Topic: Aug 23 ETF Deadline... (Read 584 times)

This has been said on another topic. It looks like the ETF will not have the opportunity to continue. It seems the community is stirring about it. Investors should be cautious.

You just have to look at the first Winklevoss application last year, the price pump but when the news came out that it was rejected, the price plummet but look at where the price ended at 2017. Although you can argue that 2018 is really different, but I believed that it won't have a lasting effect on the price because investors will continue to purchase bitcoin with or without ETF approval.


Yes, exactly my point, it will just be another hype but once it died down nobody really care and we are all back in business as usual. Buy/sell/trade/cash-out. That's why I have mix emotions about this Bitcoin ETF suddenly taking the headlines again.

What rock? What fall....
Am I watching the wrong price ticker?
We're again at before August 22 level, that pump happened for no reason at all.


Exactly, it can be approved but if people avoid "investing" nothing will change.
It's the same as McDonalds accepting BTC, if nobody buys a menu with coins the whole thing is useless.

And on the other side, there are people who are remains hopeful for the remaining Bitcoin ETF proposals. It doesn't mean that this is the end of the world for the crypto market and have some flash back last year with the past proposals.
The only reason why people wanted to approve those proposals is they think institution money will come in to the economy.

^^ in the end it doesn't matter how many of these ETFs come and get rejected and go. it all depends on how people think about them and how hyped up they are about each of these. otherwise it can even be approved and nothing changes about the price if nobody cared about it. just like lots of positive news that we had in the past 8 months of drop and none of them could change the trend to rising.

I'm thinking back to March 2017, so long ago        Yes in percentage terms that was a big blip on the graph but it was only short term news.   It doesnt really matter because most of the people who even know about the ETF dont imagine it will sail through easily and the other half never thought it had a chance in any case.

So long ago this didnt matter compared to an overall trend and now what seems years later we are still dragging out the same news, repeated and just as unlikely to pass, now I dont see it having as much effect as people imagine.

While we stare at this news headline the actual story of the underlying market is going by unnoticed.   I dont know what that story is, maybe some government change maybe some new kind of usage for the blockchain.   Not sure but the real news is not this ETF, its only what people are speaking about most which is another dynamic.

There is the conscious change and the unconscious market drift that occurs while we look past it, then one day the ground has moved beneath us

this has happened at this time, the SEC rejected 9 bitcoin ETF applications. the market returns red and the price of bitcoin falls like a rock. it looks like things are getting worse.

Pieces of paper are what distinguish between legal and illegal, private property and public resources, signed contracts and empty promises.

Fractional reserve banking is the economic power base of many federal governments. Governments cannot afford a consumer-exodus away from fiat. This is why gold-backed currencies are swiftly and violently eradicated. Yet bitcoin is too decentralized to be destroyed with brute force. ETFs and licensed exchanges give government oversight over investors. They can allow law enforcement to freeze criminal assets, and auditors to track finances. There is more transparency, flexibility, and accountability than a trustee-held wallet. I believe that big banks want to corner the market and destabilize the price of bitcoin, in order to prevent a breakthrough from destabilizing the economy. Everyone is worried about inflation, and bankers know that hyperinflation can destroy a country. If banks cannot corner a market then they need to diversify their assets to protect the purchasing power of the fiat they issue. Owning bitcoin mitigates the risk of a bitcoin breakthrough, and at the same time allows bitcoin to be incorporated into the fractional reserve system as collateral, allowing governments and banks to maintain their leverage over the national economy. Hedge funds have more buying power than independent investors. A group of banks can 'issue' out much more fiat than they actually own, so their buying power is very, very high. In the short-term, this is good. In the long-term, it may lead to stifling regulation and increased volatility, because banks want a monopoly on merchant-transactions.

Edit: I believe some ETFs were already approved since February? Nasdaq NextGen Economy (BLCN) by Reality Shares, Transformational Data Sharing (BLOK) by Amplify, First Trust (LEGR), and for Canada there’s Harvest Portfolios (HBLK) and Evolve Funds Inc. (LINK). Who were they approved by?

well as you can see today, these "little dumps" are too little for regular investors to want to benefit from. they are only suitable for day traders who are too hungry for any small change that can give them a small profit. and so far the effects of ETF rejection is dwindling for good

Which ones are those?

As I understand it, these are locked funds. Once their structures are approved, they have a set number of shares to issue and supply won't change at all. After all, they need to track the spot market. Arbitrage is supposed to prevent any need to increase the underlying supply of the ETF. It's not supposed to be an isolated market.

But that's the rub. Arbitrage is supposed to decrease tracking risk, but it doesn't eliminate it. This is one of the legit reasons to deny Bitcoin ETFs. There are liquidity and tracking risks that are being ignored by applicants, and those have real implications for prospective investors.

Better focus on the price action after the announcement than the before impact so that you will know what your next move will be. News base trading is risky for me and I prefer to just trade base on technical analysis since it would give me an idea of when to buy and to sell. It may not work in my favor all the time but at least I know what's my next move will be wherever the price will go. Crypto market has so many trading opportunities because of its volatility.

even if you don't believe it, but the impact on bitcoin on ETFs is clearly a significant change in value. and I think everyone hopes that the real ETF will be approved.

At least 3 ETFs have been rejected and people still think that there is a chance. And yes, if it gets rejected(I believe it has already been) , it would have a negative impact, even though it shouldn't. Who is to convince the fucking dumbasses that an ETF is not related to bitcoin directly. Its just a piece of paper.

Worse part is, there's going to be a crash in midst of a current bearish run. Wonderful! 

Yep. I do not believe the ETF statements have much influence on the price.

There is a website you can go to and you put in your email and it alerts you of an ETF approval or denial.

Basically I think it came like 2-3 minutes too late and at 22:03 GMT the dumping already started.

However basically it would of not helped you because by the time you got the alert, and logged into your exchange to sell the price already dropped and since then has actually rallied.

Basically it makes it look like this ETF denial was nothing but a bear trap.

There are ETFs that hold bitcoins. More demand means they have to buy more of them to hold for customers. Those ETFs would have a direct effect on the market.

Why does everyone are into this ETF when it won't really affect the bitcoin's market price. If ever it will be approved the holder/company who has the ETF bitcoin will surely get the upperhand. Of course it will help citizens from the use who are not applicable to buy or invest on bitcoin will have the chance to get it as a stock but not as a currency like anybody does here.

Three applications dead in one stroke -  Direxion, Proshares, Graniteshares.

Only one of them was on its final deadline, the rest could've been extended. These were all futures based ETFs I believe. No great loss.

https://www.coindesk.com/ftc-issues-warning-on-bitcoin-blackmail-scams/

The wording is identical for each rejection. The Vaneck ETF does nothing to address the reason for rejection either.

I doubt that the ETF will be approved, just based on the countless others that have been rejected beforehand.

I don't think that the rejection will have much impact, if at all, in the market. The market has grown insensitive to ETF approvals in general, simply because there has been so many of them being rejected in the last year or so.

The last one didn't have any impact. And even though people thought that prices were going to tank after the ETF got rejected, it didn't. Obviously, if this one got approved, it would likely cause a rally within the market. But the prospects of that is slim, imo.

I'm getting so tired of all this ETF talk, all the hype and the fud as it's exactly China bans BTC all over.

Personally, I'm at the point where I don't give a damn anymore, just reject them all for good and schedule the next hearing in a century or approve them all so we can finally have some peace....until the next big thing comes up and we're going to get glued to the screens again....

I have no sell orders no buy orders and even if it goes up or down 10%-20% I'm planning on not giving a damn, just opening a beer and enjoying another closed chapter of this neverending saga.