Topic: BAN APPEAL: looking for a solution - page 2. (Read 1523 times)

Another spanish translator just warned me about something...
Probably another lazy translator of same cmapaign that didnt his work and now tries to harm me with an alt account, because i was professional and updated my threads according to my responsabilities assumed as translator of the project.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51552645:
"I see this thread only you make posts, there is no interaction between users. You could say too Spam. Of the 4 pages, all of you are posting updates.
And you are also on BANNED from this forum: ChiNgadOr-banappeal BAN APPEAL: Assuming my fault and looking for a solution"

and the answers of rig4hodlers to him it https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51570337 which I think is excellent. (thanks for the effort )

"An account that wrote 8 messages on 3th and 4th nov 2017, and now suddenly appears in 2019 to blame ChiNgad0r, one of the most active Spanish translators in this board and reputable scammer hunter of the forum, which granted him 182 merits.
It seems obvious you could be another translator from same bounty campaign, worried because ChiNgad0r did effectively his work. He updated his thread (mandatory as translator), which you probably didn't, and you are blaming him now because he gets more stakes than you that and you didnt put any effort at all.
On the other side, you manipulated his Ban-appeal.. he wrote first "BAN APPEAL: Assuming my fault and looking for a solution", because he didn't knew what was the reason for the ban. After realizing it, that was changed for  "BAN APPEAL: Looking for a solution" (edited on 13th June, while your message is from 21th June, so obviously you have some hidden interest in harming him) as it was obviously an unfair ban. He was reported for plagiarizing which has non sense if he just copy paste an announcement from team/project he was working for, regarding Softcap achieved (proof: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51428470)
Much more, ChiNgad0r is still actively talking about BCNEX in his telegram groups,as the most promising exchange in Vietnam, expecting his ban to be lifted.
I am not really active on forum long time ago but we have to support the people who work hard to keep out the cheaters/scammers as ChiNgad0r did latest months.
Cheers."


meanwhile, where are the global moderators that could at least spend some minutes to review my appeal to realize a permanent ban was unfair? At least hope you consider a signature ban

I really wonder if any other global moderator than "Hilariousandco" ever took a look at this thread.. taking in mind what was supposedly the reason of the ban (which I still dont think was really fair as I was spreading the news of the project I was promoting, direct from another team member), and much more my contribution in the past (as reputable scammer hunter which saved thousands of $ being paid to fake translators).. i think at least i deserve to be taken in consideration. A signature ban could be a a solution.. i really miss the forum, and spanish board is pretty inactive without me. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=254.0

Well, regarding patterns of communication.. this depends on everyone, at least me just updated my local threads with anything posted on the social media of the respective project. Usually a piece of text, a link to source (twitter,facebook...) and an image. Others just copy paste a text of the whitepaper as way to increase posts for stakes counting. Anyway, this is always a decision of bounty manager and board moderator, to decide wether the posts are valid or are so non sense that deserve to be deleted.. Once again Franckuestein (spanish moderator) for all patience he had with me and rest of translators in the past  
And lets hope more global moderators take a look at my thread and decide unbanning me or at least change to a signature ban, according to what i have been explaining in detail.

Thanks for the info, I was in a hurry (as always ) so I didn't checked the post history, I was just sharing my thoughts...
Although I'm sure that there are similar patterns in the posts of the users who do similar job here, like bounty managers, ICO promoters, etc... but that's not plagiarism to use the same patterns for the same activity or communication task

Thanks for this. Honestly i can't remember much of what happened long time ago, but on that time i was still a Jr. member and didnt had too much idea about how the forum worked at all.. and wasn't able to realize a difference between an altcoin and a token, so I probably supposed it was ok to have both threads open, and Loyalcoin took advantage of my ignorance because that was double exposure and brand awareness for them. It is i was asked to manage the thread and this is exactly what i did.

