Topic: [BAN APPEAL] UID: 1047338 / 2221175 - page 3. (Read 963 times)

Was it advisable to sent out unsolicited pm to people in the forum without their concept?
To me that alone is a very bad reason, why would send out pm to people randomly without their permission or even keep sending overly. The receiver might get angry and report your account for that singular acts.
But however, is there any rule that says having multiple account prohibited in this forum?

It is certain that there are plenty of those who have been banned, but have continued with another account and try not to show any connection with their previous appearance here on the forum. Bypassing the rules and I'm not sure that it is possible to prevent such a thing.


The only thing I know is that Cyrus is somewhat present on the unofficial forum Discord channel. Maybe he should try it there. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-halving-party-discord-server-5247383

The forum has always been inconsistent in that regard, this wouldn't be a first. It took us (the Croatian board) 2 years to successfully appeal a ban for one of our quality members. On the other hand, other users who committed the same mistakes got reinstated quickly or weren't bad at all. I am guessing knowing the right admin or having contact with them over whatever social media they use can speed things up.

Because you can't ban HedgeFX if there are still numerous other cases, where the evidence is completely clear, that these Accounts committed Plagiarism. If you ban HedgeFX now but don't ban the open cases of first offener Accounts, that's completely inconsistent. Especially considering that ban evading has been enforced pretty arbitrarily recently. Maybe that rule is inactive for now as getting an Account banned once is punishment enough for most cases.

Why does he hate you so much?

From what I can tell it all started with him coming to the (incorrect) conclusion that you are behind or involved in some kind of TRON Ponzi scheme, which he made from needlessly digging around in the affairs of lenders. When his conclusions were proven to be baseless, he started looking for other ways to assail your character, eventually digging up your connection to this P2PFinder account.

You've been very upfront about the nature of your former business and what happened with it, and it seems to have very little to do with what you do on the forum now. You're not part of a sig campaign, your alt appears to have been banned at least a few years ago, and you've maintained a good reputation since then.

Granted, continuing on with an alt account after your first account was banned wasn't an ideal course of action, but I don't think casual forum users should be expected to have intricate knowledge of the forum rules in that regard. Hopefully your first account will be unbanned even if you have no further plans to use it.

You was removed from DT list for your inconsistent accusations, and in this post you confirm what kind of person you are.

You accusing me to be related with other accounts HFS / hedge / hedgepay etc only by the name. I’m not relate with this. I’ve no idea who they are or what they do. Is the same as I accuse you of being connected with all accounts containing the word “time” or “lord” : no , I’m not so stupid - you are such stupid.

Again you accuse me of scam that are only in your fantasy. You continue to write that I scam people only because you hate me. This kind of accusation will drive you so far from be a trustable member , and each stupid accusations you wrote put the DT list so far from you.

I agree with above members. there's no such business or personal account, you're the one who control both of the accounts, so both of your accounts should receive a same punishment.

Based on my observation, there was no scam, cheat, crime etc that related with unethical or illegal activities. You've ask many loans and paid it accordingly. Currently, I see you're a good person and could be trusted.

I think permanent banned isn't really a fair punishment, I'd say temporary signature ban for 1-2 years are enough.

In my opinion, that is not consistent with the ban being to the person, not the account. That's why banned people are only allowed to create an alt to appeal their ban.

What do first time offender cases have to do with this one of someone who has already been banned?

In the case of this thread we are talking about a full member account, which at a good pace can take 4 months to return to that rank with a new account, so we could understand that he has received a temporary punishment of 4 months. However, following what you say, being banned would take no punishment, especially for low-ranked accounts. So a newbie or jr member who is banned, to escape the ban they would just have to create another account. What would be the punishment they would receive?

As has been canvased in another thread, the current lender has been aware for over a week.

Plus, as you raise the issue - when can the ban evasion be talked about given the borrower takes out fresh loans hours after repaying the previous loans?  Are you saying it is okay to turn a blind eye to ban evasion because the borrower is constantly borrowing funds?

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Getting back to the actual investigation, I've checked and there are two posts that have been deleted according to BPIP.org on the now banned account - it could be one of those two?  The profile you are using now has had four posts deleted by admin/mods, so it may be one of those that you refer to in the OP>

I see you used the telegram handle HedgeCryFx in your threads - can you confirm the Forum user HedgeCryFx was created by you?

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While we are on the subject of alts - what about HedgeFundX ?? They only post twice, but their first post is enlightening: Archive [1] [2]


I've highlighted the HFX that is used twice in this thread from 2016 - Twelve month later in 2017 P2Pfinder is spawned and the HFX is the avatar:



Three days earlier HFX was spawned Registration Date:6/27/2017 12:37:55 PM (Active 2016 days ago)
HedgeCryFx Registration Date:6/30/2017 5:30:09 PM (Active 2109 days ago)

hfxtoken could also be an alt given the very similar user name.

The second and only other post by HedgeFundX is to promote HPay

GOOD NEWS! ON 3RD NOV. YOU CAN PURCHASE HPAY AT ZERO TAX! - Archive [1] [2]

and as you might have guessed already - there are two registered users with that user name:

HPay Registration Date:9/3/2020 9:13:31 AM (Active 952 days ago)
hpay6234  Registration Date:1/18/2016 12:28:37 AM (Active 2730 days ago)

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I've also highlighted in orange where hedge fund is spelt both joined as in hedgefund and separate words as in hedge fund.

There's a

hedgefund Registration Date:3/26/2016 5:02:52 AM (Active 2665 days ago) and ten days earlier there was a
HedgeFundX Registration Date:3/16/2016 11:54:04 PM (Active 2674 days ago)

These two UID were registered a year before P2P so they blow HedgeFx's assertion out of the water that they took their current user profile on a whim and only copied their previous alts thread later on.


