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Topic: BeeMiner 1T BTC Miner official thread based on Bitmine A1 - page 3. (Read 5850 times)
Hi jbcheng
So I will remind you as simply as possible as a summary of that document above (also as per the file COPYING included with the cgminer source and binaries).
The license you have agreed to by using cgminer means:
You are free to modify and distribute binaries based on cgminer provided you distribute the source with your modifications, or a link to a publicly available download site that hosts the source, or provide the option to send a copy of the source on media for no more than the cost of the media, along with a copy of the license included in all binaries and source distributed or a link to the COPYING file. If you do not do this within 30 days, then your license to distribute the binaries will be revoked and you will be open to prosecution.
Fortunately, the author of cgminer is a Mod of this forum so he can fully clarifly the licensing.
Two A few questions:
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
1, We use CGminer as mining software and we based on the open sources CG and developed by our own team to suit our hardware. at the current stage, we will not be able to open source. I believe others won't either.
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
As always I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume there is some misunderstanding on your part about the license you have agreed to when choosing cgminer and deciding to develop your driver based on its code, or that you have misunderstood what is being asked of you.- will your driver and/or mining software be open source?
- In the case where GPL code is used, will you respect the license and post your modifications? You know, unlike your competitors (I'm looking at you bitmain and lketc
). - will you make your circuit schematic docs open source - or at least available as PDF?
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
So I will remind you as simply as possible as a summary of that document above (also as per the file COPYING included with the cgminer source and binaries).
The license you have agreed to by using cgminer means:
You are free to modify and distribute binaries based on cgminer provided you distribute the source with your modifications, or a link to a publicly available download site that hosts the source, or provide the option to send a copy of the source on media for no more than the cost of the media, along with a copy of the license included in all binaries and source distributed or a link to the COPYING file. If you do not do this within 30 days, then your license to distribute the binaries will be revoked and you will be open to prosecution.
Hi All,
As per communicated with the technical team, I was told that BeeMiner's mining software was developed based on the software PAK provided by our chipset supplier. and we do not own the source code at all and as per communication with the chipset supplier, BeeMiner was not permitted to provide the source code at the current stage. And the Chipset supplier will decide whether to open source or when to do so.
We are trying our best to develop our own at the moment and once we done, we will consider to open the source code for review in later time.
Sorry about the misunderstanding above.
jbcheng
Ahh, just a simple misunderstanding. It happens!
Just to be perfectly clear: what you're saying is that Beeminer's chipset supplier (Innosilicon I presume) actually developed a mining program in-house which is not based on, a derivative work of, or a modification of the cgminer source code? Is this accurate?
Hi there,
As I declared, we are a manufacturing company and we do have our own system or chipset supplier. While mining rig manufacturing in China now do have a comprehensive chain and we are just part of that. But I can not tell you who is our supplier just because this is trade secret and you are not my customer and you won't need to know it. and my customer won't care about who is my supplier either coz price and delivery is the primary they always ask.
I have explain the details to my system supplier regarding the misunderstanding of the CG miner license. thus they have put into the resource and redevelop the new mining software. and they have demonstrated me a new mining interface which shows NON RELATIVE to CG. and we hope the final version will be released to BeeMiner within 2 weeks.
Once again, We really sorry about the misunderstanding about the CG open source License. by the time our supplier release the new software, we will upgrade all our mining software to the NON CG related version.
What we do just want to secure our investment and gain the profit as per our team hard working. we are not purposely mess the open source community and we will consider to do the same thing once we confirm the open source will beneficial the end user not our competitors.
For our valued customer, Thanks for trust BeeMiner and what we can promise is you will get the mining capacity we claimed. There is no point to hide anything to our end user regarding the mining capacity because the higher capacity we deliver, the higher price we can after. and the miner is stand alone and you will not put any sensitive information into the miner.
Bitcoin community is an ecosystem now and each one of us play different role in it. and every one should have his own reason to step in this industry. What BeeMiner want to do is to dedicated into the hardware manufacturing and developing and gain profit by our effort.
Thanks
jbcheng
Hi jbcheng
So I will remind you as simply as possible as a summary of that document above (also as per the file COPYING included with the cgminer source and binaries).
