Topic: Be careful and don’t promote a scam campaign - page 2. (Read 836 times)

Sinbad was just used by bad actors to mix coins, just like they would with any other mixer. I am sure that was not their intention. It's not like you expected them to filter out stolen coins from clean coins. Once a mixer starts censoring transactions, then it ceases being a mixer.

Calling them scammers, yet they never stole anyone's coins during their time of operation, doesn't make sense.

Are you misspelling the website on purpose? The correct spelling is in all the links you posted.


ChipMixer was not a darknet market, or if you meant all their business came from darknet markets, that's not true either. Even Chainalysis found that the majority of funds sent through ChipMixer did not have "illicit origins."


Uh, not really. Did anyone actually lose BTC as a result of using their mixer? If so, who were they? Regardless, anyone who uses a mixer should already be aware of the risks.


There's not really such a thing as a "legitimate mixer." If you mean a mixer that did its job well or as advertised, "Sindbad" more or less fell into this category.

After a new scandal - Sindbad.io mixer - it's a hot topic again.

Participants of such campaign are not to blame but a manager needs to do good research.
And it has been known how Sindbad.io was a re-launch of Blender.io, a mixer operated by DarkNet syndicate. Sindbad.io was just a continued Blender.io:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sanctioned-mixer-blender-launched-sinbad-183621428.html
https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/02/13/sanctioned-mixer-blender-re-launched-as-sinbad-elliptic-says/
https://decrypt.co/208160/sanctioned-bitcoin-mixer-blender-relaunch-sinbad-sanctioned-again
https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/14/blender_crypto_mixer_sinbad/
https://decrypt.co/121222/new-sinbad-bitcoin-mixer-is-sanctioned-blender
https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-mixer-blender-has-been-rebranded-to-sinbad-says-elliptic
https://www.theblock.co/post/211225/sinbad-crypto-mixing-service-may-be-blender-in-disguise-elliptic
https://dailycoin.com/elliptic-reports-that-blender-rebranded-as-sinbad/

Operation of massively stolen and hacked funds, facilitated by known criminal syndicates, was known by doing a quick research already in February 2023.
Sindbad.io funds were not just from DarkNet markets like ChipMixer, funds were even from organized crime syndicates.

Sindbad.io abused Bitcointalk to attract clean coins, to get volumes for mixing Sindbad.io’s extremely tainted coins. Bitcointalk members were abused like exit liquidity from shitcoin pump and dumps.
It’s a real shame, what Sindbad.io pulled of.
We need to spot such scum next time. It's sad, how such a shady service was not questioned more.

And as a result, all mixers are banned now on Bitcointalk, even legitimate ones. 

Not mandatory - it depends on the manager and the client themselves. If the manager feels confident that the client will pay participants weekly without escrow, then the campaign can always continue. But on the other hand - escrow can certainly provide a sense of security for managers and participants because the payment is somewhat guaranteed.

You can compare different campaign managers on this - I'm sure their management is never the same. Some require their clients to send funds into escrow for payment over several weeks, while others pay participants weekly without escrow.

Yes, when money spedable for a campaign has dried up, campaign managers need to pause a campaign ASAP to prevent participants from continuing because campaign managers would no be able for a pay out.

I have been lucky to have worked with reputable campaign managers, even without doing personal research on the company I can rest easy because I know the CM has done extensively research on the company from the point the team reached out to the CM. One thing I have noticed and also admire about the campaign managers I’ve worked with is that they immediately alert the community and pause all promotions as soon as they find a problem with the company. This is the ethical thing to do when you’re in such situations.

my view on this is 50:50, I mean this is a free forum and the scam project is not mandatory at all. but yeah, back to ethical issues, when you promote a scam project the members on this forum will no longer be able to trust you, they will judge you as a member who is only after profit, look at the accounts that promote 1xbet, they are all affected red trust and their account will no longer be trusted by any member. so choose wisely which project you want to promote, don't promote a scam project just for the sake of change, feel sorry for the other members who are deceived.

OP I will say you did well by bringing up a topic of this nature here for discussion. Many signatures and bounties has have come and gone with lots of remarks with them and most times promoters of such also gets their own share of the remarks as it is be it good or bad.
There have been lots of scam cases pertaining to projects here but you should know that no reputable member who grew through ranks here to becoming a reputable manager here intentionally promotes scam.

I will tell you this that most projects that scammed members and the public came unnoticed by their managers here not until they have gone far their campaign their scam intentions were carried out. Most times managers do their due diligence before accepting campaigns and you can not tell when a project is for real or not when they all their plans well covered so no one could detect it but if in the course of promotion it happens that such campaign or project is a scam members should be able to resist d desist from promoting such and if they continue they are likely facing the red tag line and would definitely get it so just like the case of 1xbit as you have said here.

Every one hear is old enough to know what is good and bad but in some cases, the situation at which things present itself would make you not really have clues what it is all about not until you have gone done it yourself to see them you can have the feel of it to tell how it is. As for the tagging of accounts, there must be proof or facts just as you have said to back up accusations because that is what the rules States here from my findings and any one doing such must be able to present it for clarifications as to why happened beyond a reasonable doubt before actions are taken against the defaulter.

I don't knwo, you need to ask a scamming signature campaign.
But if it's a scam service, it is likely for all particiants to get scammed as well.

Wrong!
Promoting a scam project is intentional because we should always do a research.
We can clearly see 1xbit is a scam project and promoting it in our signature should result in a negative trust.

