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How many bitcoins did they end up with at the end of the games anyways.
Probably better than China in that they did very poor with the amount of athletes that they sent there in the first place. Roll Eyes
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I think IOC banned Russian parolympic team because they didn't managed to ban Russia from Rio Olympic games. I never heard that doping is often used in parolympic sports. But, if doping in Russia also often used in parolympic sports, well, it's more or less good desicion to ban them. Only sad for their clean athletes.
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Russia should just hold her own olympicdoping games
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I think most people know what is going on in the world but refuse to accept it.
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They shouldn't have banned Russia. The simply should have given everyone else a head start to make it fair.

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BADecker, that's actually a good suggestion - any athlete from any country, provably caught on doping use should be given a time start penalty or points penalty, but still allowed to compete.
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Removing a strong rival? Russia shocked by ‘cynical & political’ CAS ruling on Paralympic team ban
https://www.rt.com/sport/356863-paralympic-russia-reaction-rio/

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Russian Paralympic athletes and their coaches have reacted with shock and anger after the Court of Arbitration for Sport rejected an appeal on a blanket Rio ban. “They killed my dream” and “a humiliation of people with disabilities” were two of the responses from athletes.

CAS on Tuesday rejected an appeal over a decision to bar all Russian athletes from the Rio Paralympic Games, set to take place September 7-18. The appeal had been filed by the Russian Paralympic Committee (RPC).

The initial decision to suspend the Russian Paralympic Committee was taken unanimously by the International Paralympic Committee (IPC) on August 7.

‘Show me proof I’m guilty’

“My attitude? What attitude can a person have if a dream of their life… is killed …as if we are not humans?” a tearful Irina Vertinskaya, who was hoping to compete in the javelin and discus events, told RT.

The athlete has overcome immense personal hurdles to try and make it to Rio. She grew up in an orphanage and was adopted on three occasions, however each time she was sent back to the children’s home.

“Show me proof that I am guilty,” said Irina, apparently addressing the members of the Court of Arbitration for Sport. “Then I will believe that I am guilty.”

Eight-time Paralympic champion Oksana Savchenko, who competes in swimming events for the visually-impaired, called the decision “shocking.”

“We were sure that our [Russian Paralympic] team will go [to Rio]… For some of them the Rio Games would be the last.”

She added that the court decision was probably due to the fact that the Russian team has performed successfully in recent years.

Paralympic team swimming coach Yury Nazarenko said the Games would be ridiculous and dull without Russian athletes.

"…Over the past four years, our athletes and swimmers were among the world’s two strongest teams, and it is 60-70 percent of medals at the Paralympics,” he said.
The decision also came as a shock for running coach Elena Malchikova.

“We believed up to the last second that common sense would win,” she told RT. But the athletes shouldn’t give up, she said, adding that the Paralympians will “continue living and training.”

Winter Paralympic Games champion Roman Petushkov believes that the CAS move is a humiliation of Paralympic athletes.

“We are shocked [and] depressed. This is inhuman treatment and humiliation of people with disabilities... I believe we should fight and defend our rights to the end,” Petushkov, who won three gold medals and one silver in skiing events at Sochi 2014, told TV channel Rossiya 24.
‘An attempt to move a strong rival out of the way’

In upholding the IPC’s imposition of a blanket ban on Russia’s Paralympic team, CAS has made a politically-motivated decision, rather than a judicial ruling, Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko said.

“The ruling falls out of the legal framework: it is more political than judicial. There were no grounds to reject [the appeal]; but that’s what happened,” Mutko said.

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev called the CAS move “cynical” and a blow to all people with special needs.

"This is a doubly cynical decision since we are talking about people who overcome themselves on a daily basis. This is a blow to all people with disabilities, not only Russians," he wrote on Facebook.

“This decision makes it obvious that some of the leaders of the international Paralympic movement want to put a strong rival out of the way, as our team always takes high places in the ranking.”

“International sports federations are influenced by the ‘FIFA case’ and are scared by US trans-border justice. Some of them are paralyzed. That is why doping is quickly found in some countries and never in others,” Medvedev wrote in his Facebook post, stressing that “this is absolutely double standards.”

