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December 26, 2013, 05:07:50 PM
#26
So some asian dude invests in a Bitcoin related company.

He did not invest in bitcoin

So he's just doing what we are all doing. Using Bitcoin for fiat profits. Don't delude yourself at this moment with "bitcoin is the next money coming this year". No. It's all speculation and FIAT profits.
Are you for real? Investing in BitPay IS investing in Bitcoins! Anything else is just absolute nonsense. Furthermore he's not "some asian dude", this is almost the equivalent of Bill Gates or Warren Buffet getting involved, and as I said he would never do it if the Chinese where to ban Bitcoins. This most likely not only means that China will be back on track soon, but serious investors are now openly in the game. Do you think Wall Street will stand idly by as Asias richest man moves into what could become a new global currency, or do you think that they will want a piece of the action?


Since when is investing in a US based company the same as buying Bitcoins?

No matter how much you are uber-bull and want to spin this, this is not an investment in Bitcoin. It's an investment in a US based company.
I'm not sure if you're trolling me but I'll bite... BitPay is a company based in the US but looking to become a global player in the Bitcoins market. There is nothing stopping Bitpay from accepting local currencies, and therefore it wouldn't be very difficult to start using BitPay in China tied to RMB instead of USD.
I'll give you an example on a larger scale. Apple is a US based company and someone investing in Apple is good for the computer industry as a whole, regardless of where Apple HQ is located. Got it? In the same way investing in BitPay is good for the Bitcoin market because it's a company involved with Bitcoins.

Someone like Ka-shing is not interested in just hoarding Bitcoins, he want's to build the infrastructure because that's where the money is. Ask yourself this, what would you rather own - a bunch of gold or Visa and Mastercard? The answer is obvious, it's much better to own VISA or Mastercard rather than a bunch of gold because then you make money consistently and not only when you sell what you have. That's what the smart investors are after - consistency, not pumping and dumping.

He probably has also invested in bitcoin directly, as many investors have, e.g. Richard Branson (another billionaire).

But that is not something which needs to be announced.

Bitpay grows if number of bitcoin transactions increase. If number of bitcoin transactions increase, it means bitcoin has become more popular. Bitcoin becoming more popular will mean price will increase.

That's pure speculation sucked right out of your thumb, and you have zero basis for that statement. You don't know what he has or doesn't have. You have the news article to go on, and that specifically says an investment in Bitpay. Not Bitcoin.

Also your inductive reasoning is not sound. The number of transactions conducted through Bitpay are not necessarily related to bitcoin price.
Well, he did admit to speculating so calling him out on it is kind of redundant..
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December 26, 2013, 05:06:38 PM
#25
He probably has also invested in bitcoin directly, as many investors have, e.g. Richard Branson (another billionaire).

But that is not something which needs to be announced.

Bitpay grows if number of bitcoin transactions increase. If number of bitcoin transactions increase, it means bitcoin has become more popular. Bitcoin becoming more popular will mean price will increase.

That's pure speculation sucked right out of your thumb, and you have zero basis for that statement. You don't know what he has or doesn't have. You have the news article to go on, and that specifically says an investment in Bitpay. Not Bitcoin.

Also your inductive reasoning is not sound. The number of transactions conducted through Bitpay are not necessarily related to bitcoin price.

The only "thick" one here is the guy who can't draw a relationship between increased bitcoin transactions and bitcoin exchange rate. There are only so many coins. If lots of people want them because bitpay makes paying with them easier THAN BITCOIN GOES UP you dense fool.

Volume=transactions=less volatile prices. Less volatile prices brings more new money to bitcoin, helping to make things even more stable. China explicitly banned banks and the like from investing due to volatility.

The stupid stick sure hit you hard.


Lol u mad bro. :/

I give up dude. But you're wrong
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December 26, 2013, 05:03:23 PM
#24
He probably has also invested in bitcoin directly, as many investors have, e.g. Richard Branson (another billionaire).

But that is not something which needs to be announced.

Bitpay grows if number of bitcoin transactions increase. If number of bitcoin transactions increase, it means bitcoin has become more popular. Bitcoin becoming more popular will mean price will increase.