The license you have agreed to by using cgminer means:
You are free to modify and distribute binaries based on cgminer provided you distribute the source with your modifications, or a link to a publicly available download site that hosts the source, or provide the option to send a copy of the source on media for no more than the cost of the media, along with a copy of the license included in all binaries and source distributed or a link to the COPYING file. If you do not do this within 30 days, then your license to distribute the binaries will be revoked and you will be open to prosecution.
Fortunately, the author of cgminer is a Mod of this forum so he can fully clarifly the licensing.
Two A few questions:
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
1, We use CGminer as mining software and we based on the open sources CG and developed by our own team to suit our hardware. at the current stage, we will not be able to open source. I believe others won't either.
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
As always I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume there is some misunderstanding on your part about the license you have agreed to when choosing cgminer and deciding to develop your driver based on its code, or that you have misunderstood what is being asked of you.- will your driver and/or mining software be open source?
- In the case where GPL code is used, will you respect the license and post your modifications? You know, unlike your competitors (I'm looking at you bitmain and lketc ).
- will you make your circuit schematic docs open source - or at least available as PDF?
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
So I will remind you as simply as possible as a summary of that document above (also as per the file COPYING included with the cgminer source and binaries).
The license you have agreed to by using cgminer means:
You are free to modify and distribute binaries based on cgminer provided you distribute the source with your modifications, or a link to a publicly available download site that hosts the source, or provide the option to send a copy of the source on media for no more than the cost of the media, along with a copy of the license included in all binaries and source distributed or a link to the COPYING file. If you do not do this within 30 days, then your license to distribute the binaries will be revoked and you will be open to prosecution.
Hi All,
As per communicated with the technical team, I was told that BeeMiner's mining software was developed based on the software PAK provided by our chipset supplier. and we do not own the source code at all and as per communication with the chipset supplier, BeeMiner was not permitted to provide the source code at the current stage. And the Chipset supplier will decide whether to open source or when to do so.
We are trying our best to develop our own at the moment and once we done, we will consider to open the source code for review in later time.
Sorry about the misunderstanding above.
jbcheng
Ahh, just a simple misunderstanding. It happens!
Just to be perfectly clear: what you're saying is that Beeminer's chipset supplier (Innosilicon I presume) actually developed a mining program in-house which is not based on, a derivative work of, or a modification of the cgminer source code? Is this accurate?
1.5 T BeeMiner coming soon... 
Good to know, so I'll watch out on the site of the manufacturer....
1.5 T BeeMiner coming soon...
What's with the constant stupid smilies? and this is your "technical" guy??
Price and delivery date?
I can't see why anyone would pay anything close to $3599 for 1th miner at current diff
Price and delivery date?
I can't see why anyone would pay anything close to $3599 for 1th miner at current diff
The price was set based on the total cost of our miners. While BTC price keep on dropping while Chipset and other component cost remain no change. Plus our miner total have 5 modules and 40 Chipsets inside compare to the other competitor 4 modules 32 chipsets inside. and our miner Minimum speed 1.15 Terra and some reach to 1.25 Terra. Thus the price shall be reasonable.
Thanks
Jbcheng
Hi jbcheng
So I will remind you as simply as possible as a summary of that document above (also as per the file COPYING included with the cgminer source and binaries).
The license you have agreed to by using cgminer means:
You are free to modify and distribute binaries based on cgminer provided you distribute the source with your modifications, or a link to a publicly available download site that hosts the source, or provide the option to send a copy of the source on media for no more than the cost of the media, along with a copy of the license included in all binaries and source distributed or a link to the COPYING file. If you do not do this within 30 days, then your license to distribute the binaries will be revoked and you will be open to prosecution.
Fortunately, the author of cgminer is a Mod of this forum so he can fully clarifly the licensing.
Two A few questions:
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
1, We use CGminer as mining software and we based on the open sources CG and developed by our own team to suit our hardware. at the current stage, we will not be able to open source. I believe others won't either.
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
As always I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume there is some misunderstanding on your part about the license you have agreed to when choosing cgminer and deciding to develop your driver based on its code, or that you have misunderstood what is being asked of you.- will your driver and/or mining software be open source?
