[AUCTION] Multi-lot 14x Casascius 2013 Gilt/Gilded 1BTC coins REDEEMED

10casproj

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Quote from: minerjones on June 04, 2023, 12:31:30 PM

Not sure what happened here but happy to help out if needed.

For bidding we had to send full list of lots. People like me tried to bid for 4 lots, but we could not send the message as each time we had to update the list for other lots, when me and others were able to send the message, the 5 minute limit was already hit.

In other hand you had users who do not followed the rule of putting full updated this list, they were sending just the updated lot for his bid.

And then you have geo, who did bids but next user did not updated list with his bids and we all continue with the wrong list. When 5 minute limit was hit geo claimed his bids.... very unethical . And now OP claims him as winner, when he probably is the one who less deserve.

Please minerjones contact OP and host this auction again.

bavicrypto

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Quote from: Garrett Burgwardt on June 04, 2023, 12:23:23 PM

Lot 2 InelasticSupply

Lot 13 jackbauercsgo

Lot 8 elianite

The rest won by Geosgaen0

It's ridiculous to call out winners after you change rules back and forward within a few minutes of auction ending. It's very frowned upon and TOTALLY incorrect. The only correct thing to do here is to redo the auction. I genuinly feel scammed and gave a negative feedback until this issue is resolved.

Garrett Burgwardt

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Quote from: minerjones on June 04, 2023, 12:31:30 PM

Not sure what happened here but happy to help out if needed.

A fantastic advertisement for why you should leave this shit to the pros, like yourself

minerjones

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Not sure what happened here but happy to help out if needed.

bitcoinbass

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Quote from: Garrett Burgwardt on June 04, 2023, 12:23:23 PM

Lot 2 InelasticSupply

Lot 13 jackbauercsgo

Lot 8 elianite

The rest won by Geosgaen0

Thanks for letting me know, This is just disgusting like honestly, I will make sure not to bid to any of your future lots.

I am agreeing with elianite but Geosgaen0??? Are you out of your mind?

I am very certain that these 3 bidders won : SSS-Trade , elianite , 10casproj then you go and give all the winning bids to Geo.

Bad move from your side.

Thanks

10casproj

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Quote from: Garrett Burgwardt on June 04, 2023, 12:23:23 PM

Lot 2 InelasticSupply

Lot 13 jackbauercsgo

Lot 8 elianite

The rest won by Geosgaen0

Garrett,

Geo did bids and next user did not put his bids. Then all other bidders we continued with the wrong list. Geo did not say anything until the 5min passed. You really are going to make him a winner after a such dirty and unethical trick?

10casproj

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Quote from: Garrett Burgwardt on June 04, 2023, 12:19:10 PM

I agree it was a huge CF. I really am sorry.

Winners have been contacted via PM, I may have another coin or two (if I can find them) in the future which I will auction via MJ instead, lesson learned.

Why no repeat?

You are selecting winners users like geo who were unethical and the list used by users did not contain his bids.

Garrett Burgwardt

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Merit: 256

Lot 2 InelasticSupply

Lot 13 jackbauercsgo

Lot 8 elianite

The rest won by Geosgaen0

bitcoinbass

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Merit: 2

Quote from: Garrett Burgwardt on June 04, 2023, 12:19:10 PM

I agree it was a huge CF. I really am sorry.

Winners have been contacted via PM, I may have another coin or two (if I can find them) in the future which I will auction via MJ instead, lesson learned.

Who were the winners?

Please do be transparent with everyone here.

Garrett Burgwardt

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I agree it was a huge CF. I really am sorry.

Winners have been contacted via PM, I may have another coin or two (if I can find them) in the future which I will auction via MJ instead, lesson learned.

jackbauercsgo

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Yeeesh this snowballed into a big mess lol

OP - recommendation for next time. Every so often as we approach the end, put an updated list of lots & current top bids. This would help to prevent the situation like what happened here. I think that’s what MJ typically does to steer the herd.

elianite

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The Cryptonumist

Quote from: bavicrypto on June 04, 2023, 12:09:07 PM

Quote from: 10casproj on June 04, 2023, 12:02:01 PM

Auction should be repeated, there is no other solution.

Quote from: SurfinPanda on June 04, 2023, 11:29:17 AM

I think this should be re-done. I stopped bidding waiting for clarification then the rule changed back again and I was out of time to figure out which lots were even still open at that point.

Quote from: elianite on June 04, 2023, 11:14:35 AM

Considering the complete changing of the rules after the auction close as per written rules and the resulting confusion, I would vote that the auction be cancelled and re-done tomorrow under clear rules so people can prepare.