No. No it wasn't.  Read on:

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More recently, we find hedgepay has been spawned Registration Date:3/30/2022 5:32:59 PM (Active 245 days ago)

As with the other "two post hedge's", this one starts a venture that has similarities to the others: (far too long to quote)

HedgePay: Your One-Step Investment Toward Financial Freedom - Archive [1] [2]

According to https://www.whois.com/whois/hedgepay.org the domain was first registered on the Creation Date: 2021-10-28T15:42:13Z



There are ten days difference between that websites registration and a userthat "hedge" who woke up. This is months before the corresponding name was registered on the forum.

P2Pfinder woke up on the first of October 2021 and discovered they were banned 10/1/2021 7:02:19 PM    woke up then set about registering thevdimain and waiting until things cooled down before registering the new UID in March 2023.
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https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hedge



Remember this: ??


HedgeFx / P2P / hedge / hedgepay etc has been building this scam undetected for the last nine years and is well and truly guilty of ban evasion.  Their profile isn't for personal use. Never was.

Shasan loan was repaid… https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62545125
Again timelord was wrong about my intentions

If I do care for real about the form and I want to report a violation I will at least wait to see the guy paying back the loans first then I will start the topic you started but what you did means that you don't care about the community just want him banned no matter borrowers get their money back first or not and for this clear intention I am strongly against banning hedge fx because you are not doing it for the forum at least in my opinion.

Thank @1miau for support, thanks to others for contributions.

I feel sad , I feel bad. I feel as I walk on the green mile.

Hope my journey here should continue .

Considering how many first offender accounts are still not banned, even if there's crystal clear evidence, like here, here or here, banning HedgeFX after his alt P2Pfinder got already banned, would be very inconsistent. Even first offenders don't get banned if there's crystal clear evidence.

Basically, P2Pfinder / HedgeFX got his initial punishment already by getting P2Pfinder banned and after that, HedgeFX learned from that mistake.
In my opinion, there's enough punishment already by banning P2Pfinder.
I'm not a friend of this ban evasion rules anyways, especially because it has been enforced on a very irregular basis and it's pointless for this autoban bullshit anyways.

And with all those first offender accounts still not banned, banning HedgeFX and basically giving a double punishment to OP, would be very inconsistent in my opinion.


My position: no ban for HedgeFX.  


Just my 2 sats.  

I just checked the post history and I didn't see many post so I don't think the account is banned for plagiarism. I think it's sending unsolicited PMs. I don't see any posts that are plagiarized on P2pfinder's post history. Maybe OP forgot about negative tags and how it is used when someone found a scammer. I am quite surprised when OP explained why HedgeFXl shouldn't be banned when using different account even when you have other account that is banned is considered as ban evasion even no matter what forum name or username someone use.

A scam accusation or even a proven scam is not a reason why members get banned from Bitcointalk. If you scammed someone from either of your accounts, you would "only" have been negatively tagged by DT members if they believe there are valid reasons for such tags. You got banned for something else. Plagiarism, spamming, posting malware, or sending unsolicited PMs are the most common reasons. 

I do not think it matters in your case. If one of your accounts is banned, then all the others are automatically considered ban evaders—regardless of when they were created or which account was registered first. If your account has been banned due to plagiarism, I highly doubt that there will be any possibility of having your ban lifted.

Do you remember sending out PMs to promote your services ? 


You may have been banned for plagiarism your own post. But there is a problem :
The first post is from P2Pfinder: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.26208188
The 2nd post is from HedgeFx: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53128526 / https://ninjastic.space/post/53128526
Logically, it's the HedgeFx account that would have been banned for plagiarism.

P2Pfinder's last post was made before the creation of the HedgeFx account, so it's unlikely that P2Pfinder plagiarized a post from HedgeFx.

The banappeals mail you see on the P2Pfinder account is probably no longer valid. Try contacting cryptios via the mail given in this topic. But don't expect a reply, I don't think they has access to a 3 years old report.

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The HedgeFx UID was created in 2018 two months after P2Pfinder last posted.



The P2Pfinder account "woke up" in late 2021 not early 2021.  HOWEVER, from the partial screen shot you provide it suggests the ban occurred in 2020.  I can't recall seeing one of these banners before, so I can only surmise that is the reason for the "2020".

Your own version of the thread was started 2019-11-20, 22:16:59 and ended just ten posts later on 2020-04-24, 01:14:33 when an accusation with screen shot was made.

2020 is "probably" when the P2Pfinder UID was banned but I'm not privy to that information.  You will have seen that @Xal0lex had a look for information but may have been looking in 2018 not 2020 as you suggest.

24 hours after P2Pfinder started the two "HedgeFx" threads in different sections of the forum there was a scam accusation against user SimpleFX who you had identified as a business partner and you dropped them from your venture.

SimpleFX https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/simplefx-512996

Remarkably, they continue to trade with their own ventures here in the forum

I will still considered it as ban evasion no matter when both account was created or what are the names used on those accounts. With that being said as per the forum rules, the chance of this account getting banned is higher. Although just like what above said, feel free to appeal the ban.

Ban punishment is address to the owner of the account and not to the Bitcointalk account only otehrwise there will be no ban evasion violation here in the forum. You admit the ownership to both account which means the two account is connected and will share ban punishment. You are now posting outside the Meta and blatantly breaking the ban evasion rule. I think you are just attracting the mods to ban your current account with this ban appeal request since you already commit the violation before you file an appeal. Still Good luck to you.