hmm no answer from tom on my emails asking about wither or not he plans to repay me my btc bar or not. anyone know the legal standard for trading goods for goods i trade a 100 btc bar from https://www.casascius.com/ which is worth 100 btc. does tom owe me my bar back or does he just owe me $1000 since i trade a good for a good. and dont say im trying to be greddy or shit bc the bar was worth more then the asci at the time i made the deal with tom and i was also willing the whole tim and still am willing to take a 24 hour average of usd to btc of the time i request my refund which was jan 14th where tom again would make out so im not being greedy or unfair.
yes i think i am owed my good which is a btc worth 100 btc but i am a responsible man.
tom plz email me so we can work this out i have all skype convos on are agreement if you need me to post i will i just want to work this out
Topic: bASIC BTC refunds list - v2.0 - page 9. (Read 13436 times)
User: fred0
Order: #201 (13 AUG 2012) and #2251 (Reclaim for order 143--25 JUL 2012)
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $4,339.95
Date Requested: 09 JAN 2013
Location: USA
Paid: none
Refund Address: 1DQzkfYnw6u6gHy7gNkhQhs2mxCA6BCxKf
Order: #201 (13 AUG 2012) and #2251 (Reclaim for order 143--25 JUL 2012)
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $4,339.95
Date Requested: 09 JAN 2013
Location: USA
Paid: none
Refund Address: 1DQzkfYnw6u6gHy7gNkhQhs2mxCA6BCxKf
this is starting to get really painful. BTC just hit $53 each... Tom is clearly waiting for the price to keep going up before paying out remaining BTC refunds. I submitted by request for refund over 2 months ago. The 244 BTC I paid will get returned to me in the form of just over 50 BTC even if he refunded me now. So I'm just supposed to take a loss of $10,000+ while not having access to my funds for half a year? This is unacceptable. I only live 4 hours away from where Tom supposedly lives, I'm really tempted to drive up there.
To start off my reply I am going to say that I too had units pre-ordered. 5 of them.
As Tom has stated the website you purchased the bASIC units from displayed prices in USD. Since that is the case when you paid in bitoins you take the price of the unit divided in USD by the market price of BTC at the time of purchase. That determines how many bitoins you paid. Just because Tom didn't deliver a product doesn't mean you entitled to a refund worth over ten grand. Had tom actually shipped the bASIC product and then you decided you wanted a refund do you really expect him to take a $10,000.00 loss? Before you decide to rant and rave on the forums you should put yourself in his shoes and really think if you ran this project and you had failed and you wanted to make things right would you refund person X the amount they paid in BTC or USD?
You bought a product in USD with bitcoins. Therefore you will get the same amount in USD back. The fact that Tom is even trying to refund his customers is good for the bitcoin community.
You misunderstand. I don't want a refund of my full 244 BTC back at $64/btc, I want what was owed to me in BTC when I requested my refund over 2 months ago. BTC was at $28 when I requested a refund. People with orders later than mine who paid in BTC have already gotten a refund; there is no excuse for the prolonged wait I've had to go through.
this is starting to get really painful. BTC just hit $53 each... Tom is clearly waiting for the price to keep going up before paying out remaining BTC refunds. I submitted by request for refund over 2 months ago. The 244 BTC I paid will get returned to me in the form of just over 50 BTC even if he refunded me now. So I'm just supposed to take a loss of $10,000+ while not having access to my funds for half a year? This is unacceptable. I only live 4 hours away from where Tom supposedly lives, I'm really tempted to drive up there.
if you sell more BTC on mtgox then wont it be tom buying your BTC to replay you the BTC you used to pay tom ....
my brain hurts
we're all getting fucked, and Tom will get his too...
You bought a product in USD with bitcoins. Therefore you will get the same amount in USD back. The fact that Tom is even trying to refund his customers is good for the bitcoin community.
I agree with you. That said, if a refund isn't done in a timely manner (I asked for mine more than 2 months ago now), interests should be added to the refund. I don't know the applicable law for Tom's business but where I live 12 to 15% annual interest is standard.
i also agree with this but i am more disappionted that ppl arnt upset that tom didnt stick to his word tom said he would start refunds on jan 23. exchange rate on the 23 jan was no higher then 18 dollars so if tom had dont refunds it would of been like a 3 dollar difference per coin then when he sold out at.
also i feel im a get screwed in the end what do you ppl feel if i trade tom a btc bar worth 100 btc for a miner am i entitled to my 100 btc bar worth 100 btc back or just what he feels like giving me.
You bought a product in USD with bitcoins. Therefore you will get the same amount in USD back. The fact that Tom is even trying to refund his customers is good for the bitcoin community.
I agree with you. That said, if a refund isn't done in a timely manner (I asked for mine more than 2 months ago now), interests should be added to the refund. I don't know the applicable law for Tom's business but where I live 12 to 15% annual interest is standard.
this is starting to get really painful. BTC just hit $53 each... Tom is clearly waiting for the price to keep going up before paying out remaining BTC refunds. I submitted by request for refund over 2 months ago. The 244 BTC I paid will get returned to me in the form of just over 50 BTC even if he refunded me now. So I'm just supposed to take a loss of $10,000+ while not having access to my funds for half a year? This is unacceptable. I only live 4 hours away from where Tom supposedly lives, I'm really tempted to drive up there.
To start off my reply I am going to say that I too had units pre-ordered. 5 of them.
