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Quote from: seoincorporation on June 02, 2023, 09:38:36 AM

From 35% to 9.8%, that's cruel... but they can modify their terms of service, I think there is nothing to do about that, you know their casino their rules.

But if isn't a good business to have the affiliates there, then there is always the option to move to a new casino. I have been working with the affiliates program in betnomi, and they offer that 35% of the users wager under the Revenue Share program. You should consider it as an option.

It is certainly not good for affiliates but the casino is probably cutting costs with this. I think the main issue for an affiliate in such a situation would be to migrate with their referrals to another platform because they and their referrals must have already wagered a lot of money and might have also gotten VIP status and if not, they must be close to that and no one would like to migrate to a new platform after reaching so close to that.

The VIP perks and bonuses they might get from the platform will all be gone and they will need to start all fresh from the beginning, and I doubt if everyone would be willing to do that, so the affiliate might lose a lot of referrals due to this even if he decides to migrate.

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Quote from: Beparanf on May 15, 2023, 06:53:08 AM

Sadly, Casino think that Affiliates just milking money to them without doing anything that’s why it’s easy for them to cut loose since they already get what they want. Affiliate can’t pull out their invites so it’s take it or leave it already for them after the initial high affiliate commission.

Not only Affiliate commissions is what casinos now cutting expenses but also their bonuses for loyalty reward. Most of the perks is now decrease after getting their target customer volume from initial introduction benefits. This is why many gamblers is exploring new casino even if it’s dangerous.

This problem is so common when things are done that a community does not like, if there are bad decisions that harm a community, that community will quickly turn its back on the project or the casino, and this is very common in the projects, but in the casinos when they are with the affiliates and they mess with them, I think it is one of the worst decisions they can make, in this case it is as similar as messing with a community, at any moment they will take away all the support and they will not allow themselves to be or do the things that they are destined to commit, so support like this should not be allowed, it should not be treated like this, of course it is my Opinion , but I have gone through similar things with some Sites.

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Quote from: StudsonBudson on May 10, 2023, 10:20:52 PM

I have been on bc.game since a couple of years.
I have a successful affiliate campaign on there with over 40k+ commission made. But recently they decreased my affiliate percentage from 35% to 9.8% without any prior discussion or intimation.

I offer 10% to my referrals on their wager as a bonus to encourage them to use my link. Now that my affiliate % has been cut down to under 10% I virtually made 0 money on the last 4 million wagered under me as I still paid my referrals their 10%.
It's insane how BCGame threw me under the bus like this without any discussion with me.

I think this is part of their cost cutting campaign which began with them removing rakeback completely from the site followed by now slashing affiliate percentages. I tried reaching out to BCGame staff in so many ways but to zero success.

I don't know if there's any legal or ethical grounds I can pursue here, but if anyone knows please let me know.

With every dollar being wagered on my referral now, I'm losing money.

You are operating on their terms and conditions. I am sure that you read through it? It's their casino, they can change whatever into whatever they like. You do not have a referral contract with them? Thats your own fault. Although if you are making a lot of money as one of their best referrers, then I am sure they would be happy to negotiate special terms. You should just reach out and ask them yourself, instead of whining about it in the gambling forum.

Seriously, what kind of a business man/woman are you? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: StudsonBudson on May 10, 2023, 10:20:52 PM

I have been on bc.game since a couple of years.
I have a successful affiliate campaign on there with over 40k+ commission made. But recently they decreased my affiliate percentage from 35% to 9.8% without any prior discussion or intimation.

I offer 10% to my referrals on their wager as a bonus to encourage them to use my link. Now that my affiliate % has been cut down to under 10% I virtually made 0 money on the last 4 million wagered under me as I still paid my referrals their 10%.
It's insane how BCGame threw me under the bus like this without any discussion with me.

I think this is part of their cost cutting campaign which began with them removing rakeback completely from the site followed by now slashing affiliate percentages. I tried reaching out to BCGame staff in so many ways but to zero success.