- In the case where GPL code is used, will you respect the license and post your modifications? You know, unlike your competitors (I'm looking at you bitmain and lketc ).
- will you make your circuit schematic docs open source - or at least available as PDF?
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
So I will remind you as simply as possible as a summary of that document above (also as per the file COPYING included with the cgminer source and binaries).
The license you have agreed to by using cgminer means:
You are free to modify and distribute binaries based on cgminer provided you distribute the source with your modifications, or a link to a publicly available download site that hosts the source, or provide the option to send a copy of the source on media for no more than the cost of the media, along with a copy of the license included in all binaries and source distributed or a link to the COPYING file. If you do not do this within 30 days, then your license to distribute the binaries will be revoked and you will be open to prosecution.
Hi All,
As per communicated with the technical team, I was told that BeeMiner's mining software was developed based on the software PAK provided by our chipset supplier. and we do not own the source code at all and as per communication with the chipset supplier, BeeMiner was not permitted to provide the source code at the current stage. And the Chipset supplier will decide whether to open source or when to do so.
We are trying our best to develop our own at the moment and once we done, we will consider to open the source code for review in later time.
Sorry about the misunderstanding above.
jbcheng
Havent had a reply from jbcheng...
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What's with the constant stupid smilies? and this is your "technical" guy??
Price and delivery date?
I can't see why anyone would pay anything close to $3599 for 1th miner at current diff
Price and delivery date?
I can't see why anyone would pay anything close to $3599 for 1th miner at current diff
There are competitors who have open sourced all their code: Spondoolies-Tech for example.
You have to ask what would be the reason for it not being open source?
If there was a function you were providing with you version of the software what is it and what would be the reason to close the source to it?
I'm happy to escrow a unit to test it but what would the implications be if I bought one and the source code was never released?
What's to say there is code in there that won't trigger at a certain time to start mining on another pool and lock the user out?
You also mentioned in PM that a lot of units have been sold to an Australian Cloud mining company..
I've searched as extensively as I could and I have a few connections around and I couldn't find any information on that?
If you could elaborate on that if possible please and maybe even provide a contact number/website etc so I can ask them about their units.
Thanks,
Only one reason: 90% hashrate is user configurable, 10% is not If there was a function you were providing with you version of the software what is it and what would be the reason to close the source to it?
I'm happy to escrow a unit to test it but what would the implications be if I bought one and the source code was never released?
What's to say there is code in there that won't trigger at a certain time to start mining on another pool and lock the user out?
You also mentioned in PM that a lot of units have been sold to an Australian Cloud mining company..
I've searched as extensively as I could and I have a few connections around and I couldn't find any information on that?
If you could elaborate on that if possible please and maybe even provide a contact number/website etc so I can ask them about their units.
Thanks,
You have to ask what would be the reason for it not being open source?
If there was a function you were providing with you version of the software what is it and what would be the reason to close the source to it?
I'm happy to escrow a unit to test it but what would the implications be if I bought one and the source code was never released?
What's to say there is code in there that won't trigger at a certain time to start mining on another pool and lock the user out?
You also mentioned in PM that a lot of units have been sold to an Australian Cloud mining company..
I've searched as extensively as I could and I have a few connections around and I couldn't find any information on that?
If you could elaborate on that if possible please and maybe even provide a contact number/website etc so I can ask them about their units.
Thanks,
If there was a function you were providing with you version of the software what is it and what would be the reason to close the source to it?
I'm happy to escrow a unit to test it but what would the implications be if I bought one and the source code was never released?
What's to say there is code in there that won't trigger at a certain time to start mining on another pool and lock the user out?
You also mentioned in PM that a lot of units have been sold to an Australian Cloud mining company..
I've searched as extensively as I could and I have a few connections around and I couldn't find any information on that?
If you could elaborate on that if possible please and maybe even provide a contact number/website etc so I can ask them about their units.
Thanks,
Hi jbcheng
So I will remind you as simply as possible as a summary of that document above (also as per the file COPYING included with the cgminer source and binaries).
The license you have agreed to by using cgminer means:
You are free to modify and distribute binaries based on cgminer provided you distribute the source with your modifications, or a link to a publicly available download site that hosts the source, or provide the option to send a copy of the source on media for no more than the cost of the media, along with a copy of the license included in all binaries and source distributed or a link to the COPYING file. If you do not do this within 30 days, then your license to distribute the binaries will be revoked and you will be open to prosecution.