As Tom has stated the website you purchased the bASIC units from displayed prices in USD. Since that is the case when you paid in bitoins you take the price of the unit divided in USD by the market price of BTC at the time of purchase. That determines how many bitoins you paid. Just because Tom didn't deliver a product doesn't mean you entitled to a refund worth over ten grand. Had tom actually shipped the bASIC product and then you decided you wanted a refund do you really expect him to take a $10,000.00 loss? Before you decide to rant and rave on the forums you should put yourself in his shoes and really think if you ran this project and you had failed and you wanted to make things right would you refund person X the amount they paid in BTC or USD?
You bought a product in USD with bitcoins. Therefore you will get the same amount in USD back. The fact that Tom is even trying to refund his customers is good for the bitcoin community.
With that much money and only 4 hours to drive, I wonder why you did not visit Tom long ago and collect your refund in person?!
this is starting to get really painful. BTC just hit $53 each... Tom is clearly waiting for the price to keep going up before paying out remaining BTC refunds. I submitted by request for refund over 2 months ago. The 244 BTC I paid will get returned to me in the form of just over 50 BTC even if he refunded me now. So I'm just supposed to take a loss of $10,000+ while not having access to my funds for half a year? This is unacceptable. I only live 4 hours away from where Tom supposedly lives, I'm really tempted to drive up there.
2 bASIC01 (#3xx) + DHL shipping (#18xx) for a total of $2199.98: refund address 1E6FQuRi6VPiGTmsR8vG7ez511Gb4i14UB
February the 27th Tom answered one of my emails asking for news on my refund with (nothing confidential or even new):
I didn't get another email from Tom after that. He started communicating on the forums again though.
Still no refund.
I see purchase date and refund request date might be useful:February the 27th Tom answered one of my emails asking for news on my refund with (nothing confidential or even new):
Quote
im not interested in posting to the forum at least for the time being. I was an incredibly productive member for 2 years until this fiasco
and now I get treated like a common scammer, I will look at your order when I get home and write back to you about the refund
thanks
and now I get treated like a common scammer, I will look at your order when I get home and write back to you about the refund
thanks
I didn't get another email from Tom after that. He started communicating on the forums again though.
Still no refund.
purchase: September the 4th 2012
refund req: January the 13th 2013
2 bASIC01 (#3xx) + DHL shipping (#18xx) for a total of $2199.98: refund address 1E6FQuRi6VPiGTmsR8vG7ez511Gb4i14UB
February the 27th Tom answered one of my emails asking for news on my refund with (nothing confidential or even new):
I didn't get another email from Tom after that. He started communicating on the forums again though.
Still no refund.
February the 27th Tom answered one of my emails asking for news on my refund with (nothing confidential or even new):
Quote
im not interested in posting to the forum at least for the time being. I was an incredibly productive member for 2 years until this fiasco
and now I get treated like a common scammer, I will look at your order when I get home and write back to you about the refund
thanks
and now I get treated like a common scammer, I will look at your order when I get home and write back to you about the refund
thanks
I didn't get another email from Tom after that. He started communicating on the forums again though.
Still no refund.
send email to [email protected] with you order details
i am stll waiting refund...
1 basic 54Gh/s $1,099.99
*Order ID:* 869
*Date Added:* 30/09/2012
*Payment Method:* Bitcoin
i asked refund throuth Dave on Jan 12, 2013
i sent again an email yesterday to Tom
Europe
i am stll waiting refund...
1 basic 54Gh/s $1,099.99
*Order ID:* 869
*Date Added:* 30/09/2012
*Payment Method:* Bitcoin
i asked refund throuth Dave on Jan 12, 2013
i sent again an email yesterday to Tom
Europe
Order: #273
1069.99$ + 30$
Paid via BTC
NO REFUND RECEIVED.
I have tried to reach Tom via multiple ways, not even a reply. What is the "official" way to request refund?
1069.99$ + 30$
Paid via BTC
NO REFUND RECEIVED.
I have tried to reach Tom via multiple ways, not even a reply. What is the "official" way to request refund?
Order #89x and #16xx
Total Amount paid: $2,759
Payment Method: BTC
Refund Received: No
I am angryface, Thomas Van Riper.
edit:
Location: USA
date of refund request: January 22nd
Total Amount paid: $2,759
Payment Method: BTC
Refund Received: No
I am angryface, Thomas Van Riper.
edit:
Location: USA
date of refund request: January 22nd
2013-03-14 refunds received.
Order ID: #2010 (27Gh/s bASIC)
&
Order ID: #985 (54Gh/s bASIC)
Order ID: #2010 (27Gh/s bASIC)
&
Order ID: #985 (54Gh/s bASIC)
So the list is down to only around $30K or so unpaid. I'd say this should be resolved in a few more weeks.
Check the thread talking about legal action. One of the recent posters there says he is still owed $200k.
So the list is down to only around $30K or so unpaid. I'd say this should be resolved in a few more weeks.
User: Gabit
Order: #853 and #1820
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $1,159.99
Date Requested: 01-13-2013
Location: EU
Paid: none
Tom promised me yesterday by email, that I will receive the payment on 03/22.
Order: #853 and #1820
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $1,159.99
Date Requested: 01-13-2013
Location: EU
Paid: none
Tom promised me yesterday by email, that I will receive the payment on 03/22.
User: real1510
Order: #518 and #1792
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $1,159.99
Date Requested: 01-29-2013
Location: EU
Paid: none
Tom promised me yesterday by email, that I will receive the payment on 03/22.
Order: #518 and #1792
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $1,159.99
Date Requested: 01-29-2013
Location: EU
Paid: none
Tom promised me yesterday by email, that I will receive the payment on 03/22.
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