Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124 - page 2.

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on September 11, 2021, 06:25:35 PM

because i don't think someone will intensional plagiarised article because of to earn a Merit.

It is your assumption that could be right or wrong but it could be wrong in my opinion.

Generally ^{I'm not talking about Pokapoka124}, bounty hunters copy and paste to get post quota or suddenly change from bounty report, one-line posts to a long one (but plagiarized) just to try earning one merit (to rank up) and get higher stake for their bounty job.

Sharing a good article is a good way to earn merit from what I see. It brings more impression if readers think the topic is original, not plagiarized.

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Quote from: Lucius on September 11, 2021, 08:20:57 AM

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It's good if that's the case. Then can advise Pokapoka124 to stop justifying his plagiarism by the fact that he was a newbie, etc., and fully admit that he repeatedly copied someone else's text without a link and agrees to take the path of correction.

I could say when this guy called pokapoka124 commit this crime of plagiarism maybe is not aware of the rules and regulations of the community, because many people when they are a beginner to this noble institution they don't care to know the rules that controls the environment, because assuming he knew, he wont has created a topic of plagiarism which we are using to justify the account pkpk124, because i don't think someone will intensional plagiarised article because of to earn a Merit.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on September 11, 2021, 07:27:01 AM

I do not think that editing at the time of plagiarism catching should change or somehow convince the moderators. Most likely this is another attempt to cheat, clinging to the last hope. This is just another minus in admitting guilt.

Looking at it from this angle, I asked this question before.

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If someone is accused of plagiarism in a particular post, does the person have the right to edit the post(add citation)under accusation

I want to know your opinion if editing a post at the time of plagiarism accusation is a sign of playing smart or that of being remorseful.

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Probably yes. Here the ban is already permanent and it is almost impossible to correct the situation, since the plagiarism did not have a random nature of origin.

Don't be pessimistic, some have been waiting for days, some for months, and some for years - it is important for the OP to show perseverance and get as much support as possible from the forum members. Nothing is impossible, everything can be corrected and fixed.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on September 11, 2021, 07:27:01 AM

In addition, everyone can see that plagiarism was not the only one if you check all the edited topics. He edited his former started threads and even when plagiarism was discovered.
It seems to me not entirely fair, although I have always considered this guy to be promising in terms of growth on the forum. I do not think that editing at the time of plagiarism catching should change or somehow convince the moderators. Most likely this is another attempt to cheat, clinging to the last hope. This is just another minus in admitting guilt.

The problem i found out that made a moderator not to pay attention is that he made a post of Plagiarism, in which the topic were emphasising and kicking against plagiarised article, so already the post itself has justify him, because you can't advice someone to abstain from something ease and continue to pushing or forcing and practicing the same, it's totally absolutely wrong, editing post's after been caught for violation's of law can't neither help anyone who commit crime, i was solicting for a temporary ban because i know how painful it's to lose a grown account of such nature, i think this is a lesson to newbies including existing users.

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In addition, everyone can see that plagiarism was not the only one if you check all the edited topics. He edited his former started threads and even when plagiarism was discovered.
It seems to me not entirely fair, although I have always considered this guy to be promising in terms of growth on the forum. I do not think that editing at the time of plagiarism catching should change or somehow convince the moderators. Most likely this is another attempt to cheat, clinging to the last hope. This is just another minus in admitting guilt.

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Quote from: UserU on September 11, 2021, 06:37:50 AM

Ah, that pretty much means a dead end for that fella if that's the case

This does not mean that there is no chance that the whole thing will be resolved positively in his favor, just that the case is much more complicated than the one you are comparing it to. Maybe it would be fair to expect a temporary ban + signature ban as a fair punishment, although now it's all up to global mods/admins.

