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Topic: At what price point people will stop mining? - page 4. (Read 2191 times)

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oh very hard question, some miner believe to tomorow days and can mine in non profitable points when electricity cost higher then income
The thing that is idiotic - why would you spend $5 of electricity mining to effectively buy $3 of coin everyday with a mining rig.  Stop the miner and spend the $5 to buy $5 of coin on an exchange.

Because you've already invested money in hardware and don't want to sell it at a loss.  Why not do both?  Not having all of your eggs in one basket is nice.
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I am continuing because I hope history will repeat itself. Last year the price of a bitcoin in August was 3000 bitcoin and the mining rewards were really low but from end of September up to December the price of a bitcoin spiked up to the 20000 bitcoin point and everybody was happy.

I am only still mining hoping that history will repeat itself but this time from 6500 dollars which actually is a bitcoin , I hope it goes up to 45000 dollars for a bitcoin.

Everyone knows btc will go up with time.
Question is why miners are so stupid to mine in negative and wear down hardware ? Difficulty slows down in bear marker but still increases.

Cash can bring in more coin and also raise up your  average cost basis for trading to pay less taxes, even help to recover faster from bear market if more people buy in directly

Because difficulty will only to increase.  You might be able to mine 2 coins with your hashing power today, but six months from now, it could be reduced to 1 coin with the same hashing power.  If you look at the late 2017 mining craze, you can see that those high daily profits didn't last long.  Your hardware is also going to decrease in value over time.  I think that if you're going to shut down mining rigs, because you're operating at a loss, the hardware needs to be sold off.

The answer is different for everyone depending on electricity cost, if the hardware has already paid for itself, if you actually believe that the price of the coin you're mining today will increase in value in the future.
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For the past few months it was agreed that Obelisk SC1 had completely missed the mark after BMs realease of the A3.

Ive been following the Obelisk forums and the Dev team recently announced that they intend to fork SC to invalidate 3rd party miners on the network and help compensate Obelisk investors for the late shipping date.

If the SC1 is all of sudden the only hardware that can mine Siacoin then it will probably be one of the most valuable miners on market until competitors find a way to catch up.

Ive decided to pull the trigger on a few SC1s and well see how the next few weeks shake out. Happy mining!
newbie
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-privacy (if you're mining your own blocks they are harder to trace)
That's the point Smiley When you don't have any "cash in" transactions to centralized exchanges which usually want documents from you then you can easy cash out money without your name too.

Cashing out without name is difficult. Gota use localbitcoin and do all that leg work. As a miner probably best to go by the book, maximize your equipment deduction.
In my country there are companies what work like currency exchanges, they take your btc without any names for cash.
full member
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-privacy (if you're mining your own blocks they are harder to trace)
That's the point Smiley When you don't have any "cash in" transactions to centralized exchanges which usually want documents from you then you can easy cash out money without your name too.

Cashing out without name is difficult. Gota use localbitcoin and do all that leg work. As a miner probably best to go by the book, maximize your equipment deduction.
newbie
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-privacy (if you're mining your own blocks they are harder to trace)
That's the point Smiley When you don't have any "cash in" transactions to centralized exchanges which usually want documents from you then you can easy cash out money without your name too.
DrG
legendary
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oh very hard question, some miner believe to tomorow days and can mine in non profitable points when electricity cost higher then income

Tomorrow days? You mean a brighter future? Yeah that's fine, I think most crypto enthusiasts do expect a resurgence.

The thing that is idiotic - why would you spend $5 of electricity mining to effectively buy $3 of coin everyday with a mining rig.  Stop the miner and spend the $5 to buy $5 of coin on an exchange.

The only reason to mine at a loss are:
-lack of access to exchange
-privacy (if you're mining your own blocks they are harder to trace)
-support the network through decentralization
full member
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oh very hard question, some miner believe to tomorow days and can mine in non profitable points when electricity cost higher then income
full member
Activity: 846
Merit: 115
I am continuing because I hope history will repeat itself. Last year the price of a bitcoin in August was 3000 bitcoin and the mining rewards were really low but from end of September up to December the price of a bitcoin spiked up to the 20000 bitcoin point and everybody was happy.

I am only still mining hoping that history will repeat itself but this time from 6500 dollars which actually is a bitcoin , I hope it goes up to 45000 dollars for a bitcoin.

Everyone knows btc will go up with time.
Question is why miners are so stupid to mine in negative and wear down hardware ? Difficulty slows down in bear marker but still increases.