I don't know if there's any legal or ethical grounds I can pursue here, but if anyone knows please let me know.

With every dollar being wagered on my referral now, I'm losing money.

Why not on cutting those referral bonus to at least 5% on which you would really be having at least 4.5% left or having no negative? Its quite understandable about your frustration considering that dropping from 35%

to 9.8 is a huge down which it would be normal that if you do make out that kind of dealings out of your referral then it would really be surely affect you. Cost cutting? Possibly because this would be the nearest reason on why they do make out such adjustments. Legal grounds or something? Better not to mind yourself about this because on this changes then there's nothing you can do if they would decide on cutting it out
Therefore, the best thing you do is to let those referrals know on whats the current condition so that if you do decide on making a cut too then you should really tell them about the true reason behind.
You cant just make yourself paying up and patching up those lacking amounts just because you've been having the deal.Yes, its understandable but its not ideal on doing it anymore now that
it had been cut up.

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Quote from: StudsonBudson on May 12, 2023, 11:46:45 PM

Update: Just spoke with an admin, nothing he can do about it. I guess it's time I say goodbye to this site. Taking my 43 referrals and millions wagered every week along with me.

Wow you have a great fan base and any casino losing you will definitely feel the impact atleast for the moment and since you're already an established member, why didn't they come up with something and let you work on something.
I've read some similar stories where it seems most casinos seems to be jealous of the rewards and winnings of their players and customers especially when it seems the casino is greatly on the losing side.
Well you have to be careful when choosing the next one and I alsonfeel for you because you will have to work extra hard again because not all your fans would want to follow you to the next casino for maybe some personal issues or maybe they ready favouriting the previous casino already.

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From 35% to 9.8%, that's cruel... but they can modify their terms of service, I think there is nothing to do about that, you know their casino their rules.

But if isn't a good business to have the affiliates there, then there is always the option to move to a new casino. I have been working with the affiliates program in betnomi, and they offer that 35% of the users wager under the Revenue Share program. You should consider it as an option.

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Quote from: wiss19 on May 26, 2023, 03:50:50 AM

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As far as I can see in that regard, there is nothing you can do if bc games change their established rules because they are the ones who administer or control games and we are just players who decide whether we follow it or not.

But it cannot be denied the size of the percentage of their referral bonus. But if you think you have a fight or claim against what you are fighting in games, it is your right as long as you are in the right and you have strong evidence against them.

Well, whether it is a change in their games, in their terms and conditions, in their bonuses, or their referral commission percentage, a player or an affiliate can simply do nothing at all, they have all the rights to make any changes they want and casinos also mention this in their terms and conditions that they can always make changes in anything within the platform.

An affiliate who used the casino and earned commissions from their referrals will probably have to migrate to another platform in such a case since they will probably not change their policies only for one affiliate and they probably made the changes for a reason.

- Definitely, everything you said is true mate. Everyone has the right to complain but everyone can't do anything if the gambling admin suddenly changes that when it comes to Tos, this is true, we can only complain.

So if this happens, let's just accept it and now it's up to us if we continue to play gambling using their platform, after all we're not forced to stay with them, right?

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Quote from: davis196 on May 25, 2023, 01:25:36 AM

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I don't know if there's any legal or ethical grounds I can pursue here, but if anyone knows please let me know.

AFAIK, every website with an affiliate program has Terms of Service, where it is clearly stated that the website owners can change the rules of the affiliate program(including commission rates) anytime they want. Joining the Affiliate program means that you accept those Terms of Service. Good luck going to court with any claims. Grin

I don't know about any affiliate program in the world, that would agree to discuss any changes of the commission rates with their affiliates. If you don't like the new commission rates, just stop promoting BCGame and try to find a casino with a more lucrative affiliate program.

Its not a legal question in my opinion, rather a loyality question. They changed it without letting us know by still showing us the old commission rate on their website (35%) - Eventhough its only 9.8% right now.