Fortunately, the author of cgminer is a Mod of this forum so he can fully clarifly the licensing.
Two A few questions:
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
1, We use CGminer as mining software and we based on the open sources CG and developed by our own team to suit our hardware. at the current stage, we will not be able to open source. I believe others won't either.
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
As always I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume there is some misunderstanding on your part about the license you have agreed to when choosing cgminer and deciding to develop your driver based on its code, or that you have misunderstood what is being asked of you.- will your driver and/or mining software be open source?
- In the case where GPL code is used, will you respect the license and post your modifications? You know, unlike your competitors (I'm looking at you bitmain and lketc ).
- will you make your circuit schematic docs open source - or at least available as PDF?
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
So I will remind you as simply as possible as a summary of that document above (also as per the file COPYING included with the cgminer source and binaries).
The license you have agreed to by using cgminer means:
You are free to modify and distribute binaries based on cgminer provided you distribute the source with your modifications, or a link to a publicly available download site that hosts the source, or provide the option to send a copy of the source on media for no more than the cost of the media, along with a copy of the license included in all binaries and source distributed or a link to the COPYING file. If you do not do this within 30 days, then your license to distribute the binaries will be revoked and you will be open to prosecution.
Fortunately, the author of cgminer is a Mod of this forum so he can fully clarifly the licensing.
Two A few questions:
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
One more question: how long do you plan to support the product e.g. firmware updates for bug fixes, new miner software versions, and performance improvements?
Hi all,
As I said I just can answer the question regarding the sales and distribution. some of these questions will involve technical and I may not be able to give the perfect answer. While I will answer first and beeminer will make up if I missed some.
1, We use CGminer as mining software and we based on the open sources CG and developed by our own team to suit our hardware. at the current stage, we will not be able to open source. I believe others won't either.
2, I can not answer this question at the moment while our Beeminer.com will have support document in the near future for end users to upgrade the firmware and some technical support.
for all the products we sell out we will provide 90 days repairing and replace warranty. While we will not bear the mining lose during the repair and replacement. we will make sure all the product is working fine before sending out. and when customer received the unit you need do some generally checking especially the wire connection before fire up.
Thanks
Jbcheng
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
and...
- will your driver and/or mining software be open source?
- In the case where GPL code is used, will you respect the license and post your modifications? You know, unlike your competitors (I'm looking at you bitmain and lketc ).
- will you make your circuit schematic docs open source - or at least available as PDF?
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
One more question: how long do you plan to support the product e.g. firmware updates for bug fixes, new miner software versions, and performance improvements?
Hi all,
As I said I just can answer the question regarding the sales and distribution. some of these questions will involve technical and I may not be able to give the perfect answer. While I will answer first and beeminer will make up if I missed some.
1, We use CGminer as mining software and we based on the open sources CG and developed by our own team to suit our hardware. at the current stage, we will not be able to open source. I believe others won't either.
2, I can not answer this question at the moment while our Beeminer.com will have support document in the near future for end users to upgrade the firmware and some technical support.
for all the products we sell out we will provide 90 days repairing and replace warranty. While we will not bear the mining lose during the repair and replacement. we will make sure all the product is working fine before sending out. and when customer received the unit you need do some generally checking especially the wire connection before fire up.
Thanks
Jbcheng
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
Quote
When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.
To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights. Therefore, you have certain responsibilities if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it: responsibilities to respect the freedom of others.
For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.
To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights. Therefore, you have certain responsibilities if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it: responsibilities to respect the freedom of others.
For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.
and...
Quote
Some devices are designed to deny users access to install or run modified versions of the software inside them, although the manufacturer can do so. This is fundamentally incompatible with the aim of protecting users' freedom to change the software. The systematic pattern of such abuse occurs in the area of products for individuals to use, which is precisely where it is most unacceptable. Therefore, we have designed this version of the GPL to prohibit the practice for those products. If such problems arise substantially in other domains, we stand ready to extend this provision to those domains in future versions of the GPL, as needed to protect the freedom of users.
- will your driver and/or mining software be open source?
