I once again set my profile to refuse PMs from newbies because of merit begging. A shame, because up until that point the PMs I got from newbies were genuine requests for help with mining or the like and now people like that will be punished because of the selfish/lazy/merit-obsessed.
Topic: Be careful with Merit beggars (Read 525 times)
What insulting is that they’re begging to someone who have no smerit to give 
(It’s random PM)
It’s like asking food to a hungry person! Ouch I badly need to PM merit sources for charity merit work.
(It’s random PM)It’s like asking food to a hungry person! Ouch I badly need to PM merit sources for charity merit work.
”It is justice, not charity, that is wanting in the world." - Mary Wollstonecraft
I got few PM's from merit beggars, but I usually ignore these kind of messages. I had replied just to one post, I called that users spammer because all of his posts was just "Proof of authentication" messages. I don't report them or reveal their names because I don't think it's very big issue. I'd better just warn them that's not OK to beg for Merits because some of them don't understand it. If their cintinue to beg for Merits, then they should be red tagged.
Today I am just checking if the user is banned or not and I found out that user is banned but user created at least 5 more accounts to join this forum.
What a high level of motivation for doing shit posting.
It will give some hard time for the moderator to regulate this kind of attitude. It seems like it is so easy for them to create alt accounts with almost the same name. I wonder why the owner of that account was thinking when he/she made the accounts. Though it is not a violation of having alt accounts but if one is being ban then probably creating more accounts is ban evasion. What a high level of motivation for doing shit posting.
We know users are aware of this creating alt accounts could be a problem to the forum but do they care about it? They just mind themselves doing for them what is right even though it is actually wrong.
Again, this is a hard job to the moderator because of the unending process of ban and creating alt accounts here in the forum. Anyway, I hope one day there will be a solution for this.
Good luck to all MODZ.
I got one PM asking me whether I need some merits?
In the next PM the person cleared intentions of selling via Paypal payments. I just ignored the message. Merit is something which should come as reward but if it is traded with money then it is just a commodity not merit.
In the next PM the person cleared intentions of selling via Paypal payments. I just ignored the message. Merit is something which should come as reward but if it is traded with money then it is just a commodity not merit.
If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.
In this case, many DT members should not be in DT for much longer. I can't remember how many profiles had been tagged because of merit issues (not selling). I think DT members have to review some of their judgements.Abusing merit via alts deserve an immediate RedTag, but let's remember about accounts being tagged for "begging for merit" which falls also under acceptable category deserving RedTrust but also a something stupid (less than selling merits) that destroy reputations of many users.
Sounds about right. We're replacing spam posts with merit begging posts; indeed a very helpful policy. Liberalism strikes again. https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2Fi2ARpvsAPsg%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&sp=a9cd2713c78e5028b7318870d0e6f6ee
If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.
So what should be those stupid things involving merit, and less than selling merit that doesn't desrerve a Tag Would you please provide some clarification hints about the subject discussed above. I still need a solid response about Theymos recent statement.
Am I lucky that they didn't sent me a PM regarding the begging of merit 
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Anyway, I pity for that user who constructed his message for a few hours knowing that he will be ignored immediately
. Those beggars must be banned here in the forum. The forum has no room for beggars like them 
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.Anyway, I pity for that user who constructed his message for a few hours knowing that he will be ignored immediately
. Those beggars must be banned here in the forum. The forum has no room for beggars like them . 
Some people tried to PM me too, and it is someone who found my Telegram account and started to kiss ass. It's not that he's not a good poster, but he is trying to ask for merit, not begging, but is on the way there. Asking me to look at this particular post and it's his post, it's a deceptive way of begging. lol
He stupidly sent one to me as well. I usually just ignore them but three other people reported the message too so he got a temp ban. This is his second ban as well. Not sure what the first was for but probably the same or unsolicited PMs (which this is also).
It is pity that temp/permanent ban to newbie profile does not mean too much. I am sure currently he might be busy again with something like below:
Few days back I reported a user in LoyceV thread for spamming.
Today I am just checking if the user is banned or not and I found out that user is banned but user created at least 5 more accounts to join this forum.
What a high level of motivation for doing shit posting.
Today I am just checking if the user is banned or not and I found out that user is banned but user created at least 5 more accounts to join this forum.
What a high level of motivation for doing shit posting.
Insanity is doing the same thing time and time again expecting a different response,the handwriting should have already been boldly written on the wall for merits beggars/begging..
You simply cannot earn merits when you beg for them,you instead get tagged or temp banned or worse still bashed,sweared at by other members
It takes a lot of stress and time to send numerous high ranked members pm's to beg for merits.
Half of that time could be put into a little study about bitcoin,the merit system,coming up with a valuable suggestion etc
Thats what could earn one a merit
You simply cannot earn merits when you beg for them,you instead get tagged or temp banned or worse still bashed,sweared at by other members
It takes a lot of stress and time to send numerous high ranked members pm's to beg for merits.
Half of that time could be put into a little study about bitcoin,the merit system,coming up with a valuable suggestion etc
Thats what could earn one a merit
This is a normal practice, but I think the policy against the merit abuse has changed a bit the last few weeks.