I earn now more on Nanogames then on BCGame (Nanogames is a clone of BCGame) - Where I only have a third of my referrals invited yet. That's kinda funny.

Its a serious sign of money problems. They obviously had to change stuff to adjust to their money issues. A pre-stage of death (just my opinion)

I wrote coco (BCGame creator) and let him know my opinion. The message is still unread since a week though.

BCGame will die soon or later, its showing clear signs of a breakdown. I will certainly not advertise BCGame anymore.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on May 23, 2023, 07:27:13 PM

As far as I can see in that regard, there is nothing you can do if bc games change their established rules because they are the ones who administer or control games and we are just players who decide whether we follow it or not.

But it cannot be denied the size of the percentage of their referral bonus. But if you think you have a fight or claim against what you are fighting in games, it is your right as long as you are in the right and you have strong evidence against them.

Well, whether it is a change in their games, in their terms and conditions, in their bonuses, or their referral commission percentage, a player or an affiliate can simply do nothing at all, they have all the rights to make any changes they want and casinos also mention this in their terms and conditions that they can always make changes in anything within the platform.

An affiliate who used the casino and earned commissions from their referrals will probably have to migrate to another platform in such a case since they will probably not change their policies only for one affiliate and they probably made the changes for a reason.

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Quote from: davis196 on May 25, 2023, 01:25:36 AM

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I don't know if there's any legal or ethical grounds I can pursue here, but if anyone knows please let me know.

AFAIK, every website with an affiliate program has Terms of Service, where it is clearly stated that the website owners can change the rules of the affiliate program(including commission rates) anytime they want. Joining the Affiliate program means that you accept those Terms of Service. Good luck going to court with any claims. Grin

I don't know about any affiliate program in the world, that would agree to discuss any changes of the commission rates with their affiliates. If you don't like the new commission rates, just stop promoting BCGame and try to find a casino with a more lucrative affiliate program.

They have the right but the site should inform everyone if there’s a changes with the terms.
Pursuing this to the court might not be worth it, instead of stressing yourself on that site, better to look for other option where you can still make profit on their affiliate program. This is how casinos work, they always change their ToS just to meat their goals and target profit, if its not ok already then move on to another.

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Quote from: masulum on May 23, 2023, 12:40:23 PM

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Agree with you that the affiliate program is very good for helping to bring in visitor traffic. I don't know why many casinos cut bonuses in that program even though they could have cut other programs, for example deposit bonus programs or other bonuses so they don't cut affiliate bonuses because that will create traffic too decreased, unless indeed they get casino traffic from other campaigns but I also think this affiliate program is very helpful.

The deposit bonus may not be removed from BC.game, because this promo is the most used and new members will trying the service with this bonus. When this promo is stopped, i don't think people who become affiliates will be able to get new members, even they get, maybe not for long time to use. Therefore, bc.game sacrifices their affiliates program, this is also not a good move, an affiliate is an unofficial marketing team for most businesses. And affiliates may be more effective in bringing gamblers to join than traditional advertising.

You are probably right that affiliates usually promote a service pretty well, and even if they do it for their own benefit since they earn money when someone joins under their link and uses the platform, the platform still benefits more from it since they get more money from those users invited by affiliates than how much commission they pay the affiliates.

A platform closing down or making changes in an affiliate program will surely affect its growth if they have affiliate workers who are bringing a lot of customers every now and then, they surely need to revise its program so that its affiliates don't switch platforms.

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I don't know if there's any legal or ethical grounds I can pursue here, but if anyone knows please let me know.

AFAIK, every website with an affiliate program has Terms of Service, where it is clearly stated that the website owners can change the rules of the affiliate program(including commission rates) anytime they want. Joining the Affiliate program means that you accept those Terms of Service. Good luck going to court with any claims. Grin

I don't know about any affiliate program in the world, that would agree to discuss any changes of the commission rates with their affiliates. If you don't like the new commission rates, just stop promoting BCGame and try to find a casino with a more lucrative affiliate program.

