Topic: BBC Paints Dark Wallet as working directly with ISIS (Read 5271 times)

Guilty M'laud. My mining app cares nothing for paragraphs, even those in '1984'. I
delete paragraphs from my archived material unless I have a good reason to do otherwise. 

The real question, Mr Pot, is the correct shade of dark for the kettle, and whether
MinTruth is merely reporting the facts though biased eyes, or preparing propaganda?

I would submit that, absent any evidence that ISIS has used Dark Wallet to launder
money, what we have read is propaganda. In the interests of truth and transparency,
the article could have pointed out that Dark Wallet merely provides Bitcoin with some
of the attributes of fiat currency, and that the accusations made could as easily be
directed at the Bank of England, or the Federal Reserve Bank.

+1984.   Well said!

I would say a more accurate analogy is something that costs extra because it is designed to help people to run from the police. This is one feature of dark wallet. You will generally have to pay higher TX fees, and slower confirmation times, however it makes it much more difficult for law enforcement to trace money, to the extent that someone using it would not even be able to show where their money went

You really think the name has anything to do with it? They could have named it "Save the children" wallet and the same journalistic slant
would have been made... we are talking about principled Anarchists here, who are openly attacking the status quo.

If you listen to the whole interview the main objection is that there isn't a backdoor placed within the Dark Wallet to give to the authorities for them
to Identify ISIS or any "criminals" whether it be Snowden, Assange or your friendly pot dealer. The Irony is that it was US and other nation states that originally funded and trained ISIS just like many other Terrorists groups. The Interviewer keeps pressing for concerns about hypothetical uses of the dark wallet instead of addressing the reason and source of this terrorist group.

You need to understand that even if we assume governments are not corrupt and have the best of intentions this doesn't address either their incompetence
or the existing laws that are unethical. Additionally, any backdoor written into the code is a huge security risk as ISIS, other dictators, and random hackers
can than exploit it for their personal benefit.

No, we are reclaiming the word "Dark" to reclaim our sovereignty. Dark wallet isn't "radical" or "fringe" as it merely allows us to do what we have been able to do for hundreds of years and participate in the global economy without being tracked.

We aren't going to reform the world by playing games with words and through dishonesty. These are the games of Karl Rove and other Corrupt politicians.

Its developers of dark wallet fault. I remember when they didn't want name change of their wallet while community demanded it.
Now they have what they deserve.

Last time I watch BBC Click.

@DarkWallet - how do I send you guys some pizza?

LOL, its akin to saying "We should forbid better shoes, and regulate them because people might use them to run from the police".
Blatant authoritarian agenda pandering.  Moving on.

Needs to go to school and learn about paragraphs.

just another perspective from a potential employee of MinTruth ...

“HedgelessHorseman: On the sixth day of Hate Week, after the processions, the speeches, the shouting, the singing, the banners, the posters, the films, the waxworks, the rolling of drums and squealing of trumpets, the tramp of marching feet, the grinding of the caterpillars of tanks, the roar of massed planes, the booming of guns — after six days of this, when the great orgasm was quivering to its climax and the general hatred of Al-Qaida had boiled up into such delirium that if the crowd could have got their hands on the 2,000 Al-Qaida terrorists who were to be killed in drone strikes on the last day of the proceedings, they would unquestionably have torn them to pieces — at just this moment it had been announced that Oceania was not after all at war with Al-Qaida. Oceania was at war with ISIS. Al-Qaida was an ally. There was, of course, no admission that any change had taken place. Merely it became known, with extreme suddenness and everywhere at once, that ISIS and not Al-Qaida was the enemy. Winston was taking part in a demonstration in one of the central London squares at the moment when it happened. It was night, and the white faces and the scarlet banners were luridly floodlit. The square was packed with several thousand people, including a block of about a thousand schoolchildren in the uniform of the Spies. On a scarlet-draped platform an orator of the Inner Party, a small lean man with disproportionately long arms and a large bald skull over which a few lank locks straggled, was haranguing the crowd. A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, contorted with hatred, he gripped the neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth an endless catalogue of atrocities, massacres, deportations, lootings, rapings, torture of prisoners, bombing of civilians, lying propaganda, unjust aggressions, broken treaties. It was almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then maddened. At every few moments the fury of the crowd boiled over and the voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beast-like roaring that rose uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker’s hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceania was at war with ISIS! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage! The agents of Goldstein had been at work! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. The Spies performed prodigies of activity in clambering over the rooftops and cutting the streamers that fluttered from the chimneys. But within two or three minutes it was all over. The orator, still gripping the neck of the microphone, his shoulders hunched forward, his free hand clawing at the air, had gone straight on with his speech. One minute more, and the feral roars of rage were again bursting from the crowd. The Hate continued exactly as before, except that the target had been changed. The thing that impressed Winston in looking back was that the speaker had switched from one line to the other actually in midsentence, not only without a pause, but without even breaking the syntax. But at the moment he had other things to preoccupy him. It was during the moment of disorder while the posters were being torn down that a man whose face he did not see had tapped him on the shoulder and said, ‘Excuse me, I think you’ve dropped your brief-case.’ He took the brief-case abstractedly, without speaking. He knew that it would be days before he had an opportunity to look inside it. The instant that the demonstration was over he went straight to the Ministry of Truth, though the time was now nearly twenty-three hours. The entire staff of the Ministry had done likewise. The orders already issuing from the telescreen, recalling them to their posts, were hardly necessary. Oceania was at war with ISIS: Oceania had always been at war with ISIS. “