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Quote from: Lucius on September 11, 2021, 06:04:38 AM

The two cases are quite different, although they are both linked by a plagiarism charge. @Mpamaegbu just forgot to add a source link, and that's why his situation was resolved so quickly. What @Pokapoka124 did is far more serious and it's plagiarism that was done with premeditation, aware that it was wrong - but assuming no one would catch him.

Ah, that pretty much means a dead end for that fella if that's the case

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Quote from: UserU on September 11, 2021, 12:16:26 AM

Mpamaegbu had a strong case during his appeal. For this one, we have to see what @hilariousandco says.

The two cases are quite different, although they are both linked by a plagiarism charge. @Mpamaegbu just forgot to add a source link, and that's why his situation was resolved so quickly. What @Pokapoka124 did is far more serious and it's plagiarism that was done with premeditation, aware that it was wrong - but assuming no one would catch him.

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Mpamaegbu had a strong case during his appeal. For this one, we have to see what @hilariousandco says.

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Quote from: HaleyOccam on September 08, 2021, 10:44:21 PM

Plagiarism is an unforgivable thing in this forum, no matter who it is.

I think it will be resolved case by case by moderators. I've read it dozens of times so that it becomes a provision where 1 mistake made by a forum contributor in the past (unintentional, or for other reasonable reasons) can still be considered by the moderator not to ban it. You can't say the rules should same apply to all forum users, although I will not support plagiarism but the moderator's gentle attitude to forum contributors is highly expected. Losing one useful contributor to a forum with 1 error is not worth the hundreds of spammers there are.

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Plagiarism is an unforgivable thing in this forum, no matter who it is. In the Bitcoin forum, you can have no original articles, as long as you indicate the source. Just like Ratimov. I want to say a swear word, rubbish regulations. I am not challenging the administrators or moderators, but I think this will kill some people's enthusiasm. Bitcoin forum has a lot of attractions to me. What the forum hates is scammers. Compared with plagiarism, I hate some bounty hunters, especially the TWITTER standard will pay attention to each other 100%. Can we focus on the key points and don't get entangled in what we do. The only criterion for judging whether it is a scammer is whether to defraud the bounty and forum members' money. Bounty programs and signature events increase the difficulty of participation. You cannot participate in precipitation without time.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124_appeal on September 07, 2021, 07:37:09 AM

This is true. No argument there. The plagiarised posts were in my early days and are coming back to haunt me. The Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? was created in a quest to question the extent of plagiarism. It was at this point I was becoming more aware of the dangers of such actions. In an attempt to throw light on plagiarism it's ironic I didn't to question myself. Its not so funny at this point that I lacked the insight to look at my ownself. That is my blind spot. I seek repentance and plead for retribution

A plagiarist has written about plagiarism and it’s rule on the forum! How much hypocrite someone can be? You are an example for them. Didn’t you know you had a copy/paste post prior to creating that thread? I don’t think you deserve a chance though you seem to be good for the forum. You knew that you have plagiarized but didn’t bother to delete that knowing it’s forbidden in the forum.

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I feel sorry for your case. I congratulated you on your new rank not long ago. Pray the mods will reconsider your case because your good work for exposing scams was really helpful to me. I read your shots and know how scammers reason. You have contributed to the forum as an active member, I wish let there be a second chance in your case. Good luck

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Quote from: Pokapoka124_appeal on September 07, 2021, 07:37:09 AM

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You yourself are talking about plagiarism in your topic: Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? referring to the rules. It was a month and a half before your ban. You talk about newbies and their plagiarism and at the same time fall for plagiarism, as you claim, which was written at the time when you were a newbie.

That is, you talk about it by telling others, but you are not able to apply your statements to yourself. This is strange.