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Quote from: Stakefast on May 23, 2023, 08:55:55 AM

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Most of the users aren't satisfied for the sudden change of the affiliate commission rate. BC.Game team haven't informed about it to any crypto casino review making website owners. Do you know about BTCGOSU? BC.game team hasn't decreased the affiliate commission rate for BTCGOSU. It isn't easy to gain 5k referrals in a casino. OP has a small number of referrals on BC.game. But you have a lot of referrals there, they may consider to adjust your affiliate commission rate as you are bringing in a lot of users for them.

No matter what the level of their dissatisfaction it remains within the right of the casino to lower their rewards system at whatever time and this case is no different from that too, but what is not reasonable is for the casino to lower the affiliate rewards significantly such as in this case.

In any case, nothing last forever and we expect things to change at regular intervals, but the casino operator failed to give its promoters prior notice about the percentage drop.

Well, from what I think, it is not imminent for the casino to give their promoters any prior notice before making such a decision, most especially, the promoters who are not officially affiliated or hired by the casino as affiliate marketers, where it would have been very wrong is if the casino had hired op as an officially recognized affiliate marketer of the casino, and such a decision is taken and even implemented with his knowledge, then he(op) could have had all the right to sue the casino to court for breach of contract, this is if the contract does not have a line saying "we have every right to make changes to the affiliate reward system without prior notice bla bla bla" though.

I get your point that the casino, on paper, can switch up the reward system for its promoters. But, let's look at the larger impact here. We're living in a world where the grapevine and online reputation are pretty important, and a move like this could seriously smear the casino's image. It's particularly risky if the reward slash is big and without any warning. You're gonna have annoyed promoters which could turn into bad mouthing, which eventually hits the casino's public image and, by extension, their revenue. Even if the promoters aren't officially tied, they can still sway the casino's rep, especially in online circles. So, while the casino is in the clear legally to tweak the reward system, they might wanna ponder on the larger fallout and go for a more open and considerate method

There is a very common rule of publication in the media. The media always publish negative news for free and with great pleasure. But positive news, for example, in the crypto media about some kind of casino, is now always published only for payment for this publication. It's always advertising. And it is always fake and the achievements of the casino or their bonus programs, which are covered by the media, are always embellished. Yes, this is exactly the information field we now live in. And this information field greatly distorts reality.

I am writing all this because I have no doubt that the media will quickly and free of charge distribute such negative news for players from that casino.
There can be no doubt about this.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on May 23, 2023, 05:57:24 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on May 23, 2023, 03:14:42 PM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on May 23, 2023, 02:01:50 PM

Quote from: Stakefast on May 23, 2023, 08:55:55 AM

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Most of the users aren't satisfied for the sudden change of the affiliate commission rate. BC.Game team haven't informed about it to any crypto casino review making website owners. Do you know about BTCGOSU? BC.game team hasn't decreased the affiliate commission rate for BTCGOSU. It isn't easy to gain 5k referrals in a casino. OP has a small number of referrals on BC.game. But you have a lot of referrals there, they may consider to adjust your affiliate commission rate as you are bringing in a lot of users for them.

No matter what the level of their dissatisfaction it remains within the right of the casino to lower their rewards system at whatever time and this case is no different from that too, but what is not reasonable is for the casino to lower the affiliate rewards significantly such as in this case.

In any case, nothing last forever and we expect things to change at regular intervals, but the casino operator failed to give its promoters prior notice about the percentage drop.

Well, from what I think, it is not imminent for the casino to give their promoters any prior notice before making such a decision, most especially, the promoters who are not officially affiliated or hired by the casino as affiliate marketers, where it would have been very wrong is if the casino had hired op as an officially recognized affiliate marketer of the casino, and such a decision is taken and even implemented with his knowledge, then he(op) could have had all the right to sue the casino to court for breach of contract, this is if the contract does not have a line saying "we have every right to make changes to the affiliate reward system without prior notice bla bla bla" though.

