Topic: [BAN APPEAL] UID: 1047338 / 2221175 (Read 973 times)

Agree with you, infact I didn't include in my answer any emoji, lol, rofl or namecalling of any kind.
Accusing someone of being an alt of someone else without even dedicating few minutes, as you did, to realize what you are talking about is ridicolous in itself.

I'm inclined to give Timelord the benefit of the doubt, he's been helpful to me in the past and I truly believe his heart is the right place.  I will say that when I was new here he and I had at least one spat (maybe more.)  I might even still have the "post-it-note" on my trust wall as a reminder.

I don't understand why he's as focused on you as he is, but he seems to have his reasons.  Maybe he's still not convinced that you had no part in that ponzi scheme thingy.  I think he's wrong, and I bet he'll recognize it eventually.  Just be patient.

I am very annoyed with timelord behavior.
I feel offended by these constant accusations and by the fact that this user complains about everything I do, questioning not only me but above all those who deal with me.

I don't have the information that you have, but I agree there's nothing to suggest that the two accounts are connected.  As for the information he had, we're all in the same boat, i.e. we don't know what we don't know.  He posted his question, I responded, then he thanked me for the information.  Seems to me that he recognized his error in this case.  I don't know if that means he's done looking into HedgeFx, but if he needs more corrections in the future we'll be here to help.

Not meant as ridicule, if he doesn't know what he's doing he shouldn't accuse based in the information he thinks he has is all. Not to mention I know for a fact he is 100% wrong here as far as the loan goes. I cannot say anything regarding the accounts being connected.

I don't like ridiculing people for their lack of shitcoin knowledge, this is The Bitcoin Forum after all.  I've never used Tron, and had to dig around for a few minutes to find the information I posted above.  It's understandable that a bitcoiner finds it difficult to wrap their head around smart-contract shitcoinery.

If you don't know what you're doing, better to not do it. FYI I talk with hopenotlate on telegram a shitload. He is not HedgeFx, not even close. What's the reason for this witch hunt you appear to be on?

Again, and for the third time, put your money where your mouth is : with the ongoing one it is the third time I loan 500 usdt on tron network to user HedgeFx.
Your accuses of me being the same person as HedgeFx are plain bullshit.
Lets bet $1500 ( the total amount lent out to that user by me) or whatever greater amount your are comfortable with, I can demonstrate tx really happened and your are talking bullshit about me.

PS : before acting as forum police at least try to have a clue on how a usdt transaction on tron network works.

Hey thanks for answering my question and pointing that out.

The link you provided only shows Tron transactions.  There was no inbound Tron transaction for receiving the USDT.  There was an outbound Tron transaction (gas) when he sent or exchanged the coins.

This link shows the transfers tab, and it shows that the address received 500 Tether at 14:12:06 UTC on 21 July 2023

https://tronscan.org/#/address/TFqN1GmbXtQNZu1BsuhrExzpKLszXBfQ4U/transfers

HedgeFx has engaged in some sleight of hand with a ban evading thread asking for another loan - take a good look at the wallet address that the lender has quoted and claims to have paid the borrower $500 into

https://tronscan.io/#/address/TFqN1GmbXtQNZu1BsuhrExzpKLszXBfQ4U

Two days ago there were two dust transactions TO that wallet address, then $500 went FROM that address to another wallet address. (see below)  

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Eleven minutes later, HedgeFx claims to have received the payment - how? The funds went FROM the wallet address he was asking they be sent TO.  The outbound occurred hours *after* HedgeFx claims to have received $500 (but didn't).

https://ninjastic.space/search?title=HedfeFX <-- Misspell their own profile name  

https://ninjastic.space/post/62582475 - (The actual post was deleted by mods due to ban evasion).

I agree with you because the moderators of our forum do not make any unfair decisions and that's why they have to study each case carefully before coming up with a conclusion. In the case of HedgeFx, I suppose he will get another chance because he's been contributing fairly to the forum for a long time and he hasn't done any activity that could go against the rules of the forum. I know that there's something with ban evasion, but the user has been dealing fairly for a long time and that's why such a user deserves at least a second chance.

