Topic: Be careful of $5 wrench attacks! Also, of thieves armed with Toblerone bars! (Read 831 times)

1000000% True if you had ton of crypto bitcoin and the other is always better keep a secret.

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I always tell everyone that they should make at least 2 wallet the hot wallet that everyone know and the cold wallet that only you know. Because flexing your net worth is really scarry nowadays because like the song from Twenty one pilot
"You'll never know the psychopath sitting next to you
You'll never know the murderer sitting next to you"

The problem is that you can never be too private when it comes to this kind of things anyway because most likely you have a friend that you have a confidence to share this kind of thing without the worry that they might steal from you, that's just how it is, most likely the attackers know the woman or at least was hired (most likely) by someone that she knows and that person knows that she owns this big stash of bitcoins because I don't think that any random criminal yahoo is going to target someone because they know themselves that they've got a bitcoin, most lowlifes tend to go for easier targets like jewelries and cash, anything outside that is going to be a different story. That Toblerone bar's probably just a disguise or something.

You are right robberies and break ins are bad things that happen. But mentioning Toblerone bar as weapon seems strange. Using Toblerone bar to hurt someone does not make sense even if it is filled with iron. Stick from tree would be more frightening. Victim was probably scared because three men were there not because of chocolate bar. Having multiple people threatening you is scary no matter what they have. Danger of getting hurt is real even if they do not have strange object like Toblerone bar.

Okay I understand the machate part, like that is what a robber may do, and I understand entering someone's house, these are all terrible things that people have done before and there isn't any way that we would stop these from happening, world will have bad people along with the good, that's something we just have to get used to.

However, the part I do not understand... Toblerone bar? Lol, what the hell is that, someone used a toblerone bar to scare or even hit someone with it? That makes absolutely no sense, hell a stick from any tree would have been more reasonable than this, using a toblerone bar, even if you fill it full of iron instead of chocolate, makes absolutely no sense to anyone at all and definitely not a "weapon". At that point, she was probably just scared there were three men there, you could have zero weapons, and she would still be scared, they could kill her with their bare hands, so there is really no reason to not to be afraid.

One of the most dangerous but true actions made by most of the victims who  I think got robbed has shared this on social media or might be telling other people about holding crypto publicly and this stupid decision will lead to harmful consequences.

I am not a rich but I started working at a very yearly age and when my friends were seeing that I was earning money, they all were begging me to give it to them, to buy a beer for friends, they were like parasites.
Btw when I collected one Bitcoin first time, I was talking about it with many people but when price started rising, many people came to me like aren't you the one who owns one Bitcoin? Don't you wanna spend it with friends? Then I realized that I shouldn't speak about my money with everyone and should protect my privacy. That was the moment when I used a mixer and changed my Bitcoin wallet address. Privacy is very important or we will attract parasites and criminals. It's sad that some people are punished for hard work and wealth by lazy criminals.

She could have discussed about her Bitcoin portfolio with know people for the thieves to have traced her. We don't actually know how the thieves get to know about her Bitcoin portfolio but I think we need to learn from this so we don't also fall victim. Few people could have had the same experience because of their frequent discussions about Bitcoin and what they have benefited from the crypto space. Is high time we keep our holdings private and never to disclose how much we could worth considering our crypto holdings. Their are so much to learn from incidence like this one.

We do know that older people or to those who are sitting into those senior age category are really that most likely that missing out those important things and would really be that confidently be trying out to make transactions around and making themselves that too obvious, and since we do know that crypto is already that becoming a trend then you could really be able to expect around that there would really be those individuals who would really be taking advantage and just waiting up for the right time for them to steal up your coins no matter what the actions that they needed to be doing so. They would really be that making things to be less obvious as much as possible and this is why toblerone bars that comes up into their idea on which whom would really be expecting that those things could fit on there and be used on such crime?

This is why if you do really value your security then it will really be that ideal to be keeping yourself mouth shut and making crypto transactions as discrete as possible. You dont even know on who would be the one
will really be having those bad intentions into you specially if they've known that you have lots of coins. Even into our relatives and friends then there's no way that we could put up that 100% trust.
Money could changed up peoples behavior and change up colors in a snap and would really be trying to take things away from you.

Well, to be honest about it, the Toblerone bar was found in the room by the robbers, they just picked something up to beat the victim, they didn't come armed with it.


Cointelegraph just took it from BBC and they made the article from here:
https://www.scotland.police.uk/what-s-happening/news/2023/november/lanarkshire-man-convicted-following-the-high-value-theft-of-cryptocurrency-in-blantyre/

You can read the court decision here:
https://judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2023/11/28/hma-v-john-ross-rennie


They didn't seize those coins, they sized some crypto and other goods and funds, he had already changed those coins and sent a part to the actual robbers, getting something like 35 000 for himself at that time. A bit misleading but it can be ignored,  not the worst thing the media has done and in this case, there is indeed a case of the authorities really playing with words on the whole about what crypto they seized and when.

Weaponized Toblerones is wild.
 