I get your point that the casino, on paper, can switch up the reward system for its promoters. But, let's look at the larger impact here. We're living in a world where the grapevine and online reputation are pretty important, and a move like this could seriously smear the casino's image. It's particularly risky if the reward slash is big and without any warning. You're gonna have annoyed promoters which could turn into bad mouthing, which eventually hits the casino's public image and, by extension, their revenue. Even if the promoters aren't officially tied, they can still sway the casino's rep, especially in online circles. So, while the casino is in the clear legally to tweak the reward system, they might wanna ponder on the larger fallout and go for a more open and considerate method

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Quote from: Yogee on May 10, 2023, 10:31:47 PM

It's probably not their problem anymore if you don't make money out of it since they are not involved with your decision to pay bonuses to your invites. You should also adjust with the new rates.

It still says 35% on the affiliate page, but it has been decreased to 9.8% The affiliate program is not lucrative enough for me anymore, I'm probably gonna migrate to a different site along with my referrals if BCGame still choose to ignore me.

Also BCGame have been costcutting so much lately, the removal of rakeback, slashing affiliate %s and so on. I would advice people to stay away from the site as it seems like this is the start to something worse happening.

When the rules change for the worse for partners or players, this is a really bad signal.

In my opinion, those changes in the general history of this casino, when almost all bonus programs interesting for players change so significantly and quite unexpectedly and rather quickly, this is a clear sign that something serious is happening in general with the business of this casino. I think these innovations will really puzzle, or rather even scare a large number of players who used this casino. I do not really understand such devs decisions, when for one change the same referral program is immediately reduced by more than 3 times.

Of course, this is a serious signal for players and it is expected that their number in this casino may decrease. However, we don’t know for sure, maybe the devs have calculated everything and they are satisfied with such a reduction in players.
And we are unlikely to find out anytime soon.

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Quote from: StudsonBudson on May 10, 2023, 10:42:06 PM

Quote from: Yogee on May 10, 2023, 10:31:47 PM

It's probably not their problem anymore if you don't make money out of it since they are not involved with your decision to pay bonuses to your invites. You should also adjust with the new rates.

It still says 35% on the affiliate page, but it has been decreased to 9.8% The affiliate program is not lucrative enough for me anymore, I'm probably gonna migrate to a different site along with my referrals if BCGame still choose to ignore me.

Also BCGame have been costcutting so much lately, the removal of rakeback, slashing affiliate %s and so on. I would advice people to stay away from the site as it seems like this is the start to something worse happening.

When the rules change for the worse for partners or players, this is a really bad signal.

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Quote from: StudsonBudson on May 10, 2023, 10:20:52 PM

I have been on bc.game since a couple of years.
I have a successful affiliate campaign on there with over 40k+ commission made. But recently they decreased my affiliate percentage from 35% to 9.8% without any prior discussion or intimation.

I offer 10% to my referrals on their wager as a bonus to encourage them to use my link. Now that my affiliate % has been cut down to under 10% I virtually made 0 money on the last 4 million wagered under me as I still paid my referrals their 10%.
It's insane how BCGame threw me under the bus like this without any discussion with me.

I think this is part of their cost cutting campaign which began with them removing rakeback completely from the site followed by now slashing affiliate percentages. I tried reaching out to BCGame staff in so many ways but to zero success.

I don't know if there's any legal or ethical grounds I can pursue here, but if anyone knows please let me know.

With every dollar being wagered on my referral now, I'm losing money.

As far as I can see in that regard, there is nothing you can do if bc games change their established rules because they are the ones who administer or control games and we are just players who decide whether we follow it or not.

But it cannot be denied the size of the percentage of their referral bonus. But if you think you have a fight or claim against what you are fighting in games, it is your right as long as you are in the right and you have strong evidence against them.