I'm waiting for HedgeFX to repay his loan so once again the members can see that how honest he is with the forum and with the ones who trusted him. The lenders have lent him money because they knew that the user is honest and would repay the money including interest on time. I know that this time things might be a little tough for him, but I'm quite sure that he will clear up his image once again. I hope things will be good for him because he hasn't scammed or done anything wrong with anyone on this forum. However, the final decision is still in the hands of the admins and moderators.

Mate just leave HedgeFx alone, and apologize to both HegdeFx & alterra57 and start focus on things you like and speak and hang out with people you like.
I promise after a week, you will feel so much happier.  

Me and HegdeFx don't come along so well, but that's no reason for stalking him and being rude and try to push him down, in the end it will only be me that losing on it. Why would I want to spend my time on negative things?
Focus on happy things   of course I am not god's son myself, but I try to improve everyday, you can to Time! You can to.

Lets be fair we both know that Hedge ain't a scammer and he's not an idiot either, or spammer. He don't deserve to get banned from this forum.

I believe it's handled on case by case basis.

Some members get banned, some don't get banned, other's get unbanned, others don't get unbanned even when they appeal and get some support from other members. I mean, lately, it is so hard to know the rule book the mods go by.'

Personally, I think OP has been given a second chance, though he won't be told so directly.

I'm not the one who is owed money

Nore am I the one who has, by their own admission, knowingly evaded a ban for the last two plus years offering nothing in the way of a defense.

This forum is not an antagonist that wouldn't support the progress of any member to reach his desired goal as long as we are law abiding, as long as the forum remains, no any offenders or abusers of the law go unpunished without receiving the repercussion for their actions, that same thing we give out is what we wouldn't love to see coming back on us, we are exposed enough to start thinking of doing things the right way because when you're upright in your dealings, no one will ever make an attempt to challenge or accuse you on anything.

Have you tried contacting your local police department?

I'm guessing until the outstanding loan is repaid.

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In any event the evader has again breached the conditions of a ban appeal by again posting outside of this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ot-ma-non-troppo-sono-diventato-un-sr-member-5442010

HedgeFx, Any update regarding this case?

Since several days have passed, as far as I can see, there was no reaction from the moderator, the only thing we can conclude is that you will not get a new ban. I assume that you can leave this thread with your participation in the forum.

Does anyone have an idea how long the ban risk due to "ban evasion" can last in a case like this?

Dude, really nobody cares about your personal opinion. So, we'll see if you are at least consistent and apologize to @HedgeFX in case your personal opinion turns out to be wrong again.

At this point you are just desperate to make up more fairytales or even outright lies. You are about to ruin your reputation completely, you have attacked several established DT members with blunt lies, like here against me with your spammy off-topic nonsense, you even doubled down on it, lied again AND published private messages one-sidedly.
Your word is just not credible anymore, so more and more DT members are getting tired of your shit stirring nonsense.

Maybe you are the one who needs a 14 days vacation from the forum? Nothing of value would be lost, nobody would miss your attacks against HedgeFX, me or other members...  

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Regarding bans:

Bans are a controversial topic, no doubt about it.
But recently, Bitcointalk's rules haven't been enforced in full detail anyways, for example, where even clear cases of first offender accounts are not handled. So, maybe it's time to reconsider Bitcointalk's rules regarding bans as well.
Banning OP now, would make another appeal by him credible. Some people get banned, some not - an appeal against that would be very credible.

Finally, I believe there's little chance for OP to get banned considering how lenient bans have been enforced recently.
But maybe we can improve Bitcointalk's overall ban rules.