The Russian prime minister added that the story with Russian doping “is a thick and very disgusting cocktail made of 80 percent of politics and 20 percent of doping issues.”

Meanwhile, the Russian Interior Ministry said that the ban violates human rights.

"I want to look into the eyes of those people who took this decision. What is their attitude to the protection of rights of people with disabilities?” said Konstantin Dolgov, Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs human rights chief.

Isinbayeva also denounced the CAS decision as “unjust, unfair, as well as relentless and cruel.”

“We were expecting that most Paralympic team members would be allowed [to compete] but you see what happened. They made a terrible decision,” she told Russian media, adding that she personally shares the Paralympic athletes’ pain and sorrow.

“Every one of you is our pride, our hero … we are with you,” she added, calling on the athletes to “be strong.”

“Politics will end and sport will live on,” she also stressed, adding that “for Russia, you were, you are and you will be heroes.”
No evidence of Russian athletes doping – Russian Investigative Committee

No “concrete evidence” proving that Russian athletes have engaged in doping has been presented so far, Russia’s Investigative Committee said, commenting on the CAS decision concerning the Russian Paralympic team.

“Until now, the World Anti-Doping Agency has not provided any concrete evidence of Russian athletes doping. Moreover, the Investigative Committee’s requests for assistance [in this case] sent to Canada, the US, and Switzerland were left unanswered,” the Russian Investigative Committee’s spokesman, Vladimir Markin, told Russian media.

He also said that the Committee has no evidence of the involvement of Russian sports officials in distributing prohibited drugs to athletes. Markin stressed that Grigory Rodchenkov, the former head of Moscow’s anti-doping laboratory, who subsequently moved to the US and provided the information for Canadian law professor Richard McLaren’s report, was subordinate only to WADA and not to the Russian authorities, implying that it could have been some WADA officials that had ordered him to destroy the Russian athletes’ doping tests.


In the meantime, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has signed a decree suspending Russia’s financing of WADA. In the document, WADA was removed from the list of international organizations funded by Russia. Earlier, Russian Sport Minister Vitaly Mutko said Moscow might stop funding WADA if the rights of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) weren’t restored to their previous level.

By the way, I read the 200+ pages of the IOC report, and there was no hard evidence there, only allegations to what was published the the ARD hit-piece. The point man of the ARD hit-piece (former RusADA head) is now in USA, 30000 dollars richer (the proverbial 30 silvers?). By the way, he knew of his wife's doping use, but she only got exposed after he got kicked out of RusADA. Another official - the above-mentioned Rodchenkov, who was also mentioned in ARD as an "accused", came with his own tales and is now heading and American doping test laboratory. Payment for the service well-done?



And this is what Russia should really do:

Public Chamber head calls for Russia to hold ‘real’ Paralympics
https://www.rt.com/politics/356852-public-chamber-head-call-for/

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 Russia’s Public Chamber head Aleksandr Brechalov has called the Court of Arbitration for Sport’s decision to uphold a ban on Russian athletes from the upcoming Paralympics in Rio “a lowly and mean move,” proposing that Russia should now hold its own games.

“I would like to wish our Paralympics athletes spiritual strength in such a situation and I also propose that we hold real Paralympic Games for the strongest on September 7-18 here in Russia,” Brechalov said in comments with TASS.

He added that in his view the “shameless” ruling of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) was yet more proof that the body sought to demonstrate its loyalty to “partners across the ocean,” seemingly hinting at the US. The Russian activist also said he doubted that the people behind the ruling had any conscience at all.

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Russia and the other non-Western countries (read: the world) should really organise apolitical sports events.