That's pure speculation sucked right out of your thumb, and you have zero basis for that statement. You don't know what he has or doesn't have. You have the news article to go on, and that specifically says an investment in Bitpay. Not Bitcoin.

Also your inductive reasoning is not sound. The number of transactions conducted through Bitpay are not necessarily related to bitcoin price.

The only "thick" one here is the guy who can't draw a relationship between increased bitcoin transactions and bitcoin exchange rate. There are only so many coins. If lots of people want them because bitpay makes paying with them easier THAN BITCOIN GOES UP you dense fool.

Volume=transactions=less volatile prices. Less volatile prices brings more new money to bitcoin, helping to make things even more stable. China explicitly banned banks and the like from investing due to volatility.

The stupid stick sure hit you hard.


Lol u mad bro. :/
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December 26, 2013, 05:01:56 PM
#23
Gee whiz are you guys thick? Investors in Bitcoin will watch the price. Investors in Bitpay (a bitcoin related US based company) will look at the number of transactions conducted in Bitpay, the number of companies attached to Bitpay and their transaction volume.. Price is not a factor for Bitpay, the number of transactions is.

I'm not saying it's unrelated to bitcoin, I'm saying its not an investment in Bitcoin and therefore price won't change, and China Govt stance on Bitcoin will DEFINITELY not change because of it. Whoever said that must be on some good acid.

The only "thick" one here is the guy who can't draw a relationship between increased bitcoin transactions and bitcoin exchange rate. There are only so many coins. If lots of people want them because bitpay makes paying with them easier THAN BITCOIN GOES UP you dense fool.

Volume=transactions=less volatile prices. Less volatile prices brings more new money. China explicitly banned banks and the like from investing due to volatility.

The stupid stick sure hit you hard.



+1 but without the insults  Tongue
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December 26, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
#22
Everything can be priced in everything else. I would be silly to ignore that fact.
Not true! I price my cows in goats, never chickens!
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December 26, 2013, 05:00:57 PM
#21
Gee whiz are you guys thick? Investors in Bitcoin will watch the price. Investors in Bitpay (a bitcoin related US based company) will look at the number of transactions conducted in Bitpay, the number of companies attached to Bitpay and their transaction volume.. Price is not a factor for Bitpay, the number of transactions is.

I'm not saying it's unrelated to bitcoin, I'm saying its not an investment in Bitcoin and therefore price won't change, and China Govt stance on Bitcoin will DEFINITELY not change because of it. Whoever said that must be on some good acid.

The only "thick" one here is the guy who can't draw a relationship between increased bitcoin transactions and bitcoin exchange rate. There are only so many coins. If lots of people want them because bitpay makes paying with them easier THAN BITCOIN GOES UP you dense fool.

Volume=transactions=less volatile prices. Less volatile prices brings more new money to bitcoin, helping to make things even more stable. China explicitly banned banks and the like from investing due to volatility.

The stupid stick sure hit you hard.

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December 26, 2013, 04:59:20 PM
#20

Since when is investing in a US based company the same as buying Bitcoins?

No matter how much you are uber-bull and want to spin this, this is not an investment in Bitcoin. It's an investment in a US based company.

if bitcoin fails, bitpay won't exist.

It doesn't matter. The dude above me is trying to spin this to "China will definitely allow Bitcoin now". I cannot say it more clearly than this: the news message did not say anywhere that he bought or owns bitcoin.

If anything, this is sooner the proof of the opposite: China definitely is going to ban bitcoin and therefore Chinese investors need to look for other ways to invest in something Bitcoin related - namely a company that deals with bitcoin.


if bitcoin fails, bitpay won't exist.

How can it be any more obvious than this?

No matter how much you are uber-bear, there is no way to spin an investment in BITpay as unrelated at all to bitcoin.



Gee whiz are you guys thick? Investors in Bitcoin will watch the price. Investors in Bitpay (a bitcoin related US based company) will look at the number of transactions conducted in Bitpay, the number of companies attached to Bitpay and their transaction volume.. Price is not a factor for Bitpay, the number of transactions is.