Here's how I would change Bitcointalk's ban rules:
- Scrap ban evasion and issue bans related to offenses of a particular account
- Scrap autoban
- Only issue a permaban for severe cases like attempted hacks, spreading malware etc.
- Issue a temp-ban (7, 14, 30, 90 days) followed by a 1 or 2 year sig ban (to target sigspammers) and give them their sig space back if they've still contributed during the sigban period - that way, these members could prove that they aren't just here to produce sigspam.
Done.

In my opinion, these changes would be positive for the forum without any side-effects.

And according to these rules, OP got his punishment by banning P2Pfinder account already.

I may have had my differences with a couple of admin/mods (which they initiated) but it would be an extraordinary blunder by them to NOT notice that P2Pfinder posted first - years earlier.

HOWEVER - if P2Pfinder was banned for copying another user's post as I'm begging to suspect, HedgeFx is remaining tight lipped about what that may have been. All HedgeFx has done in their defence is chant "Liar! Liar!" without offering any actual defence of their actions.

The forum admins aren't going to think about such things and whether or not a person has outstanding business with certain forum members.

If you are running a business, you usually have multiple ways of contact. The forum and the PM system is only one method. There are email, Telegram, social media, maybe colleagues and friends of the banned individual. Also, banned users can still log in and read forum threads, and if you send them a PM, they could read it. They wouldn't be able to respond, but they can read your message. If you have unfinished business, you could PM that person your email, Telegram...whatever and ask them to contact you that way.

I also remember a situation in the recent past where a campaign manager got a temp ban for 1-2 weeks. He asked a trusted forum member to handle his business during the time he was gone and resumed normal activities once the temp ban expired.

If someone reports your post, the admin looking at the report might not know you are re-sharing your own content. Even if you do, you should post a link to where it originated from and avoid getting yourself in potential trouble. It's literally that simple, compared to having to explain that both accounts belong to you and wait for an unban. 

If resharing my own content considered as a palagrism that would be a stupid thing.

And it's not true because willi already posted his group run text more than 43 times and it's going fine.

Liar. Liar and looser.

You are not satisfied , true? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62553126

Looser, again

What is your obsession with smearing the reputation of this user? It's already cost you a good chunk of your own reputation, yet you continue to dig the hole deeper. What they take loans for is none of your business.

For everyone else reading this: this is a prime example of how not to act on this forum. Nobody who has not broken any law or scammed anyone deserves to have their privacy invaded and their reputation smeared like this. Don't be a Timelord.

The OP themself said their *cough* business venture was an abject failure so the only achievement to their name is a hand full of merits and a history of overdue loans mostly taken out hours after they repaid the previous loans (an indication of a gambling habit and or living beyond their means if nothing else)

It's just a classification made by the account owner, the forum rules won't take that into consideration, basically the violator is the same people using those accounts.
After all, accounts that are active now are also used for business if I look at the post history.

Now I understand, I think there are lot of people are yet to get this part of the rules.
But if may also asked again what about their businesses that is ongoing here in the forum maybe there are some people who already negotiated on a deal with would their clients be affected as well, Like, after their business account is being ban and no means of communication won't they label the account owner as scammer?
Sorry I am really disturbing you with question, and let see what could be the end result from the mod and admin.

- Maybe off topic, but not sure -

This confirm that Timelord post all only with the hope that I don’t repay the loan.
No worries bro (Timelord), I’m in touch with lender on telegram, so ban or not ban the loan will be repaid, and you will remain a poor looser ( far far away from DT trust list).

Handling a report is not an easy task for the mod especially if its related to plagiarism cause they need to be sure that its actually plagiarized content with clear evidence it is going to be easy for them however due to the load they might miss it, imagine they need to review thousands of reports every day for various reasons.

AFAIK, once the mod confirms the content is completely plagiarized with intention not by mistake the post will be deleted along with permanent ban, no warning as far as I remember.

There's no way for the mods to miss those reports, if they miss it they should be fired because they're not professional. Most of the case when you report the plagiarized post, the mods will delete it, but they will not ban the account especially if the account is high rank.

