Before you get HEAVILY invested in ETH Mining you should read this - page 4.

frostminer

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Quote from: Westfiled on May 07, 2016, 05:52:31 AM

Quote from: frostminer on May 06, 2016, 05:55:53 AM

Quote from: Stein on May 06, 2016, 05:50:44 AM

Quote from: frostminer on May 06, 2016, 05:41:16 AM

I disconnected everything else and used 1 separate PSU .. so those 154W was only connected to the gpu

(different psu for mainboard and cpu)

You have a 6 380itx rig right now right ? What power supply are you using ? Whats the draw fully loaded with six cards and a hard algo..
Whats hard ? quark or whatever is hardest..lol

You might find this post from earlier today interesting: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14768588

I only use 5 GPU's in my rigs.
I find the mobos cheaper and easily available, and everything generally is simpler with 5gpus. Also less strain.

I use overpowered PSU's .. just to keep the load fairly low for longevity.
So on a 5 x 380 rig i use 1300+650
On the 5 x 390 is use 2 x 1300

(i like using sep psu for mobo, disk, cpu, fans and system)

Can you under volt the 380? The default voltage is usually too high. So you can save some energy and use just one PSU.

No .... not without any form of modding i think.

Thats a good selling point for NVIDIAs btw. They can be undervolted, underclocked, and underwhatered ...
I would love to be able to do that with amds...

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Quote from: frostminer on May 06, 2016, 05:55:53 AM

Quote from: Stein on May 06, 2016, 05:50:44 AM

Quote from: frostminer on May 06, 2016, 05:41:16 AM

I disconnected everything else and used 1 separate PSU .. so those 154W was only connected to the gpu

(different psu for mainboard and cpu)

You have a 6 380itx rig right now right ? What power supply are you using ? Whats the draw fully loaded with six cards and a hard algo..
Whats hard ? quark or whatever is hardest..lol

You might find this post from earlier today interesting: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14768588

I only use 5 GPU's in my rigs.
I find the mobos cheaper and easily available, and everything generally is simpler with 5gpus. Also less strain.

I use overpowered PSU's .. just to keep the load fairly low for longevity.
So on a 5 x 380 rig i use 1300+650
On the 5 x 390 is use 2 x 1300

(i like using sep psu for mobo, disk, cpu, fans and system)

Can you under volt the 380? The default voltage is usually too high. So you can save some energy and use just one PSU.

frostminer

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Quote from: Stein on May 06, 2016, 05:50:44 AM

Quote from: frostminer on May 06, 2016, 05:41:16 AM

I disconnected everything else and used 1 separate PSU .. so those 154W was only connected to the gpu

(different psu for mainboard and cpu)

You have a 6 380itx rig right now right ? What power supply are you using ? Whats the draw fully loaded with six cards and a hard algo..
Whats hard ? quark or whatever is hardest..lol

You might find this post from earlier today interesting: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14768588

I only use 5 GPU's in my rigs.
I find the mobos cheaper and easily available, and everything generally is simpler with 5gpus. Also less strain.

I use overpowered PSU's .. just to keep the load fairly low for longevity.
So on a 5 x 380 rig i use 1300+650
On the 5 x 390 is use 2 x 1300

(i like using sep psu for mobo, disk, cpu, fans and system)

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Quote from: frostminer on May 06, 2016, 05:41:16 AM

I disconnected everything else and used 1 separate PSU .. so those 154W was only connected to the gpu

(different psu for mainboard and cpu)

You have a 6 380itx rig right now right ? What power supply are you using ? Whats the draw fully loaded with six cards and a hard algo..
Whats hard ? quark or whatever is hardest..lol

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Quote from: Amph on May 06, 2016, 05