I'm not saying it's unrelated to bitcoin, I'm saying its not an investment in Bitcoin and therefore price won't change, and China Govt stance on Bitcoin will DEFINITELY not change because of it. Whoever said that must be on some good acid.

He probably has also invested in bitcoin directly, as many investors have, e.g. Richard Branson (another billionaire).

But that is not something which needs to be announced.

Bitpay grows if number of bitcoin transactions increase. If number of bitcoin transactions increase, it means bitcoin has become more popular. Bitcoin becoming more popular will mean price will increase.
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December 26, 2013, 04:56:16 PM
#19
Furthermore, anyone remembers the 400k BTC that started moving a few days ago?

Nobody does; it was 130k.
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December 26, 2013, 04:52:46 PM
#18

Since when is investing in a US based company the same as buying Bitcoins?

No matter how much you are uber-bull and want to spin this, this is not an investment in Bitcoin. It's an investment in a US based company.

if bitcoin fails, bitpay won't exist.

It doesn't matter. The dude above me is trying to spin this to "China will definitely allow Bitcoin now". I cannot say it more clearly than this: the news message did not say anywhere that he bought or owns bitcoin.

If anything, this is sooner the proof of the opposite: China definitely is going to ban bitcoin and therefore Chinese investors need to look for other ways to invest in something Bitcoin related - namely a company that deals with bitcoin.


if bitcoin fails, bitpay won't exist.

How can it be any more obvious than this?

No matter how much you are uber-bear, there is no way to spin an investment in BITpay as unrelated at all to bitcoin.



Gee whiz are you guys thick? Investors in Bitcoin will watch the price. Investors in Bitpay (a bitcoin related US based company) will look at the number of transactions conducted in Bitpay, the number of companies attached to Bitpay and their transaction volume.. Price is not a factor for Bitpay, the number of transactions is.

I'm not saying it's unrelated to bitcoin, I'm saying its not an investment in Bitcoin and therefore price won't change, and China Govt stance on Bitcoin will DEFINITELY not change because of it. Whoever said that must be on some good acid.
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December 26, 2013, 04:52:19 PM
#17
if bitcoin fails, bitpay won't exist.

How can it be any more obvious than this?

No matter how much you are uber-bear, there is no way to spin an investment in BITpay as unrelated at all to bitcoin.

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December 26, 2013, 04:51:45 PM
#16
And if he really invested also in bitcoin, do you think he would tell anyone?

 Wink

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December 26, 2013, 04:49:15 PM
#15
So some asian dude invests in a Bitcoin related company.

He did not invest in bitcoin

So he's just doing what we are all doing. Using Bitcoin for fiat profits. Don't delude yourself at this moment with "bitcoin is the next money coming this year". No. It's all speculation and FIAT profits.
Are you for real? Investing in BitPay IS investing in Bitcoins! Anything else is just absolute nonsense. Furthermore he's not "some asian dude", this is almost the equivalent of Bill Gates or Warren Buffet getting involved, and as I said he would never do it if the Chinese where to ban Bitcoins. This most likely not only means that China will be back on track soon, but serious investors are now openly in the game. Do you think Wall Street will stand idly by as Asias richest man moves into what could become a new global currency, or do you think that they will want a piece of the action?


Since when is investing in a US based company the same as buying Bitcoins?

No matter how much you are uber-bull and want to spin this, this is not an investment in Bitcoin. It's an investment in a US based company.

if bitcoin fails, bitpay won't exist.
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December 26, 2013, 04:48:18 PM
#14
So some asian dude invests in a Bitcoin related company.

He did not invest in bitcoin

So he's just doing what we are all doing. Using Bitcoin for fiat profits. Don't delude yourself at this moment with "bitcoin is the next money coming this year". No. It's all speculation and FIAT profits.
Are you for real? Investing in BitPay IS investing in Bitcoins! Anything else is just absolute nonsense. Furthermore he's not "some asian dude", this is almost the equivalent of Bill Gates or Warren Buffet getting involved, and as I said he would never do it if the Chinese where to ban Bitcoins. This most likely not only means that China will be back on track soon, but serious investors are now openly in the game. Do you think Wall Street will stand idly by as Asias richest man moves into what could become a new global currency, or do you think that they will want a piece of the action?