I can understand about the second chance, but I still remember there was an user plagiarized 7 posts and the reporter post in the different time frame. That's like the mods give the user for third chance, obviously not fair with user which get banned easily by plagiarized one short post.

So the right thing is to ban all the offenders who violated the plagiarism rule and if the admin or Global mod thinks that the person may deserve a second chance due to the contribution towards the forum then they can give an excuse for them.

Probably mods missed those reports that is why bthose users are yet to be banned but if we report them then it is likely to receive their perma ban. Well, let's see what is the opinion of mod about this cases!

The reasons why the accounts were created and how they are being used doesn't matter. Like I said, what matters is the person behind them.

Imagine that a user has 4 Bitcointalk accounts.
- Main account
- Account they use when they are on the phone
- Account for when they are travelling and outside of the country
- Business account

If any of the 4 accounts gets banned, the ban will apply to all accounts. The account owner and all their forum activities are affected by that ban, not just what they do with one account. That's the theory. In practice, it may look different.

Again, you wrote a non sense that your actions are made only by hate.

I’m free to act on Bitcoin . Com or on other forum with username as I want, and there HedgeFx was only to promote a service.

As you can see on Bitcoin. Com Hedgefx made few posts Long time ago. Don’t have a feeling (as many users here) with Bitcoin. Com .

You made other accusations ( exness employee) that proof as out of mind you are.

Stop to make inconsistent accusations against me.

The second account was never a personal account.  If you look at bitcoin dot com you will see twice a user "HedgeFx" starts an identical thread to the banned P2Pfinder - the first just ninety minutes after two were created in different sections of the forum here.

2017-12-12 bitcointalk dot org (by P2pfinder)


bitcoin dot com (90 minutes later) (by HedgeFx) Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:59 pm

[ANN] ⚡️ HedgeFX Trading & Investments ⚡️ - Archive [1] [2]



Same use of email the two UID use here [email protected] and the same twitter account https://twitter.com/HedgeCryFx - we also have a sample of their handwriting and their Exness Ltd account number ( 7425727 ) - (It'd be funny if HedgeFx is an employee of Exness Ltd and using their work computers for a little bit of trading on the side) 

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The second time user HedgeFx starts the thread on bitcoin dot com was in July 2018

⚡️ HedgeFX Trading & Investments ⚡️ - Archive [1] [2]



November 2019 here on the Forum by HedgeFx.

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Remember this:


HedgeFx was created     2018-06-19, 21:50:33 and a month later on bitcoin dot com the "other" HedgeFx re-posts the P2Pfinder thread but it would be nearly 18 months before *this* HedgeFx gets around to revisiting that thread which contradicts their assertion of offering their services here with the new account.

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If HedgeFx is such a great guy he should repay the outstanding loan immediately and await judgement (or is he afraid he'll be banned once the loan(s) are repaid ??)

What scam? I can't see HedgeFx has done any scam on this website until days date, to his trading business is a huge "!!" its not any 100% proof for a scam.
Just because you are a bad trader and liar does not mean you are a scammer.



You complain so much about Timelord's behaviour but you act the same way yourself when you got questions about your very strange questionable "trading business".



If you would not have any intentions, then you should have log out from here and stop using this forum long time ago.



I don't think you should get banned for this, and I don't think you will, but should you? Maybe....


BUT if its for this reason:



At least in my opinion (that is not worth anything); You should definitely not get banned for plagiarism yourself, if this it's true, that is only a if it's is.

The account recovery team is only limited to recover hacked, lost accounts? I hope they are not. They did a great job when I had my account hacked.

It was obvious that the user had no idea how ban thing works or in other thread he would not tell everything openly. At least for the honesty he should not be banned. Although it looks like a clear ban evasion case. We are people, the average people, who make mistakes but as long as we are honest we should get our chances.

I vouch your thought too.

