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Topic: AVALON ASIC has delivered first RIG (68GH/s Confirmed) 2nd out proof (Read 39527 times)

mrb
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Set up eloipool with the difficulty set to some high value (eg. 64 with ShareTarget = 0x0000000003ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff). Mine with getwork, not getblocktemplate.

Dynamic targetting was used, which should in theory achieve same... maybe high+static is better.

Yes, maybe. I have never tested dynamic targeting.
legendary
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Set up eloipool with the difficulty set to some high value (eg. 64 with ShareTarget = 0x0000000003ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff). Mine with getwork, not getblocktemplate.

Dynamic targetting was used, which should in theory achieve same... maybe high+static is better.

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And make sure roll-n-time is functional. That setup should be able to handle hundreds of Ghash/s easily. That's what I use for my FPGA farm.

IIRC your pushpool and p2pool both hard-code the diff to 1. Isn't it why they can't keep up with the many getwork calls?

Multiple answers...

pushpool has several known inefficiencies... besides being single-threaded for database + network + rpc, it simply proxies every client getwork to bitcoind, with some rewriting.  bitcoind cannot keep up with that, once the miner load (historically difficulty 1.0) reaches a certain point, the whole system cannot keep up.

Pool ops either solve this by scaling up the number of bitcoind processes (machines), or run pool server software that supports some amount of internal work generation, easing bitcoind's load.

mrb
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Already tried and failed mining solo with: bitcoind, p2pool, eloipool.  And I know enough to know that my own pushpool, unmodified, cannot keep up either Smiley

Need to hack pushpool or use another proxy server that can keep up.

Set up eloipool with the difficulty set to some high value (eg. 64 with ShareTarget = 0x0000000003ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff). Mine with getwork, not getblocktemplate. And make sure roll-n-time is functional. That setup should be able to handle hundreds of Ghash/s easily. That's what I use for my FPGA farm.

IIRC your pushpool and p2pool both hard-code the diff to 1. Isn't it why they can't keep up with the many getwork calls?
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I would mine solo if I were you. A block solved every 2.5 days on average.

Already tried and failed mining solo with: bitcoind, p2pool, eloipool.  And I know enough to know that my own pushpool, unmodified, cannot keep up either Smiley

Need to hack pushpool or use another proxy server that can keep up.


I had good luck with http://poolserverj.org/ I put mysql on a SSD and it kept up with 30 gighash on a old core 2 1% cpu usage. Was fun to query the db to get the current speed.

SELECT (COUNT(id) * 4294967296)/3600/1000000 as mhash_60,count(id) as total_shares FROM shares WHERE shares.time >= DATE_SUB( NOW(), interval 60 minute) and our_result = true;


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Use a ridiculous amount of threads
legendary
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I would mine solo if I were you. A block solved every 2.5 days on average.

Already tried and failed mining solo with: bitcoind, p2pool, eloipool.  And I know enough to know that my own pushpool, unmodified, cannot keep up either Smiley

Need to hack pushpool or use another proxy server that can keep up.


Have you tried BitMinter?
legendary
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I would mine solo if I were you. A block solved every 2.5 days on average.

Already tried and failed mining solo with: bitcoind, p2pool, eloipool.  And I know enough to know that my own pushpool, unmodified, cannot keep up either Smiley

Need to hack pushpool or use another proxy server that can keep up.

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http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator says 68 GH/s is just over 10 BTC a day...

Sure, that's the predicted average.  Machine/miner reliability, bad luck, the pool's cut, costs related to pool hopping and other factors definitely impact income.  p2pool's income was something like 50% below predictions.


Wow, quite the toll on expected earnings!
mrb
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I would mine solo if I were you. A block solved every 2.5 days on average.
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http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator says 68 GH/s is just over 10 BTC a day...

Sure, that's the predicted average.  Machine/miner reliability, bad luck, the pool's cut, costs related to pool hopping and other factors definitely impact income.  p2pool's income was something like 50% below predictions.

legendary
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That device has already paid for itself.

Not yet.  Maybe another 1-2 days.

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Now he's making over $200 profit every single day.

Not true... I wish.


http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator says 68 GH/s is just over 10 BTC a day...
legendary
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That device has already paid for itself.

Not yet.  Maybe another 1-2 days.

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Now he's making over $200 profit every single day.

Not true... I wish.

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Runs 24 hrs straight no reboot or freezing for the most part this was an issue with the type of pool settings. See  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140539.160

24 hrs ? Cheesy nothing to be proud of imo.

That device has already paid for itself. Now he's making over $200 profit every single day. I'd be quite happy with that situation.

Agreed. What Avalon has accomplished in such a short time frame is amazing.
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Runs 24 hrs straight no reboot or freezing for the most part this was an issue with the type of pool settings. See  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140539.160

24 hrs ? Cheesy nothing to be proud of imo.

