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Topic: Bank Crisis Hits India, Many Accounts Wiped Out, People Left With Nothing - page 2. (Read 441 times)

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Absolutely! Not only the Central Bank of India is to be blamed but I guess the Government of India and all its regulating bodies that have failed to do their part should be blamed as well!

But on the brighter side, I assume the Indian Government will further strengthen and improve their regulations and learn lessons from this incident to prevent it from ever happening again in the future or at the very least minimize the possibility of its occurrence - thus making their banking system more robust to retain the confidence of its stakeholders.

I don't know how you can blame the government when this scam was perpetrated by a few high ranking bank official with no links to any of the political parties. I would rather congratulate the government for acting quickly and arresting the accused before they were able to flee to safe heavens (as many of the criminals have done in the past). The government also froze the stolen assets, so that the account holders could be reimbursed for their losses.

I guess I'll stand by my opinion to blame the  Indian government since I believe they have the duty and obligation to protect their citizens from this kinds of frauds in the banking sector even if they are not directly linked to that fraud. But unfortunately, India's regulating bodies and other Government entities with banking jurisdiction failed to prevent this incident probably because of poor implementation of rules and regulation in accordance with it accepted banking policies and standards.

As per the latest updates, the government has recovered around 80% of the stolen amount and this will be reimbursed to the users sometime soon. And many of the scammers are likely to forfeit their own fortunes, in return for a milder punishment. Therefore I expect the victims to be compensated in the range of 90% to 100%, and here I would be rather praising the government rather than complaining about it.

Is that so? If this is true, then I must commend the Indian Government for this swift action but I doubt the depositors will be compensated by more than 90 percent since the bank had already been drained with NPL and its depositors only have limited depository insurance but not unless the Government will intervene and absorb all the banks liabilities which I also doubt will not likely to happen.

Also, maybe you could provide us links to the latest updates for reference. Smiley

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To be blamed most is the India's central banks failure to put monitoring mechanisms in place. learning from this incident they ought to tighten their rules.  This is a lesson that no investment is 100% safe be it crypto or not.

Absolutely! Not only the Central Bank of India is to be blamed but I guess the Government of India and all its regulating bodies that have failed to do their part should be blamed as well!

But on the brighter side, I assume the Indian Government will further strengthen and improve their regulations and learn lessons from this incident to prevent it from ever happening again in the future or at the very least minimize the possibility of its occurrence - thus making their banking system more robust to retain the confidence of its stakeholders.

I don't know how you can blame the government when this scam was perpetrated by a few high ranking bank official with no links to any of the political parties. I would rather congratulate the government for acting quickly and arresting the accused before they were able to flee to safe heavens (as many of the criminals have done in the past). The government also froze the stolen assets, so that the account holders could be reimbursed for their losses.

As per the latest updates, the government has recovered around 80% of the stolen amount and this will be reimbursed to the users sometime soon. And many of the scammers are likely to forfeit their own fortunes, in return for a milder punishment. Therefore I expect the victims to be compensated in the range of 90% to 100%, and here I would be rather praising the government rather than complaining about it.
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One the reasons why banks are avoided by some people most fraud acts or stealing in banks comes way inside from the management it self. There had been a lot of issues within banks even in our country where some remittances or even funds from personal accounts of their depositors are being credited without them knowing and what is crazy about this bank employees would even show  that withdrawals had been signed that is why no disute can be done or the most common one would be banks delaying tactics where they would say they would investigate about it. Do not trust banks with your funds.
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But why should the media be exposing how the banks are incompetent? The banks are the most powerful entity in this world. They control governments, they can also control the media more easily. News will come out of banks' shady transactions and extreme failures when they are about to explode already and they cannot contain it anymore because sooner or later the public will still know.
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This is the reason why I don't fully trust the banks even outside from the India. Even though there is a lot of people that keep on saying that the banks are safer than other type of storing our money, I don't follow their advice because I know that there is a possibility for them to just completely shutdown and that is the reason why I only put at least 3-6 months total of my monthly expenses in the bank and the rest of my money are invested in assets that are liquid enough to preserve my wealth.
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Whether people realize it, similar scenarios are playing out across the world. Banks are becoming insolvent and adopting questionable unethical policies on their depositors in an effort to cover costs. This has been an ongoing theme for a long time. Something that has not necessarily been fully addressed even after the 2008 economic crisis. Like Paul Krugman said: "kick the can down the road" (leave the real problems for someone imaginary person in the future to fix).

Unfortunate for us, while mainstream media spams us with stories about bitcoin being a bubble. There is very little coverage on banks all over the world imploding and needing to be bailed out and saved from their own mismanagement and poor decisions. This has a tendency to give people flawed opinions on the effectiveness of state imposed regulation as well as the claimed stability and reliability of traditional financial institutions like banks.