Yes, that's the correct explanation of a ban which isn't even a matter of multiple accounts. There are users on the forum having multiple account and none of them is having any issue with multiple accounts. For example of the most respectable members LoyceV is having an alt account with the name LoyceMobile, and he's using the accounts without any issue because he isn't doing anything that's against the forum rules.

There is no rule which prohibits using of alternative accounts and a user can create and use as many alt-accounts as he/she possibly can. However, if any of the accounts is banned due to rule breaking or any other activity which is strongly prohibited and disliked in this forum, then all of the accounts should stop posting on the forum unless the users creates a ban appeal and the administrators accept that appeal. If a user is still operating any of those accounts even if his/her one account is banned then the person is basically ban evading, and that's not a good act at all.

In this case the HedgeFX's alt-account P2Pfinder was banned from forum, however despite the ban the user was still using the other account without creating a ban appeal for his banned account. In this case we can also conclude that the user was somehow evading the ban. However, I have seen this user posting many good and helpful posts on the forum, and he was using the forum as a good member. He was very active in lending board and he has taken many loans from lenders and repaid with interest on time.

That's why I think a user like HedgeFX deserves a chance, like @1miausaod there are many users which have been reported for plagiarism and some of them are still using the forum without any issues. I think anyone who has been using the forum in a good manner and is helping members of the forum with his/her knowledge should be given a chance after a ban. However, the final decision is always in the hands of the administrators, and if they give this user a chance then he will be able to use the forum once again without any issue, but if they condemned the user then that's also their decision.

I think I keeps learning everyday, never knew about this section of the rules but I am grate is from a reputable member telling me this and again I have added this to my dictionary for future use.
But from what op is saying, there seems to be a big different between the both account as the already ban account was a business account while other was a personal account does this also applicable to both account?
Sorry to ask much because I really want to get a clarification since I don't know everything in the forum.

This isn't a question about the right to have multiple accounts or not. Owning alt accounts isn't against any forum rules.
This case is about a person who had one of their forum accounts banned. A ban doesn't apply to just one account, it applies to the person operating it. That means if one of your accounts gets banned, then all of them are banned because you (the person using the accounts) are banned.

Was it advisable to sent out unsolicited pm to people in the forum without their concept?
To me that alone is a very bad reason, why would send out pm to people randomly without their permission or even keep sending overly. The receiver might get angry and report your account for that singular acts.
But however, is there any rule that says having multiple account prohibited in this forum?

It is certain that there are plenty of those who have been banned, but have continued with another account and try not to show any connection with their previous appearance here on the forum. Bypassing the rules and I'm not sure that it is possible to prevent such a thing.


The only thing I know is that Cyrus is somewhat present on the unofficial forum Discord channel. Maybe he should try it there. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-halving-party-discord-server-5247383

The forum has always been inconsistent in that regard, this wouldn't be a first. It took us (the Croatian board) 2 years to successfully appeal a ban for one of our quality members. On the other hand, other users who committed the same mistakes got reinstated quickly or weren't bad at all. I am guessing knowing the right admin or having contact with them over whatever social media they use can speed things up.

Because you can't ban HedgeFX if there are still numerous other cases, where the evidence is completely clear, that these Accounts committed Plagiarism. If you ban HedgeFX now but don't ban the open cases of first offener Accounts, that's completely inconsistent. Especially considering that ban evading has been enforced pretty arbitrarily recently. Maybe that rule is inactive for now as getting an Account banned once is punishment enough for most cases.

Why does he hate you so much?

From what I can tell it all started with him coming to the (incorrect) conclusion that you are behind or involved in some kind of TRON Ponzi scheme, which he made from needlessly digging around in the affairs of lenders. When his conclusions were proven to be baseless, he started looking for other ways to assail your character, eventually digging up your connection to this P2PFinder account.

You've been very upfront about the nature of your former business and what happened with it, and it seems to have very little to do with what you do on the forum now. You're not part of a sig campaign, your alt appears to have been banned at least a few years ago, and you've maintained a good reputation since then.