That device has already paid for itself. Now he's making over $200 profit every single day. I'd be quite happy with that situation.
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How long until Avalon is a scam again. A week or two without any more asic being delivered?
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BitMinter
Runs 24 hrs straight no reboot or freezing for the most part this was an issue with the type of pool settings. See  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140539.160

24 hrs ? Cheesy nothing to be proud of imo.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if they had some sort of production problem and are milking the CNY/customs excuses to give them time to fix it.

That, or they decided that rather than finalize all the wafers they would just finish metal on one and see how it turned out before committing all their wafers. Now that they know there's no issue, they have to get everything finished for the rest of the wafers.

Obviously that's just speculation and Avalon has (rather intentionally IMO) cultivated the idea that they won't give updates and products will just show up, so it's hard to say much at this point.
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Runs 24 hrs straight no reboot or freezing for the most part this was an issue with the type of pool settings. See  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140539.160


   
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Re: Avalon ASIC users thread
February 05, 2013, 08:35:10
  #159

More good news.  Machine uptime and cgminer uptime are both now 24 hours.  Pool was BTC Guild, and stratum seems to most commonly use a share difficulty of 32.00000.

Now going to play with p2pool some more, with higher difficulty rates.

It sounds like a theory of a memleak is certainly plausible, at least.

   
Re: Avalon ASIC users thread
February 06, 2013, 03:27:36
  #170

Survived 18 hours so far on p2pool without a restart, either machine or cgminer.

Mining at difficulty 16.0, with stratum, to local p2pool/bitcoind.




Re: Avalon ASIC users thread
February 06, 2013, 04:42:07
  #171

Miner "freeze" just past hour 20, mining p2pool:  openwrt and cgminer status are accessible, but no work is being retrieved from / sent to p2pool.

Manually restarted.
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I suspected that as well.  Especially since the extremely high profile first unit, hand delivered for review, is constantly freezing and requiring reboots.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if they had some sort of production problem and are milking the CNY/customs excuses to give them time to fix it.
legendary
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That's what I heard as well. It could have been the "demo" video before sending it off to Jeff.

Anyway..2 or 3 doesn't matter when they're supposed to have 100s out the door by now. Undecided
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bce
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3 confirmed.


Any link?  As far as I know, only two units have been delivered.
legendary
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legendary
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After Shipping a few weeks ago, how many ASICs from Avalon are in the wild now?

2 confirmed  Cheesy

Jeff and the Foundation must be enjoying their new wealth given their the only ones with ASICs for now.
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Former curator of The Bitcoin Museum
After Shipping a few weeks ago, how many ASICs from Avalon are in the wild now?
legendary
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Well after sending support many support tickets I am yet to receive any news on batch 2 order if and when I will be allowed to re submit order.

Guess I got to wait for batch 3 now
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I love it. Avalon vs BFL = China 1 - US 0
signs of things to come Grin
legendary
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I believe that four module version was sent to the bitcoin foundation.

Will have to wait and see as theirs a video too I have seen and am sure that Josh from BLF is in it but with Avalon hardware and him filming it.
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I believe that four module version was sent to the bitcoin foundation.
legendary
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Seems another persons got one but no updates who it is tho

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aww Sad

understandable though, taking an hour to tear it down and [hopefully] reassemble it correctly would cause him several bitcoins of lost productivity and potentially mess up his unit.

i want detailed pics and specs and all that glory tho!

Bitcoin Foundation will have no excuse for not ripping their unit apart, so hopefully those pics and videos will soon be forthcoming.  Jeff's blog makes clear that he wasn't supposed to receive his unit yesterday - it sounds like there's something planned PR-wise for today and the delay on Batch 2 orders also suggests that Avalon's waiting for something specific to occur.
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ASIC Wannabe
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Photos and video
Prior posts included photos.  No video was taken.  And the machine is performing its intended function -- receiving bitcoins to validate data -- so it will not be ripped apart for further pictures (however I want to see that, just as much as you). It is expected that upcoming press events and other third parties will provide this.

Horse shit!  Angry

aww Sad

understandable though, taking an hour to tear it down and [hopefully] reassemble it correctly would cause him several bitcoins of lost productivity and potentially mess up his unit.

i want detailed pics and specs and all that glory tho!
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FYI...tantrums don't really come through over the Interwebz as no one can tell if you're really stomping your feet &/or holding your breath.
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Photos and video
Prior posts included photos.  No video was taken.  And the machine is performing its intended function -- receiving bitcoins to validate data -- so it will not be ripped apart for further pictures (however I want to see that, just as much as you). It is expected that upcoming press events and other third parties will provide this.

Horse shit!  Angry
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it isn't clear if trade-in program applies for second batch!
i wonder when it will be available  Smiley
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Any link to the time of second batch order start?

It's in the OP of the Batch #2 thread.