seems like tinfoil underwear should provide more bang for the buck, what with everyone carrying around cell-phones these days.

Of course none of these would be effective against longitudinal (tesla) waves that can penetrate a faraday cage, but that doesn't matter since the bulk of the scientific community has been ignoring them for the past 100 years anyway, so there are few local sources.  Nor are they known to be harmful to one's nuts or brain.

Seems like a good thread to advertise:
tinfoil hats: 1 BTC
Copper mesh hats: 2 BTC
zinc-manganese alloy in a bilayered hexagonal array hats: 4 BTC

Any takers? Get real.

From the article:


So this is how they play it:  demonize darkwallet and its developers and users or any similar software that pops up.  So long as they can keep it a niche thing, then bitcoin remains trackable and therefore controllable.    Anyone found to be using anonymous tech is automaticallly "bad".   Eventually use itself may be a crime.  ( 2 legs bad, four legs good )

The obvious way to prevent this from happening is to bake strong privacy into the bitcoin protocol itself, so that users are are engaging in anonymous transactions by default.  When everyone is doing it, no one is a target.

The longer we wait and pretend that pseudo-anonymity is sufficient, the more we as a community are playing into the hands of those who would track and control us.

It is time that we wake up and make real anonymity top priority.

If Bitcoin devs won't embrace financial privacy, then we'd better start supporting altcoins that do.

hmm interesting....did not know dark wallet and the US government were affiliated.

I think it is a valid point. Cash is heavy and bulky and is potentially not fungible if bills are marked, while bitcoin is difficult to trace (and darkwallet makes this much more difficult), and can be transferred around the world in seconds. Granted it is difficult for the ISIS to spend any bitcoin they receive, reducing advantages they would have for using bitcoin.

Money will always be moved via the path of least resistance that gives sufficient security

Oh please, the insinuation is that fiat has not done this for decades. No one said it was easier or not - obviously the technology is superior. That is a moot point

Don't be delusional, moving money with BTC (and now Dark Wallet) is extremely easier than moving physical cash from A to B.

Not commenting about how the BBC paints anyone, but has anyone read the document in question?

Bitcoin and the Charity of Violent Physical Struggle:
https://alkhilafaharidat.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/btcedit-21.pdf

If you are interested. No idea if it is authentic, but this is what the interview is about.

I could see investors dumping because of negative PR like this or at least more pressure to dump based on something like this and the price decrease.

Here is the full interview to prove how the BBC manipulates and frames the discussion in a negative light:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43xLNYSmEWE

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w_KE62eHlNIqj-3_0fOPLV0nWuG1wrdx6cnv9_S2Uf0/edit#

Actually all they do is identify and document the various outrages perpetrated by the BBC on a daily basis. If you actually read the website, it is filled with intelligent analysis of BBC output.

At the very least, the website provides quite a thorough catalogue of BBC crimes for future investigations and prosecutions should the opportunity arise.

I would say this is not necessarily a bad thing to have people being able to see your transactions. You do give up some level of privacy in exchange for additional security of the blockchain.