What's the point of even doing a legit projects signature campaign if they don't pay their bounty hunters? Sometimes legit projects also do that and some reputable bounty managers also fall for such projects. Promoting a scam project is not intentional and if anyone does that intentionally even after warning from other members then i think they will get a red flag from DT members at some level of the campaign.

Yes, and we should not support such a campaign. We habe 1xbit here on Bitcointalk, it's is a proven scamsite. As a scam sportsbook, 1xbit has scammed many community members and 1xbit has all its accounts on Bitcointalk painted in negative trust from various DT members.
It is offering a signature campaign and we should not join because it means supporting a scamsite.
Stay away from 1xbit, don’t bet on 1xbit and don’t add 1xbet’s signature.
If someone still joins 1xbit signature campaign and endorses it via signature, a negative Trust from many DT members is justified for endorsing it.

The big question right now is, will 1xbit leave the forum?
They know that they can still lure some newbies here, register in their website, and then scam them. Well, the number decreases as many know that they are a scam site, but I believe that there are still who are getting scammed by this shitty website. Maybe those 1xbit participants are an alt-accounts of a group of people here.

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What OP is saying is that, always be careful, and don't promote a scam campaign right?
How can you identify if that campaign is a scam or not? You will never know unless they did it.

I remembered the recent signature campaign which is BetterCaulRaul.it. I mean they've been here for months, gaining he trust of the users, he participants, and even the manager who launched the campaign. They've been here for months, and that's enough for them to gain the trust of people here, only to find out that they ran away alongside the money that they got.

Bottom line is, you will never know that a campaign is a scam unless they'll scam you.

To me I don't think no campaign would drop a notification that they're here to scam or have bad intentions. When I first got into this Forum I had no idea of 1xbit being a scammy campaign, until I start asking why the users all have red tags on them. How can one tell if any campaign is a scam or not?
1xbit is not a campaign many of us would like to apply for, my question is, is there no way to stop 1xbit entirely from operating in this forum? Because to me the more they're around they won't clear their name from the bad book. Even some of the participants that don't know the crime or offence 1xbit committed just continue with the red flag tag and they're comfortable. Sometimes I feel uncomfortable around them commenting or replying to some post😔. Is there no way of restricting 1xbit or any scam campaign users from posting on some threads until something positive is done?

They all have red trust for taking part in scam campaigns but they don't really care for it because they are getting paid for it and that only matters for the 1xbit participants.They are aware about it and we have lot of threads about similar discussion but on moral grounds they should think about it as they are also destroying their forum reputation and what after it ends? They cannot participate in any other campaign and mostly you will see spam posters there because the campaign is not looking for high quality posts but only a specific number of weekly posts which they can easily make advertising their signature.So with our motivation they will not leave the campaign so can't do anything about it as forum rules also can't take any action against them.

How will you know that the campaign is for scamming? Unless the campaign is announced by forum members that it is a scam site. And the only campaign that has that scam name in the forum as for now is 1XBit.  I don't think any reputable user in the forum will join a scam campaign to promote the site. It is only like scammers like them can join their campaigns. Nobody like to be scammed and also like to promote scam sites. It is good you remind them on it .

This is a Very good advice, we have very professional Bounty managers here on Bitcointalk of a great reputation who will look out for shady projects and also avoid such projects, while also ensuring an escrow of funds. Most projects are hiring a good manager but some do not and such cases can lead to confusion. It is also an important advice to select Bitcoin campaigns over Altcoins campaigns because Bitcoin campaigns have proven to be more reliable, while many Altcoins have,This may be the overall intention of many of us here, but the problem is that sometimes you can't tell which one is legit and which one is a scam. If it is already proven as scam, it is easy to avoid. But if it is a new project, who can tell? As a matter of fact, who does a deep research? Some people may do a little background checking and find nothing alarming, perhaps even with some red flags. Even popular managers here have probably promoted a scam or two.

Apart from 1xbit, there are a few others that came from bounty managers on this forum and the projects are all scams, I think the best way to avoid such is by following the right bounty managers on this forum.

If Bounty managers have ranked on the forum, some will never become popular because all they bring to the table are scam projects, the more popular your bounty manager is the better your signature campaign experience will be.

Altcoin bounties are were the real spamming are coming from, scam projects, shit posters, and shitty Bounty managers, only very limited Bounty managers in the altcoins discussion boards are good.

This may be the overall intention of many of us here, but the problem is that sometimes you can't tell which one is legit and which one is a scam. If it is already proven as scam, it is easy to avoid. But if it is a new project, who can tell? As a matter of fact, who does a deep research? Some people may do a little background checking and find nothing alarming, perhaps even with some red flags. Even popular managers here have probably promoted a scam or two.

I think the best response to any fraudulent act in the forum would be letting out them red print to anyone, company or firm that's labeled a properly investigated scam reputation... When that's done, It doesn't just serve as a deterrent to other participants but it also keeps every other participants on alert lest they don't bumb into any of those scammers....
1xbit has been labelled as a scammy project for a long time now and I feel anyone should've known that already... exceptions are made for the new breed anyways. I dunno how wonderful it feels to give what you toiled through several years to very unpleasant firms like that... just for some few bucks that will certainly end in not more than 4 months..

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Of course this really needs to be done. Because after all, do we have to support scam platforms? of course not, right? And we also cannot support all activities carried out by scammers and their supporters, including bounty participants. But somehow many people or some members here only focus on the rewards, regardless if what they are promoting is a scam or not. It's sad to see how this happened. And somehow, no matter how many times the project was stopped and fought against, they still exist and more and more members support them to get money from them. What an irony