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February 05, 2013, 10:30:11 AM
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Each chip has about 280MH / s, this means that they are a hardcopy of a FPGA and not a full custom ASIC.

Avalon chip is NOT a hardcopy or something  similar.
meanwhile, it is NOT a full custom ASIC too.

Avalon ASIC is designed with standard cell.

That pic was showing a meter at almost 600w... that's a bit higher than anticipated.  Can someone translate the explanation of that pic?  Is that 600w at 66GH/s?

this is reality.



Yeah, 600w for 66GH/s ..only 33% higher than they advertise on their site.

power consumption details by actual measurement :

Chip power efficienty: ~6.6W/GHs @ 1.15 V
Module power consumption: 149W @ 20.048GHs/ 164W@ 22.560GHs
machine power consumption: 67.68G for ~595W @ 220V-AC/ ~620W @ 120V-AC

Thank you ngzhang for the clarification and info, it is appreciated!
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February 05, 2013, 10:16:39 AM
#11


Each chip has about 280MH / s, this means that they are a hardcopy of a FPGA and not a full custom ASIC.

Avalon chip is NOT a hardcopy or something  similar.
meanwhile, it is NOT a full custom ASIC too.

Avalon ASIC is designed with standard cell.

That pic was showing a meter at almost 600w... that's a bit higher than anticipated.  Can someone translate the explanation of that pic?  Is that 600w at 66GH/s?

this is reality.



Yeah, 600w for 66GH/s ..only 33% higher than they advertise on their site.

power consumption details by actual measurement :

Chip power efficienty: ~6.6W/GHs @ 1.15 V
Module power consumption: 149W @ 20.048GHs/ 164W@ 22.560GHs
machine power consumption: 67.68G for ~595W @ 220V-AC/ ~620W @ 120V-AC
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February 05, 2013, 10:11:18 AM
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Each chip has about 280MH / s, this means that they are a hardcopy of a FPGA and not a full custom ASIC.
This "hardcopy" comment is just misinformation.

Various FPGA copy processes need to be ordered through the respective intelectual property owner, eg.

HardCopy through Altera
EasyPath through Xilinx
etc.

In case of Avalon if this was an FPGA copy they would place an order with Xilinx not with TSMC.

It clearly is a custom ASIC.

Now the adjective "full" has no well-defined meaning next to "custom ASIC". By my reading of the posts in this forum only two persons creatures are working on a full custom ASIC: bitfury and yohan yohan's cat.


The designer is watching.
The distinctive mark of a full custom designer is that his simulation result errors are narrower than the manufacturing process variance. The way I interpret the words "full custom" would mean that the designer had run an analog level simulation on BSIM (or an equivalent toolset). The error-bounds on such simulations are very narrow, in fact the proper simulation would consist of multiple simulation runs modeling various corners of the manufacturing process. This is just time consuming.

It is of course possible that some vendor really does full custom design, but deliberately spreads misinformation on this forum to hide their intellectual property.

It is also possible that some vendor is in a posession of some EDA tool that they don't have a full license and/or don't fully understand how to operate and/or don't have all the required input data for models. This would be another explanation of unusually wide error bounds on simulation.
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February 05, 2013, 10:06:40 AM
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That pic was showing a meter at almost 600w... that's a bit higher than anticipated.  Can someone translate the explanation of that pic?  Is that 600w at 66GH/s?

Yeah, 600w for 66GH/s ..only 33% higher than they advertise on their site.

They've changed it on their site now http://launch.avalon-asics.com/#features

Hashrate: greater than 66 Gh/s
Power Consumption: 620w@120v AC
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February 05, 2013, 10:04:29 AM
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That pic was showing a meter at almost 600w... that's a bit higher than anticipated.  Can someone translate the explanation of that pic?  Is that 600w at 66GH/s?

Yeah, 600w for 66GH/s ..only 33% higher than they advertise on their site.

EDIT: I stand corrected, it looks like they finally changed the specs on their site.
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February 05, 2013, 09:54:05 AM
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That pic was showing a meter at almost 600w... that's a bit higher than anticipated.  Can someone translate the explanation of that pic?  Is that 600w at 66GH/s?
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February 05, 2013, 08:58:30 AM
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Each chip has about 280MH / s, this means that they are a hardcopy of a FPGA and not a full custom ASIC.

... Proof?

"Avalon ASIC will not be responsible for if a proper Integrated Circuit company enters the market and produce a full-custom ASIC chip. Please evaluate your mining projections properly when purchasing Avalon ASIC."
http://launch.avalon-asics.com/?page_id=778
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February 05, 2013, 08:57:07 AM
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Each chip has about 280MH / s, this means that they are a hardcopy of a FPGA and not a full custom ASIC.

... Proof?

If it were an ASIC, would it be just one chip?
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February 05, 2013, 08:51:52 AM
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Each chip has about 280MH / s, this means that they are a hardcopy of a FPGA and not a full custom ASIC.

... Proof?
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February 05, 2013, 08:50:03 AM
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I cannot quote directly, so I'm going to do a little cut and paste quotes.

To quote something in a locked thread, get the post's individual ID number (shown by hovering over the # post link), then click quote on something in your unlocked thread (this one) but change the quote= parameter to the locked thread's quote #.
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February 05, 2013, 08:46:59 AM
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Each chip has about 280MH / s, this means that they are a hardcopy of a FPGA and not a full custom ASIC.
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February 05, 2013, 08:44:05 AM
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I wanted to restart the discussion from the thread that is now locked:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1402474

I cannot quote directly, so I'm going to do a little cut and paste quotes.

Quote from: mrb
Now that we know there will be 4055 chips per wafer, and that the die area is 16mm², I can refine my math and prediction:
- each Avalon chip will have 1/10th the number of transistors of the BFL chips (16mm² at 110nm vs. 56.25mm² at 65nm)
- BFL chips are 7.5Ghash/s, therefore Avalon chips should do 0.75Ghash/s (approximately, since the clock will be somewhat different)
- an Avalon wafer will therefore provide 4055*.75 = 3040 Ghash/s of mining power
- an Avalon wafer will go into the production of about 50 Avalon devices (~60 Ghash/s each)
- the raw cost of a wafer is $4,xxx per the partially-obscured price in the TSMC document published by the team, let's say $4500, that means $90 of wafer space per Avalon device (up from my prediction of $40)
Quote from: Mikej0h
You do realize that based on your calculation for a single Avalon device, which is advertised as 66Gh/sec, they would need 88 chips.
That sounds very unlikely to me...
Quote from: 2112
For a Chinese designers 88 would be a doubly prosperous number or joy number. Sounds likely to me...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture#Eight
Pictures of the open Avalon modules are now available:

http://bbs.btcman.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1304

There are 80 chips per module.
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