Granted, continuing on with an alt account after your first account was banned wasn't an ideal course of action, but I don't think casual forum users should be expected to have intricate knowledge of the forum rules in that regard. Hopefully your first account will be unbanned even if you have no further plans to use it.

You was removed from DT list for your inconsistent accusations, and in this post you confirm what kind of person you are.

You accusing me to be related with other accounts HFS / hedge / hedgepay etc only by the name. I’m not relate with this. I’ve no idea who they are or what they do. Is the same as I accuse you of being connected with all accounts containing the word “time” or “lord” : no , I’m not so stupid - you are such stupid.

Again you accuse me of scam that are only in your fantasy. You continue to write that I scam people only because you hate me. This kind of accusation will drive you so far from be a trustable member , and each stupid accusations you wrote put the DT list so far from you.

I agree with above members. there's no such business or personal account, you're the one who control both of the accounts, so both of your accounts should receive a same punishment.

Based on my observation, there was no scam, cheat, crime etc that related with unethical or illegal activities. You've ask many loans and paid it accordingly. Currently, I see you're a good person and could be trusted.

I think permanent banned isn't really a fair punishment, I'd say temporary signature ban for 1-2 years are enough.

In my opinion, that is not consistent with the ban being to the person, not the account. That's why banned people are only allowed to create an alt to appeal their ban.

What do first time offender cases have to do with this one of someone who has already been banned?

In the case of this thread we are talking about a full member account, which at a good pace can take 4 months to return to that rank with a new account, so we could understand that he has received a temporary punishment of 4 months. However, following what you say, being banned would take no punishment, especially for low-ranked accounts. So a newbie or jr member who is banned, to escape the ban they would just have to create another account. What would be the punishment they would receive?

As has been canvased in another thread, the current lender has been aware for over a week.

Plus, as you raise the issue - when can the ban evasion be talked about given the borrower takes out fresh loans hours after repaying the previous loans?  Are you saying it is okay to turn a blind eye to ban evasion because the borrower is constantly borrowing funds?

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Getting back to the actual investigation, I've checked and there are two posts that have been deleted according to BPIP.org on the now banned account - it could be one of those two?  The profile you are using now has had four posts deleted by admin/mods, so it may be one of those that you refer to in the OP>

I see you used the telegram handle HedgeCryFx in your threads - can you confirm the Forum user HedgeCryFx was created by you?

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While we are on the subject of alts - what about HedgeFundX ?? They only post twice, but their first post is enlightening: Archive [1] [2]


I've highlighted the HFX that is used twice in this thread from 2016 - Twelve month later in 2017 P2Pfinder is spawned and the HFX is the avatar:



Three days earlier HFX was spawned Registration Date:6/27/2017 12:37:55 PM (Active 2016 days ago)
HedgeCryFx Registration Date:6/30/2017 5:30:09 PM (Active 2109 days ago)

hfxtoken could also be an alt given the very similar user name.

The second and only other post by HedgeFundX is to promote HPay

GOOD NEWS! ON 3RD NOV. YOU CAN PURCHASE HPAY AT ZERO TAX! - Archive [1] [2]

and as you might have guessed already - there are two registered users with that user name:

HPay Registration Date:9/3/2020 9:13:31 AM (Active 952 days ago)
hpay6234  Registration Date:1/18/2016 12:28:37 AM (Active 2730 days ago)

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I've also highlighted in orange where hedge fund is spelt both joined as in hedgefund and separate words as in hedge fund.

There's a

hedgefund Registration Date:3/26/2016 5:02:52 AM (Active 2665 days ago) and ten days earlier there was a
HedgeFundX Registration Date:3/16/2016 11:54:04 PM (Active 2674 days ago)

These two UID were registered a year before P2P so they blow HedgeFx's assertion out of the water that they took their current user profile on a whim and only copied their previous alts thread later on.


