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June 27, 2013, 02:27:27 AM
#18

No doubt Yifu et al. are sitting pretty though...


Yeah actual production cost of one chip is well below $8 per chip (current price)...


cost something like a $1 per chip They sold about 1 million chips at about $14 each  . He nows has 13 million in the bank

why would he want to get batch 3 out ? -- just give customer there money back - and start working on V2 asic  or have a holiday!


If you buy the current Avalon asic today you be lucky is you have a working product by xmas - by then the difficulty may be 250 to 500  million
because every body will have shipped product - (including BFL)- hence you need a better asic ie low power and at least  50 GH per asic ( not 300 MH)
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June 26, 2013, 06:35:51 PM
#17

No doubt Yifu et al. are sitting pretty though...


Yeah actual production cost of one chip is well below $8 per chip (current price)...
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June 26, 2013, 06:33:33 PM
#16
with kncminer having  100 GH asics on the on the way --- Avalon  need to upgrade to V2

kncminer does not have any asics last time I checked.

This and the higher price for the newer chips doesnt mean that the new tech is so superiour. The gh per $ isnt such a big difference.

Are you nuts? Avalon charges around $50 per gh bulk chip, KnC is potentially offering $17.50 per assembled gh!

Actually, if you do a group buy the going rate would be $35 for ~1gh.  Plus they can be overclocked to lessen the gap to knc..
Actually, avalon goes for around $30/ghs. Saturn is 3795$/200ghs wo vat e.g. $19/ghs per assambled unit.
But fact is that they dont have working asic yet and that many things can be off specs.

Avalon's chips are 282 Mh/s, BTC price was between 120 and 140 during bulk buys, plus shipping. I remember at the time to the UK it worked out to around $14 a chip. ($50 was wrong sorry, mental math)

I'm not including boards, heat sinks, power supply, casing, etc.

A complete Jupiter unit with revised specs comes to $17.50 per Gh fully assembled. These are reputedly minimum.

Both will have DIYers and nutty risk takers liquid cooling and maxing them out beyond stability. That will be fun to observe, but not participate in!

The big difference is the difficulty between the two investments.  Batch #1 chips should be arriving in the next few weeks.  The difficulty increase between those chips and sep/oct for knc may likely render knc's ROI to never.  That in my mind, makes the price difference well worth it.

28nm will profit long after 110nm, and that's without the amount of intermediaries involved in delivering chips, splitting chips, assembling chips, then delivering chips, especially as many of these intermediaries are relatively anonymous and producing untested products, such as 64 chip boards.

I hope it does work out for all, genuinely. I don't see this ASIC race as being profitable, as much as fun to part of, but I do fear some will have tears as they have saddled themselves with debt stupidly to play this game.

No doubt Yifu et al. are sitting pretty though, whatever the outcome, the stress has been worth it for BitSyncom...

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June 26, 2013, 06:31:53 PM
#15
KNC is a game changer for $/gh. No doubt about that if they ship on time.

Bitfury is the one to watch.  Could wipe the floor with KNC, with low cost miners.  PCBs already in production. Depends if flooding the market with chips in good time is his plan.

It's not healthy for Bitfury, or KnC to wipe the floor with eachother, or BFL, or Avalon, all need eachother, as does Bitcoin. Without competition none will survive for long.

Maybe, but it's an arms race, not a picnic.  I'm sure there are sufficient Avalon chips on pre-order to keep hashing power stable. But there will be winners for a while. But I doubt for long. ROI will drop like a stone for the more pricey investments.
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June 26, 2013, 06:29:23 PM
#14
with kncminer having  100 GH asics on the on the way --- Avalon  need to upgrade to V2

kncminer does not have any asics last time I checked.

This and the higher price for the newer chips doesnt mean that the new tech is so superiour. The gh per $ isnt such a big difference.

Are you nuts? Avalon charges around $50 per gh bulk chip, KnC is potentially offering $17.50 per assembled gh!

Actually, if you do a group buy the going rate would be $35 for ~1gh.  Plus they can be overclocked to lessen the gap to knc..
Actually, avalon goes for around $30/ghs. Saturn is 3795$/200ghs wo vat e.g. $19/ghs per assambled unit.
But fact is that they dont have working asic yet and that many things can be off specs.

Avalon's chips are 282 Mh/s, BTC price was between 120 and 140 during bulk buys, plus shipping. I remember at the time to the UK it worked out to around $14 a chip. ($50 was wrong sorry, mental math)

I'm not including boards, heat sinks, power supply, casing, etc.

A complete Jupiter unit with revised specs comes to $17.50 per Gh fully assembled. These are reputedly minimum.

Both will have DIYers and nutty risk takers liquid cooling and maxing them out beyond stability. That will be fun to observe, but not participate in!

The big difference is the difficulty between the two investments.  Batch #1 chips should be arriving in the next few weeks.  The difficulty increase between those chips and sep/oct for knc may likely render knc's ROI to never.  That in my mind, makes the price difference well worth it.
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June 26, 2013, 06:26:23 PM
#13
KNC is a game changer for $/gh. No doubt about that if they ship on time.

Bitfury is the one to watch.  Could wipe the floor with KNC, with low cost miners.  PCBs already in production. Depends if flooding the market with chips in good time is his plan.