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Regarding the "same "vocabulary" for the same tasks of different ICO", it hasn't much sense at all, as the terms we use in this industry are very common and we use them daily.. (token, softcap, hardcap,...)
Anyway, It took me just 20 seconds to take a look at last posts of this person (benalexis https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/benalexis12-1181576 )  and realize he is from Philippinnes, while i am known all around the forum as spanish translator.  For your info, Philippinnes is the coutnry where Loyalcoin is based. Honeslty I can't remember, but now I suspect that this must be why I used directly the info provided by him, because he probably was in direct contact or was just part of core team.
Sumarizing: you are wrong, no alt account, nor was too lazy, just copy pasted info generated directly by team.

Or, they are alts of each other, you'll never find out, if it's not stated expressly...
Or, they are not alts but using the same "vocabulary" for the same tasks of different ICOs... If you do the communication for an ICO campaign, and you finish it, and start another one, you can use the same templates in the communication, which is not a real plagiarism but just lazyness effectiveness...

I’m not sure I’m following this case properly. Supposing that the reported case is the only one standing, the reported copy/paste post was of an informative nature, posted initially by @benalexis12, and subsequently two days later by @ChiNgadOr. If I’ve understood it properly, both users were responsible at the time for managing communication through the Ann thread(s), and it looks like they both (re)posted the same informative post as to the project’s advance at the time.

What looks like an initial flaw is that LoyalCoin maintained two concurrent live threads on the same (Ann) topic, one placed in the Announcement (Altcoins) section and another within the Tokens (Altcoin) inner child board. By volume of posts, the former seemed to be the main thread (where @ChiNgadOr posted his announcements), and likely the second one (where @ benalexis12 posted his announcements) should have been the only one created, since their Altcoin is really a Token.

At least one of them should probably have been trashed I figure, and I can’t understand why LoyalCoin kept them both simultaneously active with two different team members (one on each) performing informative tasks. That is really beside the point in relation to the ban, but it is the context where the copy/paste happened. In addition, the informative posts were not the same on both threads, or at least they were not cloned as a habit.

If we take a look at the threads themselves, there are other duplicate posts of a similar nature. For example, the OP here: [ANN] [ICO] LoyalCoin: Digital Asset for the Universal Loyalty Economy is pretty much verbatim to that here: 📣[ANN][ICO]🚀LoyalCoin🚀: Digital Asset for the Universal Loyalty Economy 📣). The users implied are different, and I figure were the first to manage each of these near to duplicate threads.

What to me seems clear in the case being appealed here, is that the copy/paste does is not of a directly lucrative nature in the traditional sense (i.e. paid per post shortcut), was not looking for merits nor incrementing post count in a banal manner. Rather more, it seems like two people responsible for the communication of LoyalCoin communicated exactly the same content two days apart on two different threads.

Hope this comment doesnt also affect your reputation in anyway..   Now i start to think there can be some orchestrated actions from other translators, from cheaters/scammers, ..?¿? who knows.. why i think this? i have seen some people (obviously with telegram usernames not related to anyone in the forum, obviously trying to hide themselves and not being trackable) starting to post in some telegram groups about me being banned in the forum,.. but they didnt point at all i have explained here.
Meanwhile, this thread seems to be non sense, as there is still no answer from the moderators (except from Hilariousandco) that have the last decision in this regard, wether they leave the permanent ban or change to a signature ban or another less hard punishment.

It is not pleasant to see what happens to a member as valuable and invested as Chingador... (and several other valuable/objectively useful members of the community have also been banned recently)

btw thanks to jademaxsuy for having detected the probable origin of this ban.

Yes, Chingador committed an unfortunate copy/paste but honestly who could believe that it was an act of malfeasance rather than a simple beginner's mistake? This guy has never saved his time to bring added value to the community, and it is obvious that his motivation is not only to increase his number of posts for signature campaigns that don't bring anything back (he actually speaks/writes a lot!)

He is at the origin of the revelation of one of the largest networks of fake translators in the forum. Just for that, he did more for the community than 99% of all of us.