No. No it wasn't.  Read on:

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More recently, we find hedgepay has been spawned Registration Date:3/30/2022 5:32:59 PM (Active 245 days ago)

As with the other "two post hedge's", this one starts a venture that has similarities to the others: (far too long to quote)

HedgePay: Your One-Step Investment Toward Financial Freedom - Archive [1] [2]

According to https://www.whois.com/whois/hedgepay.org the domain was first registered on the Creation Date: 2021-10-28T15:42:13Z



There are ten days difference between that websites registration and a userthat "hedge" who woke up. This is months before the corresponding name was registered on the forum.

P2Pfinder woke up on the first of October 2021 and discovered they were banned 10/1/2021 7:02:19 PM    woke up then set about registering thevdimain and waiting until things cooled down before registering the new UID in March 2023.
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https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hedge



Remember this: ??


HedgeFx / P2P / hedge / hedgepay etc has been building this scam undetected for the last nine years and is well and truly guilty of ban evasion.  Their profile isn't for personal use. Never was.

Shasan loan was repaid… https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62545125
Again timelord was wrong about my intentions

If I do care for real about the form and I want to report a violation I will at least wait to see the guy paying back the loans first then I will start the topic you started but what you did means that you don't care about the community just want him banned no matter borrowers get their money back first or not and for this clear intention I am strongly against banning hedge fx because you are not doing it for the forum at least in my opinion.

Thank @1miau for support, thanks to others for contributions.

I feel sad , I feel bad. I feel as I walk on the green mile.

Hope my journey here should continue .

Considering how many first offender accounts are still not banned, even if there's crystal clear evidence, like here, here or here, banning HedgeFX after his alt P2Pfinder got already banned, would be very inconsistent. Even first offenders don't get banned if there's crystal clear evidence.

Basically, P2Pfinder / HedgeFX got his initial punishment already by getting P2Pfinder banned and after that, HedgeFX learned from that mistake.
In my opinion, there's enough punishment already by banning P2Pfinder.
I'm not a friend of this ban evasion rules anyways, especially because it has been enforced on a very irregular basis and it's pointless for this autoban bullshit anyways.

And with all those first offender accounts still not banned, banning HedgeFX and basically giving a double punishment to OP, would be very inconsistent in my opinion.


My position: no ban for HedgeFX.  


Just my 2 sats.  

I just checked the post history and I didn't see many post so I don't think the account is banned for plagiarism. I think it's sending unsolicited PMs. I don't see any posts that are plagiarized on P2pfinder's post history. Maybe OP forgot about negative tags and how it is used when someone found a scammer. I am quite surprised when OP explained why HedgeFXl shouldn't be banned when using different account even when you have other account that is banned is considered as ban evasion even no matter what forum name or username someone use.

A scam accusation or even a proven scam is not a reason why members get banned from Bitcointalk. If you scammed someone from either of your accounts, you would "only" have been negatively tagged by DT members if they believe there are valid reasons for such tags. You got banned for something else. Plagiarism, spamming, posting malware, or sending unsolicited PMs are the most common reasons. 

I do not think it matters in your case. If one of your accounts is banned, then all the others are automatically considered ban evaders—regardless of when they were created or which account was registered first. If your account has been banned due to plagiarism, I highly doubt that there will be any possibility of having your ban lifted.

Do you remember sending out PMs to promote your services ? 


You may have been banned for plagiarism your own post. But there is a problem :
The first post is from P2Pfinder: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.26208188
The 2nd post is from HedgeFx: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53128526 / https://ninjastic.space/post/53128526
Logically, it's the HedgeFx account that would have been banned for plagiarism.

P2Pfinder's last post was made before the creation of the HedgeFx account, so it's unlikely that P2Pfinder plagiarized a post from HedgeFx.

The banappeals mail you see on the P2Pfinder account is probably no longer valid. Try contacting cryptios via the mail given in this topic. But don't expect a reply, I don't think they has access to a 3 years old report.

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The HedgeFx UID was created in 2018 two months after P2Pfinder last posted.