It's not healthy for Bitfury, or KnC to wipe the floor with eachother, or BFL, or Avalon, all need eachother, as does Bitcoin. Without competition none will survive for long.
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June 26, 2013, 06:23:53 PM
#12
KNC is a game changer for $/gh. No doubt about that if they ship on time.

Bitfury is the one to watch.  Could wipe the floor with KNC, with low cost miners.  PCBs already in production. Depends if flooding the market with chips in good time is his plan.
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June 26, 2013, 06:21:42 PM
#11
with kncminer having  100 GH asics on the on the way --- Avalon  need to upgrade to V2

kncminer does not have any asics last time I checked.

This and the higher price for the newer chips doesnt mean that the new tech is so superiour. The gh per $ isnt such a big difference.

Are you nuts? Avalon charges around $50 per gh bulk chip, KnC is potentially offering $17.50 per assembled gh!

Actually, if you do a group buy the going rate would be $35 for ~1gh.  Plus they can be overclocked to lessen the gap to knc..
Actually, avalon goes for around $30/ghs. Saturn is 3795$/200ghs wo vat e.g. $19/ghs per assambled unit.
But fact is that they dont have working asic yet and that many things can be off specs.

Avalon's chips are 282 Mh/s, BTC price was between 120 and 140 during bulk buys, plus shipping. I remember at the time to the UK it worked out to around $14 a chip. ($50 was wrong sorry, mental math)

I'm not including boards, heat sinks, power supply, casing, etc.

A complete Jupiter unit with revised specs comes to $17.50 per Gh fully assembled. These are reputedly minimum.

Both will have DIYers and nutty risk takers liquid cooling and maxing them out beyond stability. That will be fun to observe, but not participate in!
sr. member
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June 26, 2013, 06:16:21 PM
#10
with kncminer having  100 GH asics on the on the way --- Avalon  need to upgrade to V2

kncminer does not have any asics last time I checked.

This and the higher price for the newer chips doesnt mean that the new tech is so superiour. The gh per $ isnt such a big difference.

Are you nuts? Avalon charges around $50 per gh bulk chip, KnC is potentially offering $17.50 per assembled gh!

Actually, if you do a group buy the going rate would be $35 for ~1gh.  Plus they can be overclocked to lessen the gap to knc..
Actually, avalon goes for around $30/ghs. Saturn is 3795$/200ghs wo vat e.g. $19/ghs per assambled unit.
But fact is that they dont have working asic yet and that many things can be off specs.
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June 26, 2013, 06:15:56 PM
#9
with kncminer having  100 GH asics on the on the way --- Avalon  need to upgrade to V2

kncminer does not have any asics last time I checked.

This and the higher price for the newer chips doesnt mean that the new tech is so superiour. The gh per $ isnt such a big difference.

Are you nuts? Avalon charges around $50 per gh bulk chip, KnC is potentially offering $17.50 per assembled gh!

Actually, if you do a group buy the going rate would be $35 for ~1gh.  Plus they can be overclocked to lessen the gap to knc..

Of course, and I'm honestly looking forward to what DIY talent exists. I think the cumulative DIY talent will trump most companies. I think it will save some companies as well!

To say there is a negligible difference was incorrect though.
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June 26, 2013, 06:08:41 PM
#8
with kncminer having  100 GH asics on the on the way --- Avalon  need to upgrade to V2

kncminer does not have any asics last time I checked.

This and the higher price for the newer chips doesnt mean that the new tech is so superiour. The gh per $ isnt such a big difference.

Are you nuts? Avalon charges around $50 per gh bulk chip, KnC is potentially offering $17.50 per assembled gh!

Actually, if you do a group buy the going rate would be $35 for ~1gh.  Plus they can be overclocked to lessen the gap to knc..
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June 26, 2013, 06:03:21 PM
#7
with kncminer having  100 GH asics on the on the way --- Avalon  need to upgrade to V2

kncminer does not have any asics last time I checked.

This and the higher price for the newer chips doesnt mean that the new tech is so superiour. The gh per $ isnt such a big difference.

Are you nuts? Avalon charges around $50 per gh bulk chip, KnC is potentially offering $17.50 per assembled gh!
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June 26, 2013, 05:47:31 PM
#6
with kncminer having  100 GH asics on the on the way --- Avalon  need to upgrade to V2

kncminer does not have any asics last time I checked.

This and the higher price for the newer chips doesnt mean that the new tech is so superiour. The gh per $ isnt such a big difference.
sr. member
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June 26, 2013, 05:10:51 PM
#5
with kncminer having  100 GH asics on the on the way --- Avalon  need to upgrade to V2
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June 26, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
#4
Cool, funny way to take the site down.

Well has the desired effect, stops people from purchasing, right? Wink
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June 26, 2013, 05:04:15 PM
#3
Cool, funny way to take the site down.
legendary
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June 26, 2013, 05:02:08 PM
#2
Avalon shop has some maintenance or so.

"We do however need to bring the site down within the next few hours to upgrade for trade-in orders. So if you are running into problems ordering chips and/or viewing orders please do not panic, we expect this update to finish by later tonight ( EST time. )"
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