Besides, I have some doubts about the people who could have reported it to the moderator, he probably didn't make many friends by doing that...

I note that recently, the moderation of the forum has begun to apply a kind of gradation, making it possible to refine the sanctions
I think that this more equitable and balanced approach would be perfectly adapted to Chingador's "fault".
And I also think that the forum without Chingador is less interesting and less secure, which is exactly the opposite of the result expected by the forum rules

Thanks for your support Mulann2. You already give your opinion and I would ask you please to stay out, dont want you be harmed because of your comments. And could also be seen as we have some relation and I encourage you to post here.. which i dodnt asked to anyone of all users i have met in the forum during the last years.

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Honestly i find much worse scam, account farming.. that copying a few words of sentences. It is up also depending on the plagiarism. I would understand that plagiariziing a text, to pretend to be an erudite on some matter, impersonate someone for earning merits or reputation, is a banabble offense. BUt this is a matter of realizing the difference between different purposes of the copy paste. Still, it was a rule, and on that time, i was a newbie and honestly didnt took a close look at all rules before.. which is my mistake and i assume. Not knowing a rule, dis not an excuse to not follow it. I heard about the plagiarism/copy-paste ban, short time ago with the recent ban of many members. Before i didnt knew this meta board was for..

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thanks for pointing this.. at least i know know what happened! As said in other post, i assume my fault, but let me explain something about this. Obviously i  cant remember what i wrote around 600 days ago, much more when i have around 12500 posts. On the other side, on that time i was selected for the management of Loyalcoin thread, so i am  responsible for communicating the news. One member of the team posted this message about softcap success, and i followed instructions, announcing the same on the thread i undertook to manage. So, honestly, i dont really think this can be taken as plagiarism, in fact it was my duty. Would have been like copy pasting something from any of our social media channels. or shouldnt I be allowed to post the same? this is exactly what I have been doing in spanish board, copy pasting the announcement from every project on their social media in my local threads, as this is what team expects from me to do.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27935048
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28012903 (you will find that i am managing the thread, just take a look at all next messages)



I have learnt lot of things.. for example, about Bump.. Our local moderator deleted many of my posts until I learned that was called bump and was forbidden. (thanks for your patience Franckuestein  ) That is me, i assume my mistake, and learn from it. If i am banned forever, learning was non sense, and i have no chance to keep on evolving. Obviously, promoting projects in the forum makes me get an income (well, supposedly.. in fact there are no much incomes at all, with all scams, projects that didnt reached softcap, and projects that reached it, are worth almost nothing..), but it is not all about what i can get, but also the value i have been adding also in the past.
I think  I have been very usefull before, i avoided many projects paying scammers, and many legit bounty hunters get what deserved. I also tried to remain postive when market was a nightmare with my posts.
I wont accept geting an infamous outlaw, so wont use an alt account, (i would NEVER encourage this account farming market, in fact i have been offered also a Sr. Member account for free from a friend that isnt active anymore in forum and which by the way would be a higher rank that mine and would grant me higher signature rewards) or VPN. I want to be honest, and this is why it took some time to write all in detail, about what i think in this thread. You really dont have an idea of how much I miss the forum, being able to read but not writing  outside this thread.. it is a prison. I hope the people responsible for taking a final decision about me, consider another punishment for me. As said, I dont really think i did something so bad, i was just announcing the same  what another member of my team (Loyalcoin) did, in the thread i was supposed to be managing. So please consider my freedom again with something not so hard as a permanent ban.


One more thing: I hope there is some kind of meeting to decide not just about me, but about many other members i realized that got a permanent ban, as they have been very usefull in the past. It is a pity to leave out so many valuable users of the forum. but in last instance, moderators decide.

This is the proof that OP has made a violation to which post was clearly copied and paste. This is the most common form or reason of one getting ban is plagiarism.

OP, if you think that you are a good member and has done worth in the forum then you can simply ask for a temp. ban like signature ban for 2 years or 1 year. It will depend on how worth you are in the forum and it is the forum moderator discretion on implementing temp. ban for wearing signatures only.