Well, I agree. That's what major auction houses do as well, whenever something goes wrong in their auctions. It's the only fair way moving forward for everyone involved.
I think most serious participants in this auction would agree with this.
@OP perhaps try to reach out to Minerjones and ask if he'd be willing to redo a (shortened) auction for you?

I can confirm that I also stopped bidding, and was crazily refreshing for updates to bring clarity- had bids ready to go.

10casproj

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Quote from: bitcoinbass on June 04, 2023, 12:07:49 PM

Quote from: 10casproj on June 04, 2023, 12:02:01 PM

Auction should be repeated, there is no other solution.

I disagree, Winners that followed the rules should get their winning lots!

Bidders that didn't to be removed from the equation.

Then you get all your winners

Nobody followed rules here.

Geo sent bids and then said nothing when next user sent lower bids without putting his bids.

Other users updated his lot but not other lots, making next user bid wrong amount to another lot.

Other users were sending updated lists for all lots but without respecting the 5 minutes limit.

ONLY solution is repeat.

Suzuki Matt

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Wow, this is crazy. I wanted to bid but glad I didn't.

Idk if users know that there is people who will host these auctions for you for a small fee. Very professionally at that. On something like this, with so many coins. It would be worth it for a seller to sub it out to a host.

The fair thing to do is to just redo the whole thing or else there will be hard feelings. I know I would be bummed out.

Hope you guys get it worked out. Just my 2 Bits

bavicrypto

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Quote from: 10casproj on June 04, 2023, 12:02:01 PM

Auction should be repeated, there is no other solution.

Quote from: SurfinPanda on June 04, 2023, 11:29:17 AM

I think this should be re-done. I stopped bidding waiting for clarification then the rule changed back again and I was out of time to figure out which lots were even still open at that point.

Quote from: elianite on June 04, 2023, 11:14:35 AM

Considering the complete changing of the rules after the auction close as per written rules and the resulting confusion, I would vote that the auction be cancelled and re-done tomorrow under clear rules so people can prepare.

Well, I agree. That's what major auction houses do as well, whenever something goes wrong in their auctions. It's the only fair way moving forward for everyone involved.
I think most serious participants in this auction would agree with this.
@OP perhaps try to reach out to Minerjones and ask if he'd be willing to redo a (shortened) auction for you?

bitcoinbass

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Quote from: 10casproj on June 04, 2023, 12:02:01 PM

Auction should be repeated, there is no other solution.

I disagree, Winners that followed the rules should get their winning lots!

Bidders that didn't to be removed from the equation.

Then you get all your winners

SSS_Trader

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Highest bids no matter of time should be the winners. Also Garett said during the auction that any bid in any lot would increase the time. This is best solution for users like me that we were unable to send our bids due other users spamming the forum.

I do not understand the drama, highest bids win, end of story.

10casproj

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Auction should be repeated, there is no other solution.

SSS_Trader

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Quote from: Spokanistan51 on June 04, 2023, 11:51:31 AM

SSS, you can’t make up the rules after the fact. I disagree.

Quote from: SSS_Trader on June 04, 2023, 11:48:34 AM

Again, I followed the rule of putting full list, so each time I was clicking POST I was getting a red warning saying there are new posts. Then I was copying and trying again to post my bids. I followed this rule and I was relaxed about timing because if there were new bids means auction was still open. I spent more than 10 minutes trying to send my bids. Why my bids now are out of time? I just followed that rule... I think winners should be highest bids, no matter the time, considering forum was overload and people could not send bids like me.

You disagree what? I wanted to buy two coins and I was following the rule of putting full list. If I get the warning that there are new messages what I should do? click send my bid even I know list for other lots is not updated? By that way I would bring errors to the full auction. Instead I was responsible and I was updating the list again, I did that process almost 10 times to ensure my list contained all updated lots.

The 5 minutes limit should be refreshed for all lots each time there was a new list. If you do not do that then people can not bid properly as there is always another message from another lot and you can not send your message.

bavicrypto

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Quote from: elianite on June 04, 2023, 11:50:34 AM

Quote from: bitcoinbass on June 04, 2023, 11:46:50 AM

SSS-Trade , elianite , 10casproj are for sure winners and i really dont know about the rest.

Get MJ here to clear the situation.

I think anyone here would respect MJ's judgment as per rules as written, tho I don't think it would be fair to place that on him..

@OP, You were changing the rules mid auction, so nobody knew anymore which rules to follow, creating too much chaos and an unfair outcome for most participants.

Probably the easiest/ best/ fairest way for everyone involved is to just restart a 24h auction or so, and perhaps let mj host it, if he'd be willing to do that.
He has a lot of experience with these kinds of auctions and would definitely make it a smooth experience.

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