The P2Pfinder account "woke up" in late 2021 not early 2021.  HOWEVER, from the partial screen shot you provide it suggests the ban occurred in 2020.  I can't recall seeing one of these banners before, so I can only surmise that is the reason for the "2020".

Your own version of the thread was started 2019-11-20, 22:16:59 and ended just ten posts later on 2020-04-24, 01:14:33 when an accusation with screen shot was made.

2020 is "probably" when the P2Pfinder UID was banned but I'm not privy to that information.  You will have seen that @Xal0lex had a look for information but may have been looking in 2018 not 2020 as you suggest.

24 hours after P2Pfinder started the two "HedgeFx" threads in different sections of the forum there was a scam accusation against user SimpleFX who you had identified as a business partner and you dropped them from your venture.

SimpleFX https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/simplefx-512996

Remarkably, they continue to trade with their own ventures here in the forum

I will still considered it as ban evasion no matter when both account was created or what are the names used on those accounts. With that being said as per the forum rules, the chance of this account getting banned is higher. Although just like what above said, feel free to appeal the ban.

Ban punishment is address to the owner of the account and not to the Bitcointalk account only otehrwise there will be no ban evasion violation here in the forum. You admit the ownership to both account which means the two account is connected and will share ban punishment. You are now posting outside the Meta and blatantly breaking the ban evasion rule. I think you are just attracting the mods to ban your current account with this ban appeal request since you already commit the violation before you file an appeal. Still Good luck to you.

It does not matter which account was created before the other as long as two accounts were linked together and one of it was already banned from the forum, then it's an automatic ticket for ban evasion, it's not the account that was being banned but the person in charge of the control of the two accounts connected, i expect you to have known this that ban evasion is not a negotiable business on the forum, but you may try you luck by sending a ban appeal to the provided email displayed.

Hi to all,

I hope to be clear and understandable in what I write.

WHAT HAPPENED : A ban evasion charge has been filed against me (HedgeFX - https://bpip.org/Profile?id=2221175 ) regarding my "Business" account (P2PFinder - https://bpip.org/Profile?id=1047338) - Here accusation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62537818
 
WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT P2PFinder: As i wrote, P2Pfinder was created as a "Business Account" just with the hope to promote a trading service. The kind of service offered wasn't appreciated and results wasn't good too. P2PFinder never scammed anyone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1047338), but trading results was bad, and this idea was abandoned. Account Was Banned in 2020 - So about 2 year after i registered and started to post with HedgeFx. I don't know the real reason for ban, but i think it was due to some PM i sent to some users or plagiarims (maybe against HedgeFX???) - No message or warnig was sent about ban. I discovered this only at early 2021.

WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HedgeFx: HedgeFx was created as personal account. For a while it offered the same service as  P2PFinder, but then due to poor results the idea was abandoned and all service was suspended more thand 3 years ago. When I created HedfeFx account I could have chosen any Usermane, but I chose HedgeFX precisely because I didn't scam or fool anyone and and I liked to keep my name as promoted on P2PFinder. Account was registered on June 2018 ((https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1047338) and it became my only account, as I preferred to use my name directly to offer my trading services.

WHY HEDGEFX SHOULD NOT BE BANNED Simply because HedgeFx registered his account and started posting on the forum long before P2Pfinder was banned. No intention to evade or circumvent the rules has been placed in the behavior of Hedgefx. If HedgeFx had wanted to evade the ban or break the rules, it would have been enough to choose another name instead of Hegdefx.

PROOF THAT THE BAN HAPPENED AFTER HEDGEFX REGISTRATION Here a screenshot in wich you can see clearly the reference year of the Ban and the possible reason. I have obscured the second part of the email code for privacy reasons and to prevent other people from using this email to make requests.



CONCLUSION There was no intention to evade the BAN. The accounts posted at different times and before the BAN. I hope I have been exhaustive enough, and I remain available for any advice.