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Quote from: Wiwo on May 23, 2023, 03:14:42 PM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on May 23, 2023, 02:01:50 PM

Quote from: Stakefast on May 23, 2023, 08:55:55 AM

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Most of the users aren't satisfied for the sudden change of the affiliate commission rate. BC.Game team haven't informed about it to any crypto casino review making website owners. Do you know about BTCGOSU? BC.game team hasn't decreased the affiliate commission rate for BTCGOSU. It isn't easy to gain 5k referrals in a casino. OP has a small number of referrals on BC.game. But you have a lot of referrals there, they may consider to adjust your affiliate commission rate as you are bringing in a lot of users for them.

No matter what the level of their dissatisfaction it remains within the right of the casino to lower their rewards system at whatever time and this case is no different from that too, but what is not reasonable is for the casino to lower the affiliate rewards significantly such as in this case.

In any case, nothing last forever and we expect things to change at regular intervals, but the casino operator failed to give its promoters prior notice about the percentage drop.

Well, from what I think, it is not imminent for the casino to give their promoters any prior notice before making such a decision, most especially, the promoters who are not officially affiliated or hired by the casino as affiliate marketers, where it would have been very wrong is if the casino had hired op as an officially recognized affiliate marketer of the casino, and such a decision is taken and even implemented with his knowledge, then he(op) could have had all the right to sue the casino to court for breach of contract, this is if the contract does not have a line saying "we have every right to make changes to the affiliate reward system without prior notice bla bla bla" though.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on May 23, 2023, 02:01:50 PM

Quote from: Stakefast on May 23, 2023, 08:55:55 AM

~snip~

Most of the users aren't satisfied for the sudden change of the affiliate commission rate. BC.Game team haven't informed about it to any crypto casino review making website owners. Do you know about BTCGOSU? BC.game team hasn't decreased the affiliate commission rate for BTCGOSU. It isn't easy to gain 5k referrals in a casino. OP has a small number of referrals on BC.game. But you have a lot of referrals there, they may consider to adjust your affiliate commission rate as you are bringing a lot of users for them.

That's just how things go, if they have already many players, then what's the use of paying on the same rate for referrals. They need to atleast lessen the rate to sustain their platform and avoid overpaying the referrals. It could also be abused which would be a loss to the platform as well. But this would reflect to all players not only for the most number of referrals.

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Quote from: Stakefast on May 23, 2023, 08:55:55 AM

I am advertising for bcgames for a while aswell. I collected over 5000 referrals, with more then 50k commission generated.
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That's pretty impressive! Congrats on that! I'm curious, how did you manage to attract such a large number of referrals? Do you have any strategies or tips that have worked well for you?

Quote from: Stakefast on May 23, 2023, 08:55:55 AM

I will let you know how it worked out.

Looking forward to hearing your insights!

I have a friend who is having quite of a number for referrals. His strategy is to give atleast 10% of what he would get from referral bonus to that player he would be able to refer. It is nothing much but atleast they'd have something from it. Might as well not as effictive as with other strategies but you may consider it.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on May 23, 2023, 02:01:50 PM

Quote from: Stakefast on May 23, 2023, 08:55:55 AM

~snip~

Most of the users aren't satisfied for the sudden change of the affiliate commission rate. BC.Game team haven't informed about it to any crypto casino review making website owners. Do you know about BTCGOSU? BC.game team hasn't decreased the affiliate commission rate for BTCGOSU. It isn't easy to gain 5k referrals in a casino. OP has a small number of referrals on BC.game. But you have a lot of referrals there, they may consider to adjust your affiliate commission rate as you are bringing in a lot of users for them.

No matter what the level of their dissatisfaction it remains within the right of the casino to lower their rewards system at whatever time and this case is no different from that too, but what is not reasonable is for the casino to lower the affiliate rewards significantly such as in this case.

In any case, nothing last forever and we expect things to change at regular intervals, but the casino operator failed to give its promoters prior notice about the percentage drop.

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