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batch #2 starts selling on EST 9:00 AM, January 31st, 2013

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/avalon-asic-batch-2-pre-sale-thread-139704

You can convert to your local time and UTC here.

timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
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Bitcoin / Crypto mining Hardware.
Any link to the time of second batch order start?
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Looks like I have a little more reading to do but that summed it up nicely thank you gentlemen. 8hrs. Short notice indeed.
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I've been so out of the loop on Bitcoin I almost feel ashamed. Can someone please bring me up to speed on this within a few sentences? Also how much does it cost and where can I get one Cheesy

Orders will open in just over 8 hours.  There will be 600 units available in batch 2.
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Gerald Davis
I've been so out of the loop on Bitcoin I almost feel ashamed. Can someone please bring me up to speed on this within a few sentences? Also how much does it cost and where can I get one Cheesy

Simple version:
It murders GPU miners in their sleep.

You can't buy one today.  Batch 1 already sold out.

Batch 2 will pre-order "soon" (tomorrow?).  $1499 for 66GH/s (68GH/s observed in testing).  Payment in BTC only.  No cancellations.  Expected shipping in March.

http://launch.avalon-asics.com/
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Trust me, these default swaps will limit the risks
I've been so out of the loop on Bitcoin I almost feel ashamed. Can someone please bring me up to speed on this within a few sentences? Also how much does it cost and where can I get one Cheesy

Orders start in a day. $1500 will get you 66gh/s+. You should receive it in March. Google "Avalon Asics".
*Bitcoin ONLY
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I've been so out of the loop on Bitcoin I almost feel ashamed. Can someone please bring me up to speed on this within a few sentences? Also how much does it cost and where can I get one Cheesy
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Congrats Avalon! I had my doubts but looks like they are pulling it off.

Possibly bad news for anyone who was backing another company and hoping to recoup their purchase costs quickly though. Only the lucky first wave of Avalon clients will manage that, lucky guys.
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well did you get a tracking number? what about the customs?
legendary
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I was a pessimist, did not think that any one could deliver and for that i crown myself as a duchebag.

Don't worry your ignorance and inability to accept corrections already did that for you in your other thread.  To avoid any revisioning of history you weren't a pessimist you flat out claims it was IMPOSSIBLE to produce this product.  Not that Avalon was a scam but that it simply couldn't be done. Of course as pointed out even IF Avalon was a scam your reasoning was still idiotic.

For existing FPGA design the best can be had is 23MHps/J. There is no reason to anticipate an improvement in FPGA power efficiency, yes, there can be marginal reduction of overhead and the FPGA can be scaled up, but it's efficiency will not increase all that much. Based on existing designs we can anticipate 25MH/J for FPGA. There is nothing special abut ASIC, most ASIC vendors just use a custom programmed FPGA; this is called FPGA to ASIC conversion. So at best ASIC will be 50MHps/J; and i am being VERY generous here.
So much trolling to be undone, so little time...
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Gerald Davis
I was a pessimist, did not think that any one could deliver and for that i crown myself as a duchebag.

Don't worry your ignorance and inability to accept corrections already did that for you in your other thread.  To avoid any revisioning of history you weren't a pessimist you flat out claims it was IMPOSSIBLE to produce this product.  Not that Avalon was a scam but that it simply couldn't be done. Of course as pointed out even IF Avalon was a scam your reasoning was still idiotic.

For existing FPGA design the best can be had is 23MHps/J. There is no reason to anticipate an improvement in FPGA power efficiency, yes, there can be marginal reduction of overhead and the FPGA can be scaled up, but it's efficiency will not increase all that much. Based on existing designs we can anticipate 25MH/J for FPGA. There is nothing special abut ASIC, most ASIC vendors just use a custom programmed FPGA; this is called FPGA to ASIC conversion. So at best ASIC will be 50MHps/J; and i am being VERY generous here.
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Congrats AVALON.
I was a pessimist, did not think that any one could deliver and for that i crown myself as a duchebag.
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You could 51% a small chain with a few of these.

Only clones of bitcoin not a different algorythm like litecoin.
legendary
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its a sad sad day for GPU miners aswell as FPGA miners
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You could 51% a small chain with a few of these.
legendary
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Please post a link to the pool where you're mining so we can all stand in awe Cheesy
legendary
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Why,only 2 are out,so they won't make the diff go up at all or very very little.Be mad when 300 of these are mining  Tongue

Well, there's over 50 en route, so we should see those coming online in the next days.
Maybe. If he really spent 4x the standard amount of shipping Jeff's, it might be another week or more before the rest hit the market.
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Why,only 2 are out,so they won't make the diff go up at all or very very little.Be mad when 300 of these are mining  Tongue

Well, there's over 50 en route, so we should see those coming online in the next days.
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Why,only 2 are out,so they won't make the diff go up at all or very very little.Be mad when 300 of these are mining  Tongue
That's why he's mad.  If there's one, then more will surely follow.
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Why,only 2 are out,so they won't make the diff go up at all or very very little.Be mad when 300 of these are mining  Tongue
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Clown prophet
[01:50] mining!
[01:50] [MHS av] => 68252.65
[01:50] no wai
[01:50] OLE!!!
[01:50] does asic mining mean i can use a pair of shoes to mine bitcoins?
[01:50] ZOMG!
[01:53] now that it's working, it is much more quiet
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jgarzik:  I sent you credentials if you'd like to use: http://www.btcguild.com/avalon_verification.php  to show it off

Not sure if he will be using it though.