Banning every Russian Paralympic athlete ‘most vulgar form of justice imaginable’
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/356859-paralympic-russian-team-ban/

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Ellis Cashmore: I’m surprised by it, frankly. I thought that this would be a successful challenge. The IPC, the International Paralympic Committee, had imposed this blanket ban, but it did seem a very crude weapon, because they are effectively punishing every Paralympic athlete in Russia for the sins of a few. Yes, there have been some transgressions – I don’t think anybody is going to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that everything has been fine in Russia for the past several years. But, simply to punish every single competitor seems the crudest course, the most vulgar form of justice imaginable…

I thought further on this, because either the Court of Arbitration would take into consideration a story… about the [Richard] McLaren report. What happened last week is that the IOC President Thomas Bach requested Professor McLaren’s evidence of state-sponsored doping. Now, we’ve been hearing this term ad nauseam over the past few weeks, but no one has actually seen tangible evidence of the so-called state-sponsored doping that has allegedly been going on in Russia for, we don’t know how long. McLaren refused to give that evidence, and that really agitated quite a few people including myself. One would expect in such a colossally important case in sport’s history, as we know have, that the least thing that we should expect, we should feel entitled to be able to examine the evidence. And that hasn’t been forthcoming. I thought that the Court of Arbitration today would take that into consideration and rule in favor of the Russian Paralympic Athlete – that has not been the case.

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legendary
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They shouldn't have banned Russia. The simply should have given everyone else a head start to make it fair.

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What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.

BS. Black people are some of the weakest among the human races. Look at heavy-weight boxing and fighting sports such as Judo, MMA, Taekwondo.etc. There are some 2 billion blacks in this world compared to 0.5 billion whites. Still, it is the whites who dominate sports such as MMA, boxing, Judo, Karate, Fencing.etc.

You are so dumb and retarded please do something for humanities gene pool and kill yourself or atleast never procreate   Undecided

An ad hominem attack is a nice fallacy, demonstrating that you are out of valid arguments had must resort to insults. Well done, criptix - you just removed yourself from this conversation.

Lol... that guy seems to be in everyone's ignore list. You should not quote him, as it defeats the very purpose of ignoring someone.




The fact that we have 2016 and uneducated maggots like you and Bryant are running rampage on a tech forum like this makes my brain melt.

There are various online and offline science libraries where you could educate yourself while spamming bullshit for some sig pennies.

Tl;Dr. : use Google you retard.

Btw. How low do you have to fall to dope at the paralympics lol
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Russian team of the disabled athletes got banned from the Paralympics in Rio, and they are targeting the Paralympics team from the winter 2014 games in Sochi, intending to re-verify the tests, with the intent to re-write the results.
http://www.aif.ru/olymp2016/newsolymp/sbornuyu_rossii_otstranili_ot_paralimpiady_v_rio
http://www.aif.ru/olymp2016/newsolymp/ipc_pereproverit_proby_s_paralimpiady_v_sochi

Looks like Russia will be appealing to the Human Rights court
http://www.aif.ru/olymp2016/newsolymp/moskva_namerena_osporit_otstranenie_rossiyskih_paralimpiycev

Breaking! Death of #Paralympics: ALL Russian Paralympians banned from #Rio2016 #IPC #WADA #hybridwar
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/death-of-paralympics-all-russians-paralympians-banned-from-rio2016/#comment-9616

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All 200 Russian Paralympianss are banned – a decision with which they waited till last moment – for the pleasure of an executioner to inflict an extra torture on a victim, I can only assume. Only athletes with the most severe injuries or impairments imaginable are allowed to compete in Paralympics, including missing legs and arms, paralysis, cerebral palsy or Down syndrome. In other words, those people who defeated insurmountable odds to survive and thrive. It seems especially diabolical to do this to such athletes.

For the full picture on this new low in the war against Russia, and on how Olympics have become an ugly proxy in the global geopolitical struggle to preserve the dying US Empire, read my complete article compilation on Olympics, doping in sport, and Brazil!

The team was waiting for this decision while already being in Rio!
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Yup doping penalties should be strict but it doesn't mean you exclude every players for a positive result for some. There is some extent of politics in here.

And as for the advantages of race and geography some have some benefits over other. Everyone should accept that. But the sporting authorities are too sometimes blamed of creating new rules to favor their favorites, same goes with the list of so called performance boosting drugs.
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Maybe my last post looked like racism. But it looks that you don't understand my mind. I want to say that every race is different and they have they benefits in different sports. For example, asian people is strong at table tennis or gymnastics, african people from countries like Kenya, Ethiopia wins most marathons. I have my opinion, but I respect your opinion.
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What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.