This does feel like some sort of sick throwback to the 2008 GFC, doesn't it?

Banks investing in high risk high return assets for the sake of giving off the appearance of profitability, while ending up with toxic assets on their balance sheets which they grossly over-report in terms of their mark-to-model values... Sound familiar yet? Hmm... I wonder what could go wrong.

People seem to feel like bank insolvency would no longer be an issue after the strengthening of regulations after the GFC, but it is still very possible and even likely in some countries. And yes, you're right in pointing out how mainstream media seem to put no emphasis on this news while grilling BTC for absolutely no reason.
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To be blamed most is the India's central banks failure to put monitoring mechanisms in place. learning from this incident they ought to tighten their rules.  This is a lesson that no investment is 100% safe be it crypto or not.

Absolutely! Not only the Central Bank of India is to be blamed but I guess the Government of India and all its regulating bodies that have failed to do their part should be blamed as well!

But on the brighter side, I assume the Indian Government will further strengthen and improve their regulations and learn lessons from this incident to prevent it from ever happening again in the future or at the very least minimize the possibility of its occurrence - thus making their banking system more robust to retain the confidence of its stakeholders.
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This is really a sad and uncalled miss happening in India where the banking sector has been witnessing worse things by the day over the last couple of years. The Reserve Bank of India kind of needs to be held accountable here too as they could've prevented this if they took the right actions when signs of a scandal like this seemed likely.

Then again, giving ₹25,000 as compensation is like throwing a nickel into a beggar's bowl which already had $5000+ stolen off of. I really hope these woes end with the accused on the run being put behind bars and the rightful people getting their monies back.

This is really unfortunate that the institution you trusted your money is the one who robs you.This is intentional, a clear fraud by hiding their bad loans,creating fake clients,  to paint a good record so that they can attract more investors ad depositors. Hope people high ranking officials who where involved get punish and serve in jail.

This is also the reason  why  cryptocurrencies, become popular especially to the young.
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It may be rather ungrateful to evaluate the state of the Indian banking system on just one case, but it is strange that this bank managed to do things like this and was able to create 21 000 fictitious accounts to hide bad business. This shows us that actually control of the central bank failed in his work, or at least it was late to prevent financial malversations.

When asked why people still keep money in banks, most say that it is still the safest way (for them). And given the attitude of the Indian government towards cryptocurrency, I think it's hard to expect people to change their minds and turn to something else, especially towards Bitcoin, which is still too complicated for most.

In my opinion, any investment is a risk, but I think that keeping money in banks at times like this is an even bigger risk. In some countries (EU) state guarantees for the funds up to a certain amount, so even if banks fail the client is insured against loss.

This stuff is not unique - Wells Fargo of the United States also got caught making ficticious accounts and they got fined $100 million and had to pay back $2.5 million to account holders who were defrauded.

The only difference between the US and India is that the American authorities crack down heavily when they can (American prosecutors can make their name and then go on to run for state Governor if they can take down a big name, so they have a big incentive to make sure these types of frauds get prosecuted).
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To be blamed most is the India's central banks failure to put monitoring mechanisms in place. learning from this incident they ought to tighten their rules.  This is a lesson that no investment is 100% safe be it crypto or not.
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This is really a sad and uncalled miss happening in India where the banking sector has been witnessing worse things by the day over the last couple of years. The Reserve Bank of India kind of needs to be held accountable here too as they could've prevented this if they took the right actions when signs of a scandal like this seemed likely.

Then again, giving ₹25,000 as compensation is like throwing a nickel into a beggar's bowl which already had $5000+ stolen off of. I really hope these woes end with the accused on the run being put behind bars and the rightful people getting their monies back.
The current situation is really very scary, because the whole world knows how people live in India and what difficulties they endure.  It seems to me that it is necessary to pay attention to all problems in India not only to international organizations, but also to the citizens of India themselves need to take the initiative.  We have already seen in many countries how people can solve problems and force their rulers to correct many mistakes and solve problems.
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This is really a sad and uncalled miss happening in India where the banking sector has been witnessing worse things by the day over the last couple of years. The Reserve Bank of India kind of needs to be held accountable here too as they could've prevented this if they took the right actions when signs of a scandal like this seemed likely.