We obviously need to ban Toblerones and only allow the sale of separately packed Toblerone bits. 

You are right, there is someone who knows about the woman and also knows that she is holding a Bitcoin, no matter how smart a person or a Harm robber is they can not see you and bring out something that you should transfer a Bitcoin without not knowing about you, people who are close to you are those people that might Inform them or join hands together so that they can have your coin, this life you have to be careful with those who you call friends and family because your success is always their problem, some people are not happy that you are holding bitcoin or you are into crypto and you are making a profit from it.

Privacy and security are very important and we have to learn how to keep our secrets to ourselves, we don't need to tell anyone the sources of our income, we have seen many people die because they reveal to the people who are close to them that they have made without not thinking of what will happen at the end, we need to be careful with ourselves and always learn from people and examples we see because some of us will see this post and still decide to be showing his or herself until the same thing happen to them.

I think "tableroners" consider crypto as an easy grab ^{(they just think that it is more hard to track them after robbery)} when  comparing  with the  regular money thus they pay attention to crypto cards more than often. Thus any workaround ^{(including disguising such cards via  Apple/Google Pay)} is nice to have. BTW, Tangem is  alive to the importance of the matter and issued stealth cards - new discrete cold wallet.

These are interesting times indeed. People are robbed of their crypto with weird weapons, one with a $5 wrench here, another with a Toblerone bar there, and many others with big tits.

But what's apparently more interesting is why the prosecutors who seized 23.5BTC from a 2020 robbery are allowed to convert them to cash. Those coins are stolen assets; why aren't they returned as they are? If the authorities seize a stolen bike, which specific provision of the law allows them to convert that bike into cash?

I don't trust Cointelegraph with journalistic practice but I wonder when the conversion was made, whether they had the permission of the owner, and why the high court decided to assign value to the asset based on the price during the commission of the crime and not during the conversion of the coins. Or better yet, why not return the entire proceeds of the conversion? Did they retain a good amount for themselves?

I thought this was a joke first. But I guess it makes the suspect less threatening if the victims saw him carrying what seems to be a harmless huge chocolate bar.


More and more house invasions are happening recently and a lot of them are in pursuit of bitcoin. These victims are not randomly chosen as not everyone could have had bitcoin and it would be pointless to threaten someone who doesn’t know anything about it. This is once again reminder to not tell anyone about whether you are holding bitcoin or not and how much you are holding. Also have some self defense devices on you or at your house at all times. It will be useful.

that's a good choice, it's better if we don't show off all our wealth to our friends or people around us because behind our success there must be someone who is jealous of us.
Live like ordinary people so that criminals don't intend to steal all the wealth we have.
In my country there was also a robbery, where the robber stole all the victim's jewelry and then the robber also asked for all the Bitcoin they had to be transferred to the robber's wallet, but the victim's husband did not want to send their Bitcoin and finally the victim's husband died because he was killed by the robber. This robbery happened because the wife of the murdered husband often showed off their wealth on social media.

The robber will torture you in this way if they had enough information about you before pulling off the attack, if they know you are very rich in BTC and you are showing them a few hundreds, they are surely going to torture you real bad. I always recommend setting up a passphrase, and loading the base wallet with a convincing amount of money, it can help one claim plausible deniability and if you're lucky it can save you.

Doesn't it look a bit contradictory? At first, bitcoiners dreamed of crypto cards, and having received this, they start to be "a bit shy" to use it directly because of the threat of "toblerone attack" by intruders? Both crypto and regular money can be stolen and robbed. Even any bank cards, but this doesn't push you to use workarounds with Apple Pay or something else, right. Wanted to get crypto cards - got them, well, if so, then use them, and don't invent alternative options instead of their intended purpose.

He was the guy who tipped them about the victim owning Bitcoin, the prosecutors seem to have made a deal on him ratting out the assailants.


The EFP won't do any good for protection, you can only have competition guns which are useless, or hunting guns for small game, so the ammunition is one problem and the gun the other, a hunting rifle as self-defense in a fast attack when you're; taken by surprise is useless.



What stopped the robber from hitting you with a hammer over your fingers every time you say you don't have any more Bitcoins in some other wallet, he has nothing to lose but a few minutes while if you keep denying you will end without a hand, how long do you think you will be able to hide your second stash and not utter a single word about it in such conditions?

cell phones of any kind that can make a payment are all subject to five dollar wrench attack.

in New York City there was a gay bar ring that would drug a person at the bar use the fingerprint to open the phone and wipe out the funds on the phone.

Let me find the link.

a few died from the drugged drinks. 🍹

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-robbery-crews-eyed-in-more-than-40-manhattan-druggings-and-people-are-dying-officials/4193190/

If there is no way you can use BTC without your family knowing, then you should also tell them about the risks of using BTC, which includes the risk of a $5 wrench attack, so they should not go about telling people that you have BTC if they don't want to be tied alongside you as criminals torture you to send them your coins.
Telling people about crypto would not change their financial situation if they don't have money to buy BTC, or if they don't have knowledge and skills that they can offer for BTC or crypto.