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Topic: Auction for Avalon Batch 2 Order #1545 - With escrow! (Read 2375 times)
100 btc
HOW MUCH FOR REAL 200 IS TOO HIGH!
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just checked the price 50 btc. 
This is a batch #2 order, not 3.
just checked the price 50 btc.
75 btc.
seems your postman has plenty of time 
I think he was interested too because the package was too light. The seller of course was seldomly stupid. Sent the smartphone in the original case so that everyone knew whats inside... Now i dont make experiences anymore with expensive items.
seems your postman has plenty of time
I once bought a smartphone... got an empty box... and was lucky enough that it was only empty. So i opened it in front of the postman and at the end i got a refund. Now, when i get expensive packages, i always make a video of opening it to have a proof.
I think the buyer should do the same. Thats a proof for his security. He shouldnt stop in between making it so that no one can claim that he took the machine out when the cam was out.
I think the buyer should do the same. Thats a proof for his security. He shouldnt stop in between making it so that no one can claim that he took the machine out when the cam was out.
Ok, John is available as escrow for my auction, here the rules:
1. Winner sends BTC to the escrow address.
2. When I get the Avalon, I'll confirms to escrow and winner, and I will take photos/videos of unopened package.
3. I will pack the entire box (Avalon inside original packaging) in a new shipping box, taking care to not break the original packaging.
4. I will send the Avalon to winner.
5. Winner confirms to escrow
6. Escrow releases BTC to me.
NOTE:
A) Winner pay 2% fee for escrow
B) I Will pay the ship cost
C) If Avalon arrives damaged, buyer gets benefit of insurance
D) If Avalon mines, but is damaged afterwards, buyer deals with Avalon directly
1. Winner sends BTC to the escrow address.
2. When I get the Avalon, I'll confirms to escrow and winner, and I will take photos/videos of unopened package.
3. I will pack the entire box (Avalon inside original packaging) in a new shipping box, taking care to not break the original packaging.
4. I will send the Avalon to winner.
5. Winner confirms to escrow
6. Escrow releases BTC to me.
NOTE:
A) Winner pay 2% fee for escrow
B) I Will pay the ship cost
C) If Avalon arrives damaged, buyer gets benefit of insurance
D) If Avalon mines, but is damaged afterwards, buyer deals with Avalon directly
What if the winner claims he got some stones? It could be that, after you took the photos, took the avalon out and put bricks into. Thats why i meant that you you should send someone personally there. That is taking a video from it. Non deniable proof. And the cost for that are easily covered i guess.
Would be safer for the buyer, that could bid than, and safe for you because you can proof that the machine reached.
Only my thoughts... good luck with the auction!
The C) clause covers that - an excerpt from a PM conversation with OP.
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Yes. Please take photos of the seal by Avalon and all evidence, and insure it for the amount - if it arrives empty at the buyer, he can claim insurance for with your evidence given. Please declare appropriately at the Post office for this. I understand many courier services will check the items to determine if you're shipping an empty box and claiming insurance.
Ok, John is available as escrow for my auction, here the rules:
1. Winner sends BTC to the escrow address.
2. When I get the Avalon, I'll confirms to escrow and winner, and I will take photos/videos of unopened package.
3. I will pack the entire box (Avalon inside original packaging) in a new shipping box, taking care to not break the original packaging.
4. I will send the Avalon to winner.
5. Winner confirms to escrow
6. Escrow releases BTC to me.
NOTE:
A) Winner pay 2% fee for escrow
B) I Will pay the ship cost
C) If Avalon arrives damaged, buyer gets benefit of insurance
D) If Avalon mines, but is damaged afterwards, buyer deals with Avalon directly
1. Winner sends BTC to the escrow address.
2. When I get the Avalon, I'll confirms to escrow and winner, and I will take photos/videos of unopened package.
3. I will pack the entire box (Avalon inside original packaging) in a new shipping box, taking care to not break the original packaging.
4. I will send the Avalon to winner.
5. Winner confirms to escrow
6. Escrow releases BTC to me.
NOTE:
A) Winner pay 2% fee for escrow
B) I Will pay the ship cost
C) If Avalon arrives damaged, buyer gets benefit of insurance
D) If Avalon mines, but is damaged afterwards, buyer deals with Avalon directly
What if the winner claims he got some stones? It could be that, after you took the photos, took the avalon out and put bricks into. Thats why i meant that you you should send someone personally there. That is taking a video from it. Non deniable proof. And the cost for that are easily covered i guess.
Would be safer for the buyer, that could bid than, and safe for you because you can proof that the machine reached.
Only my thoughts... good luck with the auction!
The C) clause covers that - an excerpt from a PM conversation with OP.
Quote
Yes. Please take photos of the seal by Avalon and all evidence, and insure it for the amount - if it arrives empty at the buyer, he can claim insurance for with your evidence given. Please declare appropriately at the Post office for this. I understand many courier services will check the items to determine if you're shipping an empty box and claiming insurance.
Ok, John is available as escrow for my auction, here the rules:
1. Winner sends BTC to the escrow address.
2. When I get the Avalon, I'll confirms to escrow and winner, and I will take photos/videos of unopened package.
3. I will pack the entire box (Avalon inside original packaging) in a new shipping box, taking care to not break the original packaging.
4. I will send the Avalon to winner.
5. Winner confirms to escrow
6. Escrow releases BTC to me.
NOTE:
A) Winner pay 2% fee for escrow
B) I Will pay the ship cost
C) If Avalon arrives damaged, buyer gets benefit of insurance
D) If Avalon mines, but is damaged afterwards, buyer deals with Avalon directly
1. Winner sends BTC to the escrow address.
2. When I get the Avalon, I'll confirms to escrow and winner, and I will take photos/videos of unopened package.
3. I will pack the entire box (Avalon inside original packaging) in a new shipping box, taking care to not break the original packaging.
