Topic: Asking to Record your palm print to withdraw Bitcoin - Vote - page 2. (Read 4876 times)

Maybe you don't travel very much or maybe you're a US Citizen but before I'm allowed to board a vessel headed for the United States I'm required to have an 'ESTA':

https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/

If granted, this visa, or more properly, visa waiver program, allows me to board a vessel and enter the United States. Now without putting too fine a point on it, it's run by the Department of Homeland Security who have overarching access to all US agencies information and if you apply for an ESTA, what do you think the DHS does?- check my name, my nationality, my height, the colour of my eyes, my skin colour, my weight?

No, that 'identity' information is just the first stage of the checking process. The US already had all that 'checking identity' capacity in the Customs and Border Protection department. The DHS was formulated to link every piece of information known about a person, not just identity. Part of the rationale given for the creation of the DHS was to 'fill the gaps between the various existing agencies'. Recall that the identities of the 9/11 bombers were known to US authorities before the attacks, it is other information that is required to make a full security assessment on someone, not just their identity. The passport, the SSN, the tax file number, etc are all ways for central governments to link non-identity information to a person's identity.

And no, I'm not paranoid at all. I'm quite comfortable providing details to governments to increase my personal security when I travel and, even when I'm at home for that matter. Just don't kid yourself that a passport is only about identity information and knowing who is crossing which borders; it's knowing who they are and knowing as much as possible about them to determine if that individual represents any type of threat and every piece of information that is available is linked to central identity documents like passports.

If it wasn't, how would a security determination be made? - "Yep, he's still the same guy, six foot tall, brown hair and has the same fingerprints". Doesn't tell you much, does it?

 

No.

It's called desensitizing the sheep.

And look, the sheep are already ok with it.

Time for phase II:  full biometric implementation. 

This is different though as they are using those scans to identify you with your identity (your passport details). If the ATM is using a palmscan to just ensure different users are using it, it's a completely different thing. Is it not possible everyone is just being paranoid about this?

If I gave you a palm scan and no other details, and told you whoever owned this palmscan bought a small amount of BTC what use is that info to you? If the user really cares about further privacy they could trade it for some LTC then back to BTC before spending it on a few beers. I'm sure this scenario is top priority for the government to track. They'd either have banned the ATMs or required photo ID if they really gave a crap no?

It's even more curious how the masses still regurgitate things like:  Bitcoin is decentralized and totally ANONYMOUS. 

Hahahahhaaaa.  That's laughable.  My government fiat is already more anonymous than Bitcoin and any other digital coin out there with a permanent blockchain record and my IP address along with it.

Cash, silver and gold will ALWAYS be more anonymous than any digital money.  It's sad how people really can't see that.  Mass psychology, herd mentality:  repeat something enough times and the masses will believe it.  Roger Ver Sounds like a trained puppet reading a script everytime he opens his mouth. 

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I go through the ol' fingerprint and retina scan routine when I enter the United States. While it's one thing to provide that sort of data to a government, not even a bank needs this data and a palm print to open a bitcoin account is just ridiculous. Not to mention there are loads of bitcoin sellers where you can just deposit fiat over the counter at a bank and be credited bitcoins by a third party into a wallet. Sure, you're on the bank security camera, but no-one has taken a palm print.

It's curious how we still believe 'privacy' is something that is possible in 'the digital age'.

 

You put way too much faith in mankind and human nature which always leans left towards evil, power and corruption. When there's no cold wars they'll just turn on oppressing their own people, that's the nature of all governments as they get bigger and more powerful which is the phase we are now in.

You're probably agnostic so I'm not sure how to convince you of what seems like a certainty to me.  I guess you'll see it for yourself in the coming 24 months.  I seriously doubt it will take longer than that as the dollar, yen, and euro cannot go much longer than 2 more years.

And look, a new digital currency which everyone loves popped up on the scene, and anonymously too, right on time.  lol...

who did you ask ?

I'd like to know myself, as the machine is connected to the net, it would have to be .

another point , are the users informed of your questions either way ?

the other point of course, is there a camera on the machine?

with technology its easy to match a face to a person, then effectively the print to the person.

- where is the print stored? who gets it ? - who owns the company ? do they use it ? - later on am i going to grab a handle somewhere to hear a Google voice say:

" hi xxxx how are you ..., nice weather isn't it ? , have you heard about xxxx we think based on your many profiles , you will looove xxxxx. "

as much as that would be cool and interesting , some people are just not ready for it . ..

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Google, Facebook etc is a bit different as they actually have a large profile of information about people, it wasn't so surprising to me that NSA tried to tap into that. Still no answer to my question as to whether the palm print is linked to any personal data about you, can they even tell who you are from it? or if it stored longterm/transmitted from the machine at all.

That and/or go on general strike/ boycott.

The Occupy Movement should have been the of the boycott variety...

I knew a guy that had a third arm that extended from his thorax , but im pretty sure it was already on record ...

Re Vlad <  I love this guy !

Seriously but Vlad , all these agencies , do you really believe they are that nefarious?

I mean at a point , after all these old cold war guys leave ....

Will not  humanity pause and say ...

 " wait, what are we doing here ? "

" who are we fighting ?"

" if we are making our own enemies up to start wars that dont benifit anyone , why are we doing it ?"

The war is over Vlad , Russia isn't the enemy,  and neither is China because the world became more complex.

No one can achieve a first strike and even if they could it doesn't make any sense anymore.

I think you will find all this commotion in relation to " spying" and these agencies is related to the cultural shifts taking place with regard to the way information  impacts humans under different circumstances,  its not nefarious and its not a conspiracy,  it just is what it is.

This peice of junk here,  is probably just that , or its an age old job of discrediting Cryptocurrency,  either way it has little impact its only even discussed here because I made such a big deal about it.