the best thing to do is after reading through the content, you should make a conclusion or contribution, comment and then paste the link. Nevertheless, you should not post off topic and then you should know the board where your post belong. You can not be talking about  gaming and you post it in BEGINNERS AND HELP or be talking about bitcoin investment and then you are posting it in politics and society.
Thats my view and I stand to be corrected if I am wrong.

Thanks for the explanation. I was also curious when I saw a member post that the Op evaded a ban. I haven’t seen any rules that’s against using VPN before. Maybe what the poster means is that, as long as the Op has once created a account and the account got banned, the Op should have just paid the amount that he was asked to pay and not created a new account.

If you can check the thread well, you will see that someone came and was accusing the Op of ban evasion, and I never started it. Since I don’t really know much about it, I decided to ask. I will be quoting the poster that started it below.

Congratulations on your account. I have a point to make, asking questions is not bad but I will advice you learn to use the search bar to find answers to questions because most of the question you love to ask has been asked few years ago or recently. 

If you use the search bar and find related question but not to your taste, you can go ahead and ask your question from that post as a reply. That will make the old post to pop up on the list with "new " in front of the post indicating a new reply has been posted and you see people responding to you.

Also, take note of giving credit to the source of your information, this is internet age, your information or post can be checked with plagiarism test which will indicate the first place that post existed , hence you will tagged to have violate the rules by stealing others content.

What your saying about coping is not bad in as much the information is genuine but where the problem coming is when you failed to quote the Link, that is totally plagiarism which is purnishable. You can see information in any place in as much is not you that wrote it at first, the author or Link must be provided, indicating your sighting existing work not adopting it as your work. If I may advice properly and this will help you to generate your own topic or reply properly just take your time to study pin post allot is already in the board, when you know much about the forum and Bitcoin itself you can do better than coping.

I followed the thread briefly. To me it looks that the OP had an issue with proxy ban. A proxy ban could be entirely not a user's fault and may flag an IP range as evil because other users behaved nastly (e.g. if you use Tor and the Tor exit node had other evil users). OP didn't want to pay for other IP address range users' evilness, that's totally understandable. This all assuming, OP tells the truth and doesn't hide something he did in the forum in the past which got him banned (which he obviously wouldn't disclose with his alt account).

To my knowledge there are no forum rules against VPN use, so why do you bring it up? Additionally, what makes you postulate or phantasize OP got banned for some ban-worthy nefarious actions with his other account?



I'm curious what this due process is? The forum poses minimal requirements for an an account registration: an unique username, a valid email address, a visual verification captcha and passing the additional Recaptcha (JavaScript required). (I verified via a Tor browser and initiated a registration process, but didn't finish it 'cause I don't need an alt account.)

I'm asking because I've no idea what due process there could be. If the forum's proxy flags your IP range as evil then you have few options to proceed: pay the evil IP fee (why would "innocent" users do that?), get whitelisted for free and convince e.g. LoyceV to unban you from proxy ban, use other Tor exit nodes or another VPN IP location which is not proxy banned.

 Hello, I'm new here as well and i came across same issues, i think what you meant is a proxyban fee for an IP adress with evil.Also, when i read through upon account opening, i noticed the proxyban fee is for new invites from certain locations and automatically detected by this forum, but luckily for me i got whitelisted so i was able to get past the ban.

 Well i was adviced to follow the rules and regulations of the forum and avoided some necessary things like spamming and plagiarism that could get me banned from this forum.Therefore I'll advice you to do same as well and take serious note about that, anyways goodluck to us as we journey through the forum.

 Also, I'm taking my time to go through the replies in this post cause it would be nice to learn from senior member that's had experience before us.

I guess you didn't follow the due process when creating the account because if you fail to do the requirement needed to create Bitcointalk.org account as a newbie, your account will be showing not enable to post in any forum but the moment you follow the due process to register your account, you will begin to have access to post or reply to any body in the forum.

You can visit your local board to join other newbies to understand some rules you need to know before coming to other section discuss but if you are not comfortable with your local board you can learn the rules in this beginners and help discussion because if you disobey any rules in this forum, you will face the penalty but if you want to grow faster to start developing good post in any section discussion, try to study all those links people have sent to this trend and you will find important things that will change you positively in the forum.

I don’t really know if it’s a ban evasion or n or, I didn’t see it in the forum rules that using VPN is against the forum rules, and I haven’t even seen any thread that’s against using VPN. I think maybe when you write a post and you plagiarize, or you did something wrong and your account got banned, if you create another account, then that’s ban evasion, and if the account is reported, it’s going to be banned also. But this case is a different one, I don’t know if the OP evaded a ban. Seriously,  I will really like someone to explain this better to me.

A lot of members have given you suggestions and what to do about some questions you've asked, I would like to point out some things to you in a bid to also help you here in the forum. Always ask questions for things you don't have answers, take your time and study the rules and also observe the post pattern of forum members. From your user name, I can see that you're a Nigerian, you can as well visit the Nigerian local board to ask some things and also familiarize yourself with people from Nigeria.