4. I will send the Avalon to winner.
5. Winner confirms to escrow
6. Escrow releases BTC to me.
NOTE:
A) Winner pay 2% fee for escrow
B) I Will pay the ship cost
C) If Avalon arrives damaged, buyer gets benefit of insurance
D) If Avalon mines, but is damaged afterwards, buyer deals with Avalon directly
What if the winner claims he got some stones? It could be that, after you took the photos, took the avalon out and put bricks into. Thats why i meant that you you should send someone personally there. That is taking a video from it. Non deniable proof. And the cost for that are easily covered i guess.
Would be safer for the buyer, that could bid than, and safe for you because you can proof that the machine reached.
Only my thoughts... good luck with the auction!
Ok, John is available as escrow for my auction, here the rules:
1. Winner sends BTC to the escrow address.
2. When I get the Avalon, I'll confirms to escrow and winner, and I will take photos/videos of unopened package.
3. I will pack the entire box (Avalon inside original packaging) in a new shipping box, taking care to not break the original packaging.
4. I will send the Avalon to winner.
5. Winner confirms to escrow
6. Escrow releases BTC to me.
NOTE:
A) Winner pay 2% fee for escrow
B) I Will pay the ship cost
C) If Avalon arrives damaged, buyer gets benefit of insurance
D) If Avalon mines, but is damaged afterwards, buyer deals with Avalon directly
1. Winner sends BTC to the escrow address.
2. When I get the Avalon, I'll confirms to escrow and winner, and I will take photos/videos of unopened package.
3. I will pack the entire box (Avalon inside original packaging) in a new shipping box, taking care to not break the original packaging.
4. I will send the Avalon to winner.
5. Winner confirms to escrow
6. Escrow releases BTC to me.
NOTE:
A) Winner pay 2% fee for escrow
B) I Will pay the ship cost
C) If Avalon arrives damaged, buyer gets benefit of insurance
D) If Avalon mines, but is damaged afterwards, buyer deals with Avalon directly
Confirmed - please PM me when the auction is done. I will issue a complete contract including all details that will have to be agreed by both of you to prevent any issues afterwards. Happy bidding!
Ok, John is available as escrow for my auction, here the rules:
1. Winner sends BTC to the escrow address.
2. When I get the Avalon, I'll confirms to escrow and winner, and I will take photos/videos of unopened package.
3. I will pack the entire box (Avalon inside original packaging) in a new shipping box, taking care to not break the original packaging.
4. I will send the Avalon to winner.
5. Winner confirms to escrow
6. Escrow releases BTC to me.
NOTE:
A) Winner pay 2% fee for escrow
B) I Will pay the ship cost
C) If Avalon arrives damaged, buyer gets benefit of insurance
D) If Avalon mines, but is damaged afterwards, buyer deals with Avalon directly
1. Winner sends BTC to the escrow address.
2. When I get the Avalon, I'll confirms to escrow and winner, and I will take photos/videos of unopened package.
3. I will pack the entire box (Avalon inside original packaging) in a new shipping box, taking care to not break the original packaging.
4. I will send the Avalon to winner.
5. Winner confirms to escrow
6. Escrow releases BTC to me.
NOTE:
A) Winner pay 2% fee for escrow
B) I Will pay the ship cost
C) If Avalon arrives damaged, buyer gets benefit of insurance
D) If Avalon mines, but is damaged afterwards, buyer deals with Avalon directly
Yes, it's true. So much people trying to steal and more when it's a lot of money.
If i think about the price of those machines... its so much that you really could hire a person that delivers it personally. Make a contract to film everything and set it up at the buyer so that the buyer cant claim it wasnt delivered. I mean what would that cost compared to the earnings?
And to make the buyer feel better let the escrow keep the money until he gets the vote from buyer. If he claims somethings wrong you have a video to proof.
Sounds safe for me... next step find a buyer...
I just sent a PM to john asking for his escrow service, I'll let you know.
Replied with details in PM.
Yes, it's true. So much people trying to steal and more when it's a lot of money.
If i think about the price of those machines... its so much that you really could hire a person that delivers it personally. Make a contract to film everything and set it up at the buyer so that the buyer cant claim it wasnt delivered. I mean what would that cost compared to the earnings?
And to make the buyer feel better let the escrow keep the money until he gets the vote from buyer. If he claims somethings wrong you have a video to proof.
Sounds safe for me... next step find a buyer...
I just sent a PM to john asking for his escrow service, I'll let you know.
Yes, it's true. So much people trying to steal and more when it's a lot of money.
If i think about the price of those machines... its so much that you really could hire a person that delivers it personally. Make a contract to film everything and set it up at the buyer so that the buyer cant claim it wasnt delivered. I mean what would that cost compared to the earnings?
And to make the buyer feel better let the escrow keep the money until he gets the vote from buyer. If he claims somethings wrong you have a video to proof.
Sounds safe for me... next step find a buyer...
Yes, it's true. So much people trying to steal and more when it's a lot of money.
I dont see a good reason why no escrow is allowed. John is doing it even for free if one is greedy.
If you want to use an escrow, you will receive your unit later, since that i will have to ship the miner to the escrow that will reship it to you.
Also, I want to be able to sell these btc on the EUR market before the releasing of the founds, another point against using an escrow.
You send it directly to the buyer, not the escrow.
He probably means that the buyer could claim that he didnt receive the unit or that nothing was in the package or something of that kind. Those kind of problems let me keep away of those sellings where insecurities are laying in.
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