BS. Black people are some of the weakest among the human races. Look at heavy-weight boxing and fighting sports such as Judo, MMA, Taekwondo.etc. There are some 2 billion blacks in this world compared to 0.5 billion whites. Still, it is the whites who dominate sports such as MMA, boxing, Judo, Karate, Fencing.etc.

You are so dumb and retarded please do something for humanities gene pool and kill yourself or atleast never procreate   Undecided

An ad hominem attack is a nice fallacy, demonstrating that you are out of valid arguments had must resort to insults. Well done, criptix - you just removed yourself from this conversation.

Lol... that guy seems to be in everyone's ignore list. You should not quote him, as it defeats the very purpose of ignoring someone.

Now back to the topic, Serena must be banned from competing in the women's game. She is definitely not 100% female. It is more like 60% female and 40% male. That gives Serena the advantage when competing against women.

Yep, and that was what I was hinting at in that post - not at black vs. white performance. Blacks may actually be better at short, explosive sprint-like types of sports, while whites, and Asians, at the endurance sports. But that has more to do with the height of the athletes and how much work their heart has to do pumping oxygen to the muscles.



And for the doping testing to be fair, it does not do excluding athletes from the competitions. Rather, ALL athletes without exception should be tested after EACH performance, and the tests must be performed in the presence of 6-7 witnesses from different countries, which are trusted in their respective regions of the world.
legendary
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What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.

BS. Black people are some of the weakest among the human races. Look at heavy-weight boxing and fighting sports such as Judo, MMA, Taekwondo.etc. There are some 2 billion blacks in this world compared to 0.5 billion whites. Still, it is the whites who dominate sports such as MMA, boxing, Judo, Karate, Fencing.etc.

You are so dumb and retarded please do something for humanities gene pool and kill yourself or atleast never procreate   Undecided

An ad hominem attack is a nice fallacy, demonstrating that you are out of valid arguments had must resort to insults. Well done, criptix - you just removed yourself from this conversation.

There is no discussion and i am not discussing with him or you or anyone else here.

I stated a fact.

You might also think about my implications Smiley


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What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.

BS. Black people are some of the weakest among the human races. Look at heavy-weight boxing and fighting sports such as Judo, MMA, Taekwondo.etc. There are some 2 billion blacks in this world compared to 0.5 billion whites. Still, it is the whites who dominate sports such as MMA, boxing, Judo, Karate, Fencing.etc.

You are so dumb and retarded please do something for humanities gene pool and kill yourself or atleast never procreate   Undecided

An ad hominem attack is a nice fallacy, demonstrating that you are out of valid arguments had must resort to insults. Well done, criptix - you just removed yourself from this conversation.

Lol... that guy seems to be in everyone's ignore list. You should not quote him, as it defeats the very purpose of ignoring someone.

Now back to the topic, Serena must be banned from competing in the women's game. She is definitely not 100% female. It is more like 60% female and 40% male. That gives Serena the advantage when competing against women.
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I repeat, all athletes use different doping to improve the results of its features. Only a few manage to deceive the monitoring organizations, while other competitors are not able to deceive the control and they are forbidden to speak at the event. At this time, the Russian athletes are out of luck.

It's not so much of "being out of luck, as being set up. WADA declared a medicine - Meldonium - that was used by the athletes on all of the (post)-Soviet space as a food supplement since the 80s, to be a doping. It was known that it takes bout 6 months for the trace of Meldonium to disappear from the body. So the Russian athletes  had no chance of becoming clean between WADA put Meldonium on the prohibited list and the Rio Olympics.

It's the same as if I, knowing that you drive a green car, put though a law, saying that all drivers of green cars are criminals, knowing that you won't be able to sell that car in time...

Please read the content of, which I posted in the OP:

LADA RAY REPORT: End of Olympics? Plot to Remove Russia from International Sports Revealed
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/lada-ray-report-end-of-olympics-plot-to-remove-russia-from-international-sports-revealed/

and this bit:

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Meldoniy (Meldonium) scandal

The Meldonium scandal began developing earlier this year after late last year WADA suddenly declared Meldonium to be a super-doping agent and banned it. It quickly turned out that Meldonium stayed in one’s bloodstream for months, and so, even those athletes who ended Meldonium usage immediately after the ban, tested positive months later and were promptly banned from all international competitions. WADA faced criticism for its ‘poorly researched and tested’ decision on Meldonium, but it simply shrugged off any such criticism and kept plowing on.

