Topic: [Auction] 2015 unreleased Kialara Labyrinth (Ruby edition) 07/20, 09/20, 11/20 (Read 1050 times)
April 07, 2018, 01:51:28 PM
Here is 09/20. Took her out for a photo before she goes into secure storage:
April 03, 2018, 12:39:58 PM
Yes, congrats to you greenplastic as well. Glad that there is a robust Kialara collectors community here. Cheers.
April 03, 2018, 12:02:34 PM
that's really great solution you got Kialara
congrats to both the winners
congrats to both the winners
April 03, 2018, 10:20:07 AM
Well....Thank you to Kialara & congrats to AdvocateOne as well. 
I was unsure myself, but I do appreciate Kialara coming through with an amicable solution for both.
Super excited here!
(Payment is on the way..)
I was unsure myself, but I do appreciate Kialara coming through with an amicable solution for both.
Super excited here!
(Payment is on the way..) April 03, 2018, 03:45:54 AM
Hellot, I agree with the ambiguity. And for the record, my last statement was simply how I interpreted the winner based on my understanding of how these auctions work. I was not declaring GP the winner. I offered AdvocateOne a bar I planned to hold onto for less than he bid, and am offering GP a discount on the 11 as well which I imagine he'll be happy with when he receives the PM.
In future auctions I will try to be more clear so there is no misunderstanding.
Hopefully this can serve as a lesson to others as well.
In future auctions I will try to be more clear so there is no misunderstanding.
Hopefully this can serve as a lesson to others as well.
April 03, 2018, 02:38:35 AM
Just wanted to let you all know that Kialara resolved this to my satisfaction.
April 03, 2018, 01:55:21 AM
GP bid 0.48 at 9:57:24 forum time.
My understanidng as to how auctions work here, is that bc GP’s bid was placed within the last 5 minutes, that the auction would end 5 minutes from this point - to 10:02:24 and then be over.
So looking at the bids, had nobody said anything, I would have understood it as GP having been the high bidder @ 0.48
In future auctions I will make this more clear. I pulled the rules from another auction and then added the ad infinitum part and other parts to try to make it more clear - next time I will add an example (i.e.) as well.
GP and AdvocateOne I am sending you each a PM now to sort this so hopefully everyone will be happy.
My understanidng as to how auctions work here, is that bc GP’s bid was placed within the last 5 minutes, that the auction would end 5 minutes from this point - to 10:02:24 and then be over.
So looking at the bids, had nobody said anything, I would have understood it as GP having been the high bidder @ 0.48
In future auctions I will make this more clear. I pulled the rules from another auction and then added the ad infinitum part and other parts to try to make it more clear - next time I will add an example (i.e.) as well.
GP and AdvocateOne I am sending you each a PM now to sort this so hopefully everyone will be happy.
You designated a time the auction ends but now it ends at GP's bid. That is confusing. Your wording is ambiguous enough to interpret it how you want but I recommend in the future you stick to the end time that you designate and time added is added after the time you designate as the end.
April 03, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
GP bid 0.48 at 9:57:24 forum time.
My understanidng as to how auctions work here, is that bc GP’s bid was placed within the last 5 minutes, that the auction would end 5 minutes from this point - to 10:02:24 and then be over.
So looking at the bids, had nobody said anything, I would have understood it as GP having been the high bidder @ 0.48
In future auctions I will make this more clear. I pulled the rules from another auction and then added the ad infinitum part and other parts to try to make it more clear - next time I will add an example (i.e.) as well.
GP and AdvocateOne I am sending you each a PM now to sort this so hopefully everyone will be happy.
My understanidng as to how auctions work here, is that bc GP’s bid was placed within the last 5 minutes, that the auction would end 5 minutes from this point - to 10:02:24 and then be over.
So looking at the bids, had nobody said anything, I would have understood it as GP having been the high bidder @ 0.48
In future auctions I will make this more clear. I pulled the rules from another auction and then added the ad infinitum part and other parts to try to make it more clear - next time I will add an example (i.e.) as well.
GP and AdvocateOne I am sending you each a PM now to sort this so hopefully everyone will be happy.
April 02, 2018, 08:10:15 PM
Alright, I guess I didn't read the OP and this one sounds a little different. But you still won.
So it looks like GP's bid within the last 5 minutes extended it 5 minutes and you bid within that 5 minute period. GP still took longer. Either way you interpret it AdvocateOne won.
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Sniping: No, any bid placed within the final 5 minutes of each auction will add an additional 5 minutes ad infinitum until no new, valid bid has been placed for 5 minutes.
