Topic: Astana used stolen cedit cards? Maged can you back this up? - page 2. (Read 4331 times)

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And you'll get much further in troubles with sugar...than your foul mouthed public rants..

You never had a username as descriptive of your person as this one...

You really are so_stupid!

Oh come on. I said I'm not looking for money. If I was I wouldn't be on here. & you know what happened was some fucking dirty shit. Even you know I'm right to feel agrieved.


Want to bet on that. I was accused of using stolen credit cards, just look what that lying rat fucking snitch said he did to me/was going to do. I haven't even mentioned his name but I really don't even think about him 1 second longer anymore.


Bullshit. YOU and the rest of the MOB decided to do me in. Nothing would of changed that. the logs,pastbins that were posted were IGNORED. gigavps said he saw the evidence i used stolen credit cards, what the fuck is that but not a full blown lie.ARGGGGGGGHHH & Maged retracted because he knew he lied and is worried i'll come after him.

All I want is to clear my name. I'm not here to convince you i'm a nice guy and not hot headed.

This kind of nonsense is why you were banned. I don't care whether you're a scammer.

I think this is that attitude that made people 'snitched on you'. Seriously, if you tried to sue based on what they said about you, you'll get counter-claimed till no end as you have made even more derogatory comments with them.   

Keep dreamin'. You might've been wronged, but what about you did back then what you're doing now? It would've saved you from all the insults.

Apologies? OK. I apologise to myself for almost thinking Astana wasn't an asshole anymore. It turns out he still is...

Now send those lawyers. Need my address and full name?

Oh good you saved yourself for the moment i'll decide on you later. But not so fast. Those who snitched on me, who are hacking me i.e you absolute fucking  cowards & dogs are not forgiven. louscalet, gigavps, jackrabbit, & psy I want you to write full apoligies in a thread. Or I pull the trigger. 40 lawyers just licked their lips. Don't worry it's not about money, I could give two shits about money now. But what happened was dirty and downright disgusting.

End thread? 

Great! That matches what I have. In that case, I retract my statement about you using a stolen credit card.

ok

I still can't spell for shit. But the truth will set you free.

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You can't defend this shit. Stolen credit cards? Please... just FYI I had to do a charge back with my bank because he canceled the paypal refund with his bank.

You can't defend the hacking's, yes I was targeted and still am. The slander, the character assassination that went on.

So does this means that astana did not use stolen cards?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just want to make sure i understand clearly.

Do you remember how I was the only person demanding evidence from shakaru in the old thread? How about how I constantly sided with astana until I had direct evidence otherwise? I went into that thread completely ignoring shakaru's past reputation. Turns out, that was well-justified. As a result, nothing I said previously changes now that we know what we do about shakaru.

Why do you think I didn't have him banned instantly, even though I easily could have? Why do you think he still doesn't have a scammer tag?

Astana is not a scammer.

Ya think? What was the very first statement I made about the matter? My ruling hasn't changed to this day.

Absolutely. I am most definitely interested in new evidence.

Astana, to answer your question about the evidence, it's a few posts below the one you quoted. I don't feel like repeating myself.

If someone tried to scam me out of $2k and called me a scammer when I was the one being scammed I would be hot headed also... 

OTOH, Astana is hot headed most of the time when people he does business with don't roll over when he asks them to.

I meant more in terms of determining things about shakaru by re-examining how the astana business went down, in light of what we know now about shakaru. I found it a lot easier to side with shakaru before it turned out he owed >8500 btc to half the community and was avoiding questions about the whole deal until recently. You can only get screwed/scammed so much before one starts wondering if there's an underlying cause.

I have no doubt that astana is hot-headed and is making himself no friends by posting so desperately on this thread. However, if we can look past the confrontational attitude and distorted view of how things work around here, I think there could be some interesting information to be gathered. If he really was a scammer that scammed shakaru out of loads of money, what would be the advantage in creating a new account and then linking it to his old identity? He can scam way more people by not picking up the shit reputation he'd already developed.

The way I see it (and from what he said on IRC between fights with random people), he's hot-headed and even admits to being a bit crazy. But I don't think it's entirely unlikely that there was a massive misunderstanding (to put it diplomatically) that led to the astana/shakaru fiasco we all know so well at this point. Astana has nothing to gain, as a scammer, by trying to clear his name, at this point. Even if he could somehow prove shakaru to be 100% in the wrong, he'd still have a shit reputation around here for being hot-headed. On the other hand, his obvious impulsiveness also means that he's less likely to be plotting devious and nefarious deals to scam more people, and if this was just a ploy to "get back" at shakaru, it isn't working very well, given his current approach.

So as I said, I think we should give him a chance to explain his side of what happened, and do our best not to call him a thief, scammer, or whatever else people seem to enjoy calling him to set him off here and on IRC. The benefit of doing this is that, assuming he's not lying, the whole debacle would have been extremely unpleasant for him, so it's just a nice thing to do. But even for purely utilitarian reasons, he does have potentially interesting information on shakaru, which is important now that so many people are starting to doubt his actions were in good faith. So if you want to view not pissing astana off (given his obvious uncontrollable temper) as a way to step through the threats/cockiness and get to the interesting stuff, you can also do that.

Either way, I think there's something to be learned here. I know that several people on IRC have mentioned re-examining the astana/shakaru deal over the past few months, so it could be helpful to finally get as much as possible from the other side of the story.

Where is the evidence? Madged you there?