- In the case where GPL code is used, will you respect the license and post your modifications? You know, unlike your competitors (I'm looking at you bitmain and lketc ).
- will you make your circuit schematic docs open source - or at least available as PDF?
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
One more question: how long do you plan to support the product e.g. firmware updates for bug fixes, new miner software versions, and performance improvements?
Hi all,
As I said I just can answer the question regarding the sales and distribution. some of these questions will involve technical and I may not be able to give the perfect answer. While I will answer first and beeminer will make up if I missed some.
1, We use CGminer as mining software and we based on the open sources CG and developed by our own team to suit our hardware. at the current stage, we will not be able to open source. I believe others won't either.
2, I can not answer this question at the moment while our Beeminer.com will have support document in the near future for end users to upgrade the firmware and some technical support.
for all the products we sell out we will provide 90 days repairing and replace warranty. While we will not bear the mining lose during the repair and replacement. we will make sure all the product is working fine before sending out. and when customer received the unit you need do some generally checking especially the wire connection before fire up.
Thanks
Jbcheng
As per the GPL license you must supply source code and all modifications. This is mandatory.
Here are some relevant snippets from https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html:
Quote
When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.
To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights. Therefore, you have certain responsibilities if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it: responsibilities to respect the freedom of others.
For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.
To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights. Therefore, you have certain responsibilities if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it: responsibilities to respect the freedom of others.
For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.
and...
Quote
Some devices are designed to deny users access to install or run modified versions of the software inside them, although the manufacturer can do so. This is fundamentally incompatible with the aim of protecting users' freedom to change the software. The systematic pattern of such abuse occurs in the area of products for individuals to use, which is precisely where it is most unacceptable. Therefore, we have designed this version of the GPL to prohibit the practice for those products. If such problems arise substantially in other domains, we stand ready to extend this provision to those domains in future versions of the GPL, as needed to protect the freedom of users.
interested
- will your driver and/or mining software be open source?
- In the case where GPL code is used, will you respect the license and post your modifications? You know, unlike your competitors (I'm looking at you bitmain and lketc ).
- will you make your circuit schematic docs open source - or at least available as PDF?
If the answer to the above questions is 'no' how exactly do you expect customers to maintain/repair your products?
One more question: how long do you plan to support the product e.g. firmware updates for bug fixes, new miner software versions, and performance improvements?
Hi all,
As I said I just can answer the question regarding the sales and distribution. some of these questions will involve technical and I may not be able to give the perfect answer. While I will answer first and beeminer will make up if I missed some.
1, We use CGminer as mining software and we based on the open sources CG and developed by our own team to suit our hardware. at the current stage, we will not be able to open source. I believe others won't either.
2, I can not answer this question at the moment while our Beeminer.com will have support document in the near future for end users to upgrade the firmware and some technical support.
for all the products we sell out we will provide 90 days repairing and replace warranty. While we will not bear the mining lose during the repair and replacement. we will make sure all the product is working fine before sending out. and when customer received the unit you need do some generally checking especially the wire connection before fire up.
Thanks
Jbcheng
The only way to get information past pointless smileys is to contact him. Since hes unable to tell you, I will:
Under 15 units, for testing, its the same price as 1 antminer s2. Since i looked up the price on ninjatech.org and it was stated as 7 btc, so ~3200$… jbcheng said it would still cost 3599$…
@jbcheng: could you be so kind and answer my question regarding bigger volume prices? Still waiting for an offer.
Under 15 units, for testing, its the same price as 1 antminer s2. Since i looked up the price on ninjatech.org and it was stated as 7 btc, so ~3200$… jbcheng said it would still cost 3599$…
@jbcheng: could you be so kind and answer my question regarding bigger volume prices? Still waiting for an offer.
Hi All,
Please be ware of out unit total include 5 modules and 40chips inside. generally it can reach up to 1.2 Terra in average. so please do a simple calculation for the price and not just simply compare us with Antminer S2. As I said, the price above is just a testing unit price and price always negotiable upon the volume and delivery date.
I uploaded some picture at the first page and you can see that our miner is pretty stable even in over clocking mode.
And sorry for the late response and I will go through one by one as just come back from a cloud mining customer side
Thanks
Jacob
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