So it looks like GP's bid within the last 5 minutes extended it 5 minutes and you bid within that 5 minute period. GP still took longer. Either way you interpret it AdvocateOne won.
April 02, 2018, 08:05:40 PM
If more than 5 minutes pass during the no sniping phase the last bid is the winner. More than 5 minutes passed between bids.
But that's not how the rule was worded.
I'm actually saying you won. You bid within the sniping period and then the next bid was more than 5 minutes which was too slow.
Oh, in that case, then I agree with you.
The whole point of the no sniping rule is so it doesn't come down to luck and who can get the last bid at the last second before it expires. Your bid was within the 5 minute no sniping period that is set up to allow the auction to play out and your bid extended it 5 more minutes. GP didn't respond to your bid fast enough so the 5 minutes expired and the auction ended.
I've participated in a few auctions around here.
April 02, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
If more than 5 minutes pass during the no sniping phase the last bid is the winner. More than 5 minutes passed between bids.
But that's not how the rule was worded.
I'm actually saying you won. You bid within the sniping period and then the next bid was more than 5 minutes which was too slow.
Oh, in that case, then I agree with you.
April 02, 2018, 07:55:26 PM
If more than 5 minutes pass during the no sniping phase the last bid is the winner. More than 5 minutes passed between bids.
But that's not how the rule was worded.
I'm actually saying you won. You bid within the sniping period and then the next bid was more than 5 minutes which was too slow.
April 02, 2018, 07:52:07 PM
If more than 5 minutes pass during the no sniping phase the last bid is the winner. More than 5 minutes passed between bids.
But that's not how the rule was worded.
April 02, 2018, 07:48:54 PM
If more than 5 minutes pass during the no sniping phase the last bid is the winner. More than 5 minutes passed between bids.
April 02, 2018, 07:30:22 PM
If the sniping rule said that any bid within the last 5 minutes adds an additional 5 minutes to the END of the auction then you would have won.
I believe that is the best interpretation (albeit my understanding is biased). If additional means in addition to, then it can only mean in addition to the END of the auction. Otherwise, it would have said that a *new* 5 minutes would start running from the time of the last bid.
April 02, 2018, 07:23:29 PM
I always interpret it as if there is a bid just before end time it extends the auction by 5minutes from the END time(in this case) but only for the first bid after, then it becomes a running 5minutes from the latest bid.
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I'm feeling a little ganged up on.
The language "will add an additional 5 minutes ad infinitum" suggests that multiple 5 minute increments may be added. So I don't think it means that just one is added.lol you are not being ganged up on. If the sniping rule said that any bid within the last 5 minutes adds an additional 5 minutes to the END of the auction then you would have won. but this particular one reads as though the 5 minutes is added to any bid received in the last 5 minutes of the auction(in this case I believe GP wins). Wording in sniping rules has to be very carefully read and a lot of times it does lead to these kinds of arguments. This is why these questions and clarifications should be asked about before the auction has ended.
April 02, 2018, 07:17:00 PM
The language on how the auction extends is a little vague there is a good case to be made AdvocateOne actually won. @Kialara decides. With only nine Ruby editions being auctioned this is the most rare Kialara AFAIK I went way over budget because of that.
April 02, 2018, 07:09:14 PM
I always interpret it as if there is a bid just before end time it extends the auction by 5minutes from the END time(in this case) but only for the first bid after, then it becomes a running 5minutes from the latest bid.
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I'm feeling a little ganged up on.
The language "will add an additional 5 minutes ad infinitum" suggests that multiple 5 minute increments may be added. So I don't think it means that just one is added. April 02, 2018, 06:58:13 PM
I always interpret it as if there is a bid just before end time it extends the auction by 5minutes from the END time(in this case) but only for the first bid after, then it becomes a running 5minutes from the latest bid.
edit- after re reading kialara's sniping rule it does read in a way that the auction does not have to end before the running 5 minutes begins, in this case I would say gp wins
edit- after re reading kialara's sniping rule it does read in a way that the auction does not have to end before the running 5 minutes begins, in this case I would say gp wins
April 02, 2018, 06:56:47 PM
I am looking at forum time on my screen and sure looks like greenplastic bid 11 @ 0.48 then AdvocateOne next bid 11 @ 0.49 over 6 minutes later. Whomever @Kialara says won well bought gentlemen.
I don't dispute your analysis on the time the bids were placed--that isn't at issue. What is at issue is the interpretation of "additional" five minutes. I think additional means in addition to. Again, I can entertain the other interpretation, but I sure as heck won't embrace it.
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