Am sure once he gets to terms and grips with it he will use it. The thing I do not like is no instructions with it on how to use and its using Chinese plug. Would of expected to be made for US power.

We can only await to see what the progress of this is. However I will be placing some orders for them in the next few hours for batch #2
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jgarzik:  I sent you credentials if you'd like to use: http://www.btcguild.com/avalon_verification.php  to show it off

Not sure if he will be using it though.

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Thanks very much for showing those photos and congratulations to them for getting the first ASIC out there.

That's...certainly an interesting plug.  Hope it performs well for you!
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note: It is still possible for our unit's speed to increase. in addition to a secret that will only be revealed when the units are in customers hands.
So what's this "secret" that will make Avalon worth it all in the end? Can we get a closer look at one of those 3 modular boards?

Hopefully someone will disassemble the unit after they report on the power consumption and hashrate.

That's a massive single heatsink, I guess there are multiple modules that connect to the visible PCB 'backplane' via ribbon cables. Then 3 backplanes at ~22 GH/s @ ~6 watts per gigahash yields ~132w which could be easily powered by a pair of 6-pin PCIe connectors. Top of the unit looks like a bundle of just yellow and black so.. PCIe connectors. Can't wait for someone to tear this thing apart.
Hopefully Jeff has a meter like a Kill-A-Watt.
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So what's this "secret" that will make Avalon worth it all in the end? Can we get a closer look at one of those 3 modular boards?
I'm assuming the "secret" is that you can add another board, boosting the hash speed to ~88Gh/s at under the same ~400W.

Taadaaa!!!
Ummm No. If you can add another board, then it will use 1/3 more power, putting you at 88GH/s @ 530W. You don't just add 1/3 more chips and expect a 0% increase in power consumption.
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Looks like the air intake for the PSU is close to the bottom PCB.

The heat sink fins are widely spaced, so little heat and a slow fan? 133W per heatsink..

You have to take out of the case, mine in the nude as tradition dictates.
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note: It is still possible for our unit's speed to increase. in addition to a secret that will only be revealed when the units are in customers hands.
So what's this "secret" that will make Avalon worth it all in the end? Can we get a closer look at one of those 3 modular boards?

Hopefully someone will disassemble the unit after they report on the power consumption and hashrate.

That's a massive single heatsink, I guess there are multiple modules that connect to the visible PCB 'backplane' via ribbon cables. Then 3 backplanes at ~22 GH/s @ ~6 watts per gigahash yields ~132w which could be easily powered by a pair of 6-pin PCIe connectors. Top of the unit looks like a bundle of just yellow and black so.. PCIe connectors. Can't wait for someone to tear this thing apart.
legendary
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So what's this "secret" that will make Avalon worth it all in the end? Can we get a closer look at one of those 3 modular boards?

I'm assuming the "secret" is that you can add another board, boosting the hash speed to ~88Gh/s at under the same ~400W.

Taadaaa!!!
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note: It is still possible for our unit's speed to increase. in addition to a secret that will only be revealed when the units are in customers hands.
So what's this "secret" that will make Avalon worth it all in the end? Can we get a closer look at one of those 3 modular boards?
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PLUG     IT      IN!!!!
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ANOTHER AWAITED PICTURE

I WONDER WHATS BEHIND DOOR NUMBER 1,2 AND 3



KWH
legendary
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In Collateral I Trust.
legendary
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Someone ought to sticky this thread.
legendary
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He'll have it paid off in a week or less  Shocked

With no competition he'll do very well,lucky bastard  Cool

It is supposed to be 66GH right  Huh


Difficulty Factor-2968775.33208


Hash Rate (mega-hashes / second)-66000.0


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per Day-฿11.18=$218.46

per Week-฿78.26=$1,529.24

per Month-฿339.88=$6,641.28
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Thats if, its just not an empty case...
legendary
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O kso below is some posts and pictures of the new rig. And also updated with a 2nd rig from unknown source however this has 4 modules in it.

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/296709252351926273

http://garzikrants.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/once-upon-time-in-china-package-shipped.html






Looks like the race has started and BFG are now behind. I sure as hell would be mining and going crazy with that bad boy.


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