I got this message deleted /my comment in green/ I know it was for off-topic but I just archived the request for merit.
I got this message deleted /my comment in green/ I know it was for off-topic but I just archived the request for merit.
Yeah, my post in the same thread was deleted as well. I figured it might be for not being strictly on-topic, but if merit-beggars aren't publicly humiliated then they won't stop begging.
BTW - After Coin-1 posted that list of people "most generous to newbies" I received a couple of PMs surreptitiously asking for merits. Because they weren't outright asking me for merits I just warned them that if they were any more direct in their requests they could expect to receive red trust from a DT member, but if I received a PM like the OP showed from argio I would definitely report that for spam and try to get a DT member on the case.
Lol, this kinda happened with #metoo, Even though I am not a merit source but this "request" was from a member who I traded with before. He was kind of worried that I will report/neg him. Lol... Anyway here is the screenshot of the conversation 
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Merit: 2615
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Maybe that's what their first ban was for.
He stupidly sent one to me as well. I usually just ignore them but three other people reported the message too so he got a temp ban. This is his second ban as well. Not sure what the first was for but probably the same or unsolicited PMs (which this is also).
There is also multi-bumping in their thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xxx-4431900
I reported some posts but there is tons more.
Are Copper Members able to bypass the Newbie PM restriction? If so, shouldn’t this perhaps be revised after the Jr. Member demotions and (presumably) increase of Copper Member purchases by Newbies?
I don't think they are. Copper membership benefits does not cover or reduce PM restrictions according to Theymos
But none of the PM-related restrictions are currently lifted, such as the style limit or per-hour PM limit.)
I think it's as a result of the demotion of jr members without a decrease in activity (which the system recognizes when a user deletes posts)
It's just a guess, but I think the system might not automatically have reinstated the restriction on demoted accounts.
This is a normal practice, but I think the policy against the merit abuse has changed a bit the last few weeks.
I got this message deleted /my comment in green/ I know it was for off-topic but I just archived the request for merit.
I got this message deleted /my comment in green/ I know it was for off-topic but I just archived the request for merit.
I really hope that my efforts will be taken into account and you will give me merit.
If it was a maybe one or two months ago, this request above could be considered as a merit begging, now things changed. People leave only neutral comments.
Reading theymos comment below leaves me with feelings that (small) abusers are no longer chased as before.
Well, it appears that your source merit either wasn't upped to 250 a month ago like me, or you are just letting it expire. Theymos gave me instructions to try and do my best to distribute all of it. I'm doing the best that I can; yet have already had complaints. I really despise this statistic. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban Now I am on the list that appears to point out merit abuse suspects. I was originally very honored to become a merit source. But now I feel that my reputation is at stake with every single merit that I am obligated to distribute. I know that I only have black trust at the moment. However, I keep checking my trust rating to make sure some DT member doesn't decide to red tag me because they feel that I am being "abusive" or derelict in my duty.
If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down.
If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.
Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.
The topsendban list is just a first indication of abuse, and many excellent people are on it. Your place on there acts as a sort of benchmark: eg. chandra12 has a similar score there, but whereas you are an extremely active merit-giver with a diverse selection of posts merited (most of which anyone would agree with), chandra12 only has two large merit sends. His behavior in comparison to yours while having a similar topsendban score is what creates a strong abuse impression.
I appreciate the work of you and other sources who take it seriously!
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He stupidly sent one to me as well. I usually just ignore them but three other people reported the message too so he got a temp ban. This is his second ban as well. Not sure what the first was for but probably the same or unsolicited PMs (which this is also).
Yes, got that one too. I was surprised I actually received it, since I don’t have the “Allow newbies to send you PMs” checked. The sender is a de-ranked Newbie, but also a Copper Member. I’ve been trying for a while to see if Copper Member Newbies could bypass this restriction, but I wasn’t in the clear, and was actually about to create a quick post to clarify this. No need to open a thread for it now, since the OP gives the perfect context to my questions:
Are Copper Members able to bypass the Newbie PM restriction?
If so, shouldn’t this perhaps be revised after the Jr. Member demotions and (presumably) increase of Copper Member purchases by Newbies?
Are Copper Members able to bypass the Newbie PM restriction?
If so, shouldn’t this perhaps be revised after the Jr. Member demotions and (presumably) increase of Copper Member purchases by Newbies?
Wow, those members who gave him neutral trust for that were being extremely kind. I recall getting a PM some months ago from a noob with a request just like this one, and I gave him a neg for it--and I don't think I was being too harsh.
Also, people should be reporting these PMs to the mods when they get them. I'm not sure if that can or will result in a ban for the merit beggar, but I know PM spam isn't tolerated.
Also, people should be reporting these PMs to the mods when they get them. I'm not sure if that can or will result in a ban for the merit beggar, but I know PM spam isn't tolerated.
Anyway, a report might do the trick;
Dammit, you beat me to it! 
The desperation of some people. 🤷 As if allocating a few hours a day of your time into learning and reading about bitcoin is THAT hard.
Anyway, a report might do the trick; and add a negative trust point just to be sure, if ever the user doesn't get banned immediately.
Anyway, a report might do the trick; and add a negative trust point just to be sure, if ever the user doesn't get banned immediately.
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