That means you're evading ban, I hope the moderator will ban this one account.

To learn, you don't have to create an account because you can read every users' posts if you're just a guest. This forum also not the only forum to learn about Bitcoin, there are many forums e.g. r/Bitcoin, Bitcoin stack exchange etc.

congratulations for having the courage to open another account and that actually shows that you want to learn. and concerning the idea of going to the web to read and change the ideas you got in your own wordings that is very wrong rather i will advice you to  read more on the forum and see how the high ranked members make their own post and follow their footsteps .

You can check it here and see how many forum members are plagiarizing in the forum and then being reported which sooner or later that reported forum member will get banned.



I think you'll find it easy to do since it is not that complicated anyway.


EXAMPLE:
This is your post not too long ago and if you are going to reply to someone with a specific like in a post then you should do this.
Let's say you are going to reply to my post the you should click on the quote button on that post and then you will see this.
Since you are replying to someone about a certified line then you should keep it and erase the rest and it will look like what you can see below. You can use this to separate it.

It would look like this

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Hope this helps.

@Stable090- I didn’t pay, I created another one with the help of  VPN

@nakamura12- thank you for the enlightenment I now understand more about the copy paste


I’ve seen others reply multiple, I don’t know how to reply that way this is the best I could do

You said immediately you created your first account, it was restricted, and you were asked to pay a small amount of money before you would be able to use your account. Then it’s because your IP address has been banned. That’s the reason, not that you committed any offense, but how did you create the one that you are using and you were not asked to pay any amount of money, or did you pay before making use of it, or did you use a VPN when you were creating this current one?
 
If you have started posting and your account got restricted, then I will have said maybe you have plagiarized, that’s why your account got ban, but since you haven’t posted, then it’s your IP address that has been banned.

If it's your own understanding and explanation about a topic then you don't need to put a reference link but if you did paraphrase it then it is very much similar to plagiarism which is not allowed in the forum or frowned upon doing so. Well, you wouldn't much learn from copying other's work without learning it yourself. If I were to advice you then that's what I will say that you should avoid copying other people's work to post it as your own and to be honest, you shouldn't break any form rules is the best decision you can make.

In the academic and literally world, using someone's knowledge like your own without giving any credit is a very serious offense. In some countries, you would be asked to pay some fines or be thrown in jail for a short period of time for it. The same law and rule is applicable in this forum. It will be called academic theft you were caught doing that. And because you can't be asked to pay any fine or thrown in jail for it here, the equivalent for it is a ban.

You can always use starters like, "Accorrding to ...", "Coingraph reported that...", "In an article cited in Bitcoin.com...", "Micheal Saylor mentioned that...". "Elon Musk wrote that..." these should be followed with the link attached at the end like a footnote or embedded in the body of the text which is call in-text-citation.

Some people try to find a gray area when it comes to plagiarism topics and AI generated posts but there not. Passing someone else’s work as yours is plagiarism.

There is no penalty for asking questions, this is a forum after all. It’s only decent to do some research on your own to see if it’s been discussed before. You can learn a lot from reading old threads. I usually tell newbies to use the forum search engine, but you can as well use google search, type in your question and add the keyword bitcointalk at the end. Similar threads will pop up on your browser when you do this.

I don’t think OP is evading ban, I believe he was referring to the forum’s proxy ban on accounts created from certain IP addresses.

First of all, you need to avoid copying and pasting, and you aren't also allowed to use any tools to change or generate your posts. Secondly, you can get data with reference links. You may get information over the internet, and you may mention where you got this information. But you can do research on the Internet and make a post here. For example, someone asks what's the maximum supply of bitcoin, and you don't know it. You can search the internet and post it's 21 million. For that, you don't need to share references or links, but your information should be accurate. Posting false information would mislead other users. Keep in mind that all the information on the Internet isn't accurate.

Copy/paste something from somewhere definitely needs including a source or reference otherwise you risk being banned for plagiarism.

I would extend this also to paraphrasing content of others. It's harder to detect but if detected by some detectives here you're likely in trouble. If it's not your content, cite it properly with reference/source, simple as that!

As for asking questions: why not, but consider that a lot of questions might have been answered already, maybe even for the umptillionth time.
Loosely based on Star Wars: Use the search, Luke! 

Try at least some decent effort with the forum search (which can be a bit cumbersome) or hop over to https://ninjastic.space where searching this forum's content is much more fun and pleasant.

Hmm, As a newbie the more you are better for you, to have concrete information and a good reputation, but creating the threads already discussed many times is also not a wise action, There's no restriction on how many questions you can ask, except you don't spam by burst posting. So before asking and creating any topic you can utilize the search feature to find out whether the question si already been discussed before if yes better not to create a new topic and gather information from the older sources, but if you are finding any difficulty ask freely you are free with your keyboard.

For the rest having a reference link always gives a + point in the authenticity of the content and you can avoid many problems if you have a proper reference to the information you are quoting. It's not necessary every time, sometimes you can ignore it as well, but having a link is the surety.