Then again, giving ₹25,000 as compensation is like throwing a nickel into a beggar's bowl which already had $5000+ stolen off of. I really hope these woes end with the accused on the run being put behind bars and the rightful people getting their monies back.
Pab
legendary
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People are keeping money in banks because of no choice,because they are getting his salary via bank transfers to his accounts.Even that there is 10 mln unbanked people in USA.Just some days ago we had big 50bln repo .50 bln dollars was injected in banking system because of no liquidity.Similar was in 2007.What happen next we very well know.Last time there was 20 bln dollar Russian money laundering done by big banks from USA and EU
There is possible to add even more to that list.But banks are still sacred cows and they can always count on Central Banks help
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In overall people who are in government, have great wage, great apartments and what's the main subject is that they have huge influence on everything and to be fair rules that are written in overall on people, are sometimes ignored on them because of their status and connections.
So in any way there is no crisis for them, they even make money from it.
I just wanted to say that and make clear that they do nothing for our wealth and India is doing very silly decisions. They decided to ban bitcoin and everything related to it (investment, holding), they even set jail on it so such country won't succeed in economy in overall andbank crisis doesn't dissapoint me at the moment.
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And it looks like the government authorities have already moved in to limit the losses. Most of the accused are in police custody (Joy Thomas, Waryam Singh, Rakesh Wadhawan and Sarang Wadhawan). The authorities have also frozen assets worth ₹35 billion, which covers almost 80% of the losses made by the PMC Bank (₹43.55 billion).
What i do not understand is what were the authorities doing when all these issues were happening, it is a corrupted country and hence there is nothing alarming. Found the following online and it looks like they were looting in broad day light.

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Two Rolls Royce cars worth nearly Rs 6 crore each and a Bentley Continental GT worth approximately Rs 2 crore were among a dozen cars seized. On Saturday the agency said it had also attached a private jet and jewelry worth Rs 60 crore.

If they are able to steal amounts like these from the bank, what about the balance sheets, they might be having links with the political system too and since the people started rioting the streets these came to light.
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This is a classic case of stirring the story in order to cover-up the damage dealt by the bankers in question. There are no 'banking system failure' just straight-up corruption from the big bosses and their accomplices. The reason why these banks manage to pull of such heinous and corrupt things is because the government allows them to have this freedom. Should governments be strict in banking entities, this would not happen--although let's face it, some government officials would likely join in the corruption in order to make money. Either way, money is lost, people are devastated and I think jail time isn't sufficient of a punishment to the people behind this. They just made some lives worse with what they did.
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this is may be the part of global liquidity crisis. the one feds trying to fight with daily repos
maybe it is enough to cool situation inside us, but I'm quite sure it is not enough to cool it outside..
and country with usd shortage will suffer hard, as well as banks in that country..

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Even though central bank has imposed certain restrictions upon handling of the bank to ensure the safety of money of the customers but still it's pretty defaming as to how such incidents can happen when these banks are to entrusted with people's money. Moreover central bank has also placed restrictions upon the withdrawals which people can make out of their accounts. But people don't know that bank's have the power to create money by the way of just a click. Just imagine when you pay using your credit card. There is no flow of money. Technically you just say bank you will pay in 30 days and bank pays to the person on your behalf. Now if you come down to withdraw money from bank savings account you can still withdraw it and so can that person to whom you have paid. Bank generally maintain only the necessary statutory liquidity rate requirements. This is really awful


I wouldn't call this as a major crisis.
I wouldn't either, but tell that to the customers involved.  They're the ones feeling the pain.
Yeah even though it's not one of the major banks and public dealing is pretty low but still anyone who has an account here has got a hit. Moreover what's the guarantee that this cannot happen to a bigger bank?
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Unfortunate for us, while mainstream media spams us with stories about bitcoin being a bubble.
Not that I listen to mainstream news sources, but I haven't heard any such stories these days about bitcoin being in a bubble.  If the media is writing stuff like that, they're out of touch with reality just a wee bit.  When bitcoin was surging toward $20k, it might have been true.  Right now?  Hell no.

Also, there have always been banks busted doing shady or even illegal things, and I'm not sure the situation these days is worse than 2008, nor are bank closures as frequent.  I remember back then that when I listened to Bloomberg radio, every day there were more and more banks getting shut down because of insolvency.  Maybe I ought to start listening to Bloomberg again, because I've been disconnected from the world of finance for years now. 

I wouldn't call this as a major crisis.
I wouldn't either, but tell that to the customers involved.  They're the ones feeling the pain.
legendary
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I wouldn't term this particular incident as banking system failure. I am well aware of this case and I personally know many of the victims. The problem occurred because 86% of the total loan size  was given to only one company known as HDIL which went bankrupt. The loan amount was used for buying ultra luxury cars and homes by the directors of the company without using it in the business. The chairman of the bank is directly involved in this scam which lead to a bigger problem and the bank is now not capable of fulfilling their liabilities.

So it's a classic case of corruption in India and not really a banking system failure! Obviously big political influence played a big role in this which will never come to light because the rulling party is involved with it!
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