Scammers are not getting banned here, that is correct. They get tagged and receive negative trust if sufficient proof has been posted.
I agree with you that scammers should not be allowed to be part of the community but at least we have the trust system and everyone can check a members trust if he/she is interested in dealing with that member.

You have really hit the nail on the head with the above underlined words, i mean who are we fooling? Many people are been scammed in this forum everyday without nothing is done,
Lots of scam project openly making announcement in this forum without them be banned,

But good members of the forum who have put some years in this place contributing to the cousre of this forum in which ever little way they can will be permaban for just a slight mistake (even just visiting this forum alone and actually login is a contribution becos there are forums out there that don't have real human visitors), plagiarism is bad we know but still people make mistakes, nobody is perfect,
Even those who kill someone are often times given a second chance in life, why is this place different?

And please we shouldn't pretend like we are not all here for the same reason, that will be a very fat lie, because when you take away all things relating to income in this forum be it sig campaigns, buying and selling, rendering services and any other means that generate money in this forum, there won't be a handful left here, all those who are claiming they are only here to talk about btc will be the first to leave,

I don't know why it is very easy to banish people in this forum without given a chance to correct their mistakes and redeem theirself, this rules can be adjusted, i hope the right authority will have a reconsideration.

This was the one reported:

right now i was banned and that is all info I got. Could happen that I copy pasted something years ago? May be. HOnestly, i really cant remember.. But in any scenario was trying to be some kind of parasite that monetize it or get any benefit, as trying to seem an erudite. I have discussing this matter with dozens of users from the forum.. All of us agree that this probably gone too far. Suddenly 400 of accounts get banned daily?¿ I have seen people being banned for few words copy pasted,.. which I think in many cases a permanent ban was far toooo much. And i lost not hours, but days or maybe weeks looking at messages, adresses, usernames, urls.. to find many scammers, which are still on forum? really ? scammers and cheaters are allowed to be here and we don't have a second chance? All of us do mistakes, but at least some of us will do it only one time because we learn from it, without this kind of hard punishment.. 3 days out, and I really miss the forum.
On the other side.. i have seen the list of ban-appeals.. just ONE from all of them, was unbanned.. he was accused of plagiarism, but it happened before he bought his account? Nothing personal with him.. but really? this is how  justice works here? If an account is bought, the account farming is being promoted. Appart that it would mean ban evasion, I would NEVER buy an account ! no way i will ever give a cent to this disnohest actors.

If you believe the reason for your ban is unjust you have the right to appeal. But I would advice you to be honest about it. If there were situations, even back in 2017, when you copy/pasted even just a sentence or two, admit it. If you got banned for plagiarism, the admins already know about it.
If you are a valuable member of the community you could get a lighter sentence like a signature ban.

thanks for your support but  sorry to admit I can't remember you, but it is understandable you remember me from that campaign because it was really a lot of money that scammers pretended to get and i was daily moving peopple in telegram and forum trying to avoid it. And then, there was that issue about me wanting to donate the scammer funds to a shelter, which others didnt liked, which was viral and in last instance remained in WPPs wallet  
On the other side, i hope your message doesnt harms you in any way. This is also why i didnt asked anyone of all the people i  met here during the last years, to leave an opinion.. just in case.

Unfortunately you will always find people like him who will do nothing but piss you off with their bitterness, pay less attention to irrelevant trash talk,

I feel for you having your account banned, i remember you from wpp campaign how you worked hard to weed out cheaters in the bounty,
I hope you can get a second chance for your contribution in the community.
Good luck.

This is called anecdote. But to the point.. from 610 words, you just highlighted nothing about the purpose of the post. thanks for your constructive comment.

As the message in red indicates... It's either plagiarism or Spam,
100% chance that you were banned due to plagiarism so might wanna look at your past posts that don't have links to the original authors.
No one here has been banned for taking against binance or some project of sorts as you stated