This is true. No argument there. The plagiarised posts were in my early days and are coming back to haunt me. The Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? was created in a quest to question the extent of plagiarism. It was at this point I was becoming more aware of the dangers of such actions. In an attempt to throw light on plagiarism it's ironic I didn't to question myself. Its not so funny at this point that I lacked the insight to look at my ownself. That is my blind spot. I seek repentance and plead for retribution

Quote from: Pokapoka124_appeal on September 07, 2021, 05:26:34 AM

Thank you all for your sympathy and understanding. I really appreciate it. A signature ban in my case would be mercy. I will accept such mercy if given. Being a member of the forum is more important to me

No doubt here that this user have violated the rule of the forum to which he has come to beg for forgiveness and a second chance. I won't consider his post as an appeal but an apology from someone who realizes he has done more grievous harm by preaching the sermon but not being sure of how clean his own actions are.

It is quite different with the other user's case though but rather than a total throwaway of the child and the bath water, if the mod could have a retribution for him that can still allow him a chance to start preaching and doing the act in same manner, he can realize the gravity of plagiarism. Plagiarism is an offence of intellitual property and frowned at even in real world. I think he is begging for a signature ban at least to have a chance to continue with the forum going forward. But is up to the mods to take a decision better for the forum.

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It is not for me to say what the global mod or the admin will decide about your ban, but I will say that in your specific case there was more than an obvious intention to incorporate someone else's work into your posts. You started your posts with the original content, and then you add plagiarized content, which is one of the worst ways to plagiarize - except maybe those that also use word spinning.

Quote from: Pokapoka124_appeal on September 07, 2021, 05:26:34 AM

A signature ban in my case would be mercy. I will accept such mercy if given. Being a member of the forum is more important to me

Everyone deserves a second chance, and many have got it - so I see no reason why that chance should not be given in this case with the signature ban.

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I hope it's obvious now that pokapoka124 has accepted the fact that he plagiarised an article as a result of ignorance and also soliciting for mercy even though it's a critical time i think he deserved atoms of help, we really know how difficult and painful it's for someone to lose environment he or her is been acclimatized with, mods you can grant him a second chance with a punishment not to join a signature campaign for some period of time, I'm just considering the fact that he is interest to leave without the community of bitcointalk, going through the post or comment of pokapoka124 via appeal, it seems that he is inquisitive to come back and enjoy the communication of the forum..so let the privilege should be giving to the user pokapoka124 with some elements of condition.

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You yourself are talking about plagiarism in your topic: Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? referring to the rules. It was a month and a half before your ban. You talk about newbies and their plagiarism and at the same time fall for plagiarism, as you claim, which was written at the time when you were a newbie.

That is, you talk about it by telling others, but you are not able to apply your statements to yourself. This is strange.

This is true. No argument there. The plagiarised posts were in my early days and are coming back to haunt me. The Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? was created in a quest to question the extent of plagiarism. It was at this point I was becoming more aware of the dangers of such actions. In an attempt to throw light on plagiarism it's ironic I didn't to question myself. Its not so funny at this point that I lacked the insight to look at my ownself. That is my blind spot. I seek repentance and plead for retribution

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Quote from: Pokapoka124_appeal on September 07, 2021, 05:26:34 AM

Thank you all for your sympathy and understanding. I really appreciate it. A signature ban in my case would be mercy. I will accept such mercy if given. Being a member of the forum is more important to me

I think usually signature bans were obtained for two years. I believe that you will lose the will to be active as much as up to now.

I think there is very little chance that your account will be unbanned, probably none. it is a completely different case compared to Mpamaegbu.
Obviously, you write copy/paste posts without citing sources. What makes your case difficult is the topic created by you Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? where you clearly talk about the issue of plagiarism and showing that clearly know the weight of such violations.
So, your mistake can't be considered an accident.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on September 07, 2021, 05:52:46 AM

Honestly, I think the forum would need to review its policy on punishment for plagiarism. I do think that a warning should be there for first offenders before the ultimate strike.

I doubt that the forum is going to revise its policy on how to deal with plagiarism, but I agree with you. If it's just one case, if it happened a while ago, if it's moderate (not someone just copy-pasting whole paragraphs, but some sentence), don't rush into banning him.

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