Some people don't realise that when you create an account, you have an IP address from the location. This has happened to one of my guys before; he doesn't understand and didn't want to ask because he thought people would think less of him. In life, you have to understand the process before engaging in any activity; you can ask questions in this forum if you don't understand anything. Copy and paste is another thing that is not allowed in the forum; you can see mention of it in the rules.

The forum is not that difficult to use if you follow the rules and understand them thoroughly. Since he has opened a new account, I think he can learn from there and won't want to do anything that could result in him losing his account. The forum asks that you read and comprehend any post you see before adding your ideas or saying anything about the post.

It is evil IP address and you have to buy pay small evil fee to post. You have an alternative solution, ask for free white listing and wait for result.

Some of users are doing white listing.
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It is allowed but you must show the source link and don't try to steal intelligent content of other people.

[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism
[GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it.

This looks like a case of a proxyban due to evil IP, which is no fault of the OP and doesn't make them disingenuous at all. The proxyban system is long overdue for an adjustment imo, as it no longer serves it purpose.

Every information we have now is a product of what we have read, listened to or watched in the past, so every post here is us putting content in our own words. You are good if you do this. Something as simple as reading about something on a different website, closing it and then proceeding to write on it here on the forum would give you markedly different sentences and not count as plagiarism.

In cases of news headlines it's ideal to quote the source, but in general knowledge situations, not so much so.

Feel free to ask as much questions as you want.
Just don't make two consecutive replies on a thread, beyond this, ask away.

I think that the OP knows the reason for his first block but is being disingenuous and therefore does not show us the account that was banned.
Further, what was previously provided without reference was probably the reason for the ban.
OP, we can't prove your mistakes, but since you're here, try not to break the rules, and also quote posts if you need to refer to someone else's answer on the forum.
To copy information from external sources, add a link.

Welcome to the forum. Copy and paste without making reference to the source is an offense on the forum and you could get a ban for it. To copy and paste, add a link to the source of your post or use a quotation mark or use both.

You're free to read a content, digest it and put it in your own words. It shows originality and that's what's is required of you. However, I think it necessary to add a link if it's a breaking news or something you think people would like to verify the authenticity of the information.

You can ask as many questions as you've as long as you're not spamming.

It's just about ip evil fee, it is believed that some certain id location had been abused of the privilege given to them in the past for either scam or spam, so it will be requested of a new member to pay for the evil fee before registration is completed, however, you can apply for whitelisting.


Plagiarism is when you copy an information, post or article from somewhere and claim them as yours without given references to the author, this is against the rules, another thing I will advise you to abstain is paraphrasing, it's also not an ideal way, when you see an article online, read and digest them, then in your own words, try and make post in explaining what you have to contribute concerning the article, then additionally, you can quote a small part of the article with reference link to it and you're free.

If you register with an IP that is blacklisted on the forum, your account is automatically blocked and you are awarded evil points. In order to unblock your account you need to make a contribution in bitcoins, which is indicated on the contribution page. Then you will unlock your account. The alternative to this is to add your account to the forum whitelist. You can contact forum users who have the ability to add forum users to the whitelist. For example, LoyceV.



Even if you present some news in your own words, it is still better to indicate the source of the news in order for other users to understand what we are talking about. If you rewrite the news, a link to the source is mandatory. There are many cases of banning for rewriting without citing the source.

The account you created before and you were not allowed to post was a result of the IP address from the location you were when you created the account being blacklisted and marked for evil. You did nothing wrong; it's just how the system has been built to detect and blacklist a few IPs that have violated the forum rules before.
 
You need to always give credit to whatever source you get your information from. Even if you read about a particular thing and choose to share it with the forum, you are still required to add a source link to the information. If you don't add a reference link, the text could be considered paraphrasing, which is not far from plagiarism, so always give credit to the original creator.
 
There is no harm in asking questions; if you see something you don't understand in the forum, feel free to ask a question either under the thread in which you are confused or you can create your own thread asking your questions, but I will advise you to learn how to make use of the forum search button; it will help you get answers to some questions that have already been asked and answered in the past.
 
Welcome to the forum.

You do not need to rephrase or paraphrase what you copied from another site. If you rephrase it, it would be known and it would be seen as plagiarism. It is even plagiarism. If you want to copy from another site, it is better you include the link at the beginning or the end of your post.

Firstly, I’ve created an account before and was restricted from making posts without knowing what the offence was. At same time, was asked to pay for something i literally know nothing about .

I just created this new account and finally I can make posts, but in regards to this there are certain things I still don’t understand and would likely need direction and answers to questions.

One of the questions is concerning copying and pasting from a browser, new sites, social media or any source. Though, I’ve read through the rules and seen that copy paste isn’t allowed, the question now is what if one is to read through the information provided by any of the above mentioned  and in such formulate your wordings, will there still be need to reference the link from which the information was gotten?

As a newbie I would also like to know if asking questions back to back based on the fact that I haven’t known all yet, wouldn’t cause a penalty of restriction from the forum or a closed account entirely .