Cash can bring in more coin and also raise up your  average cost basis for trading to pay less taxes, even help to recover faster from bear market if more people buy in directly
legendary
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I am continuing because I hope history will repeat itself. Last year the price of a bitcoin in August was 3000 bitcoin and the mining rewards were really low but from end of September up to December the price of a bitcoin spiked up to the 20000 bitcoin point and everybody was happy.

I am only still mining hoping that history will repeat itself but this time from 6500 dollars which actually is a bitcoin , I hope it goes up to 45000 dollars for a bitcoin.
hero member
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I went through the BTC crash in 2011, through the altcoin crash of 2014. This cycle will likely be shorter due to 100x increase in the number of participants but I don't see the downtrend reversing until well into 2019.

For people mining at a fiat loss - I just shake my head. Either these people have no access to exchanges (which seems almost impossible in this day and age) or they're just plain stupid. I would guess the later looking at ETH difficulty still hanging up there  Grin

In retrospect, it feels good knowing I told so many people to toss their cards earlier this year for fiat. Now they can just sit back and pick up whatever crypto they want at anywhere from 30 to 99% percent less without having to have dealt with heat and noise for 8 months lol.

You can make money in this downturn, provided you planned well when people went full on stupid during the run-up.

Eww, did I just agree with Metroid lol
We would really like to blame but people do have different mindsets when it comes to the reason why they didnt stop mining since the starting month of this year and maybe
for some miners they do already accept such advice or do made on their own decision. Comparing buying altcoins on cheaper price to mining wayback on 8 months time i do really see the difference
and you will able to know which one is worth it.
full member
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Already stop mining since beginning of summer. Not worth the extra heat.

If your electricity price is over $0.15/kWh, it is better to leave the miners idle.
hero member
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A lot of coins are supported just with "home" miners power and that`s why this business will never end. Cryptocurrency idea from the start was about "mining" with your processor or GPU, so if the home mining will stop then whole idea of decentralized money may crash.
newbie
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Only doing BTG atm, ETH and ETC barely break even at this price.
sr. member
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Already stop mining since beginning of summer. Not worth the extra heat.
newbie
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if you look at the fact that people don't always understand what you are doing, maybe not the price of production of a thing))) joke
copper member
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I am not sure since I never mined any coin yet however isn't it works like this - when more people are mining the difficulty is higher when less people the difficulty is lower.

So it will have to hit like maybe $50 to get a large difficulty drop and maybe it would stablize a few weeks afterwards.
How much is the current realistic average mining cost for ETH now?
full member
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Just look at Siacoin. Difficulty is not dropping despite losing $2-3/day net. I think plenty of people (myself included) would be more than willing to mine at a loss gambling that the price will go back up... Remember, it's not a loss until you sell.

SIA is on ASICs now, so it's not example.
https://obelisk.tech/

Also SIA has infinite volume (there is no coin cap), so it is completely based on potential usability, not scarcity.

The same could be said about ETH (and not to split hairs but its infinite supply, not volume haha).  ETH though is different though in the fact that it can have many different uses.  The big problem I see with SIA is that its price is really going to be tied to the price of file hosting in the cloud, and the supply of storage space in the SIA network.  What you have to ask yourself is, do you think the price of storage will get lower as time goes on?  Can a decentralized group provide bandwidth and storage at a 1/10th of the price of Amazon (who has a massive economy of scale)?  Don't get me wrong, I think SIA is a good idea and it will fill some sort of space.  What I fail to see though is anything that will continue to drive the price upward.  It almost feels like buying and holding tokens at an arcade in hopes that somehow they will be more valuable.
sr. member
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I understand it depends on electricity cost and other "future value" thinking but at what price point of ETH, people plan to stop rig?

I'll stop and sell my rig when 1) the net profit earned is not enough to pay for the entire rig within 1 year and 2) the value of my mined coin has slim of chance of ever rising within 1 year. When these 2 conditions are met, it makes more sense to just hardware now because depreciating costs, risks of hardware failure, and risk of market crash clearly outweigh the opportunity. At this point, selling the rig entirely would generate more revenue.
hero member
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I understand it depends on electricity cost and other "future value" thinking but at what price point of ETH, people plan to stop rig?
If ETH will be PoS that will make people stop of mining it.

Mining in negative = same as burning  cash on fire. Don't go full retard and mine in the negative. Your only wearing down your equipment lifespan and lighting your cash on fire.

Just turn off machine till next bull run. Or borrow 401k to buy solar or something if you love mining that much.
Solar only applies for those dedicated miners considering the area of their farm.
If their location isn't so good, it won't be worth it.
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