Here is an article on CBS about that: Meldonium producers say the drug can take months to leave body

The most famous athlete they got on Meldonium scandal was tennis star Maria Sharapova, who, as a result, is under a 2-year playing ban, and of course, she is missing the Rio Olympics. Why it was important to get Sharapova? Along with Yelena Isinbayeva, she is the face of the Russian sport. She was the Russian flag bearer at the London Olympics, and just like Isinbayeva, she is universally loved and admired.

http://pak1stanfirst.com/desporto/meldonium-producers-say-the-drug-can-take-months-to-leave-body/48027
legendary
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What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.

BS. Black people are some of the weakest among the human races. Look at heavy-weight boxing and fighting sports such as Judo, MMA, Taekwondo.etc. There are some 2 billion blacks in this world compared to 0.5 billion whites. Still, it is the whites who dominate sports such as MMA, boxing, Judo, Karate, Fencing.etc.
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I thought the ban was over turned just before the games started.
They were in the opening ceremony after all. Roll Eyes
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These stats that only 0.91% russian doping tests was positive is bullshit. Mostly tests was made in russian laboratories and in Sochi olympics and investigation proved, that mostly tests was falsificated by workers of laboaratories and russian FSB. Original tests was changed to clean tests. So, this chart don't give us real view.

Sources validating your claim, please, or your own statement is the simple bullshit.

Otherwise it's not better than me saying "These stats that only 0.71% american doping tests was positive is bullshit. Mostly tests was made in english laboratories and in London olympics and investigation proved, that mostly tests was falsificated by workers of laboaratories and american FBI. Original tests was changed to clean tests. So, this chart don't give us real view."  Wink

Why are you referring to Sochi Olympics, by the way? The table above is from the relentless testing of all of the athletes prior to the Rio Olympics of these past few months.

PS: Feel the difference:

Williams next to Sharapova: find a crucial difference in their look
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Sharapova was favorite for London Olympics gold. The international disappointment and underground discontent against the ‘steroid sister’ Serena Williams’ gold in London ran deep; doubts and protests took place – all squashed.
Investigation of WADA proved what I said in my previous post.
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/22/12258488/russia-doping-scandal-suspensions-rio-olympics-2016
What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.
I'm very sad for Sharapova. She declarated in press conference that she used doping, and I think she didn't deserved such strict punishment.
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These stats that only 0.91% russian doping tests was positive is bullshit. Mostly tests was made in russian laboratories and in Sochi olympics and investigation proved, that mostly tests was falsificated by workers of laboaratories and russian FSB. Original tests was changed to clean tests. So, this chart don't give us real view.

Sources validating your claim, please, or your own statement is the simple bullshit.

Otherwise it's not better than me saying "These stats that only 0.71% american doping tests was positive is bullshit. Mostly tests was made in english laboratories and in London olympics and investigation proved, that mostly tests was falsificated by workers of laboaratories and american FBI. Original tests was changed to clean tests. So, this chart don't give us real view."  Wink

Why are you referring to Sochi Olympics, by the way? The table above is from the relentless testing of all of the athletes prior to the Rio Olympics of these past few months.

PS: Feel the difference:

Williams next to Sharapova: find a crucial difference in their look
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Sharapova was favorite for London Olympics gold. The international disappointment and underground discontent against the ‘steroid sister’ Serena Williams’ gold in London ran deep; doubts and protests took place – all squashed.
I repeat, all athletes use different doping to improve the results of its features. Only a few manage to deceive the monitoring organizations, while other competitors are not able to deceive the control and they are forbidden to speak at the event. At this time, the Russian athletes are out of luck.
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My opinion is that, in fact, a ban on participation in the competition for many Russian athletes, only the echoes of a quiet war between the two great powers, America and Russia. I'm not going to say that the Russian athletes do not take dope. But in recent years, almost all professional athletes, in one form or another, use chemistry to improve results. It would be foolish to think that only the Russian sportsmen take doping. But for some reason, we found and removed only Russian athletes.
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