Since when is investing in a US based company the same as buying Bitcoins?

No matter how much you are uber-bull and want to spin this, this is not an investment in Bitcoin. It's an investment in a US based company.
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December 26, 2013, 04:45:57 PM
#13
So some asian dude invests in a Bitcoin related company.

He did not invest in bitcoin

So he's just doing what we are all doing. Using Bitcoin for fiat profits. Don't delude yourself at this moment with "bitcoin is the next money coming this year". No. It's all speculation and FIAT profits.
Are you for real? Investing in BitPay IS investing in Bitcoins! Anything else is just absolute nonsense. Furthermore he's not "some asian dude", this is almost the equivalent of Bill Gates or Warren Buffet getting involved, and as I said he would never do it if the Chinese where to ban Bitcoins. This most likely not only means that China will be back on track soon, but serious investors are now openly in the game. Do you think Wall Street will stand idly by as Asias richest man moves into what could become a new global currency, or do you think that they will want a piece of the action?
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December 26, 2013, 04:41:53 PM
#12
So he's just doing what we are all doing. Using Bitcoin for fiat profits.

Whoops... I was hoping to decimate fiat entirely.

I'll have to rethink my strategy now... thanks.

Lol so you don't care about USD price at all then?

Everything can be priced in everything else. I would be silly to ignore that fact.

I've quickly skimmed your post history and all you do is get giddy over Bitcoin USD price in the Speculation forum.

If you're a bitcoin purist looking to annihilate FIAT, you'd not be here talking about "traps" and "profits". You'd not care about USD value AT ALL.
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December 26, 2013, 04:41:37 PM
#11
So some asian dude invests in a Bitcoin related company.

He did not invest in bitcoin

So he's just doing what we are all doing. Using Bitcoin for fiat profits. Don't delude yourself at this moment with "bitcoin is the next money coming this year". No. It's all speculation and FIAT profits.

What sort of nonsense is this?

His investment is only loosely related to bitcoin price.  He is investing in Bitpay, which is a company which derives value from merchants looking to sell the risk associated with accepting a volatile currency.  Bitpay will be successful so long as Bitcoin is liquid and volatile.  This investment has little correlation with a long position in BTC.

Bitpay allows people to easily spend and receive coins, something that in time could make bitcoin less volatile, enticing new money to get involved in bitcoin. You'd be dumb to think he doesn't hold some bitcoins and expects reasonable justified longer returns on them, none of this up 1000%, down 500%, up 200% in three weeks mess.

Or are you one of the few many that thinks bitcoin is for nothing but day trading and speculation?  
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December 26, 2013, 04:39:58 PM
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Also he has probably invested directly in bitcoin too, but that's not something worth announcing.
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December 26, 2013, 04:39:12 PM
#9
Horizons Ventures invested in BitPay, which is just Li Ka-shings Venture Capital firm.
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December 26, 2013, 04:38:31 PM
#8
So some asian dude invests in a Bitcoin related company.

He did not invest in bitcoin

So he's just doing what we are all doing. Using Bitcoin for fiat profits. Don't delude yourself at this moment with "bitcoin is the next money coming this year". No. It's all speculation and FIAT profits.

What sort of nonsense is this?

His investment is only loosely related to bitcoin price.  He is investing in Bitpay, which is a company which derives value from merchants looking to sell the risk associated with accepting a volatile currency.  Bitpay will be successful so long as Bitcoin is liquid and volatile.  This investment has little correlation with a long position in BTC.

Not true. Bitpay grows if bitcoin grows. If bitcoin users grow, bitcoin price goes up.
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December 26, 2013, 04:38:26 PM
#7
So he's just doing what we are all doing. Using Bitcoin for fiat profits.

Whoops... I was hoping to decimate fiat entirely.

I'll have to rethink my strategy now... thanks.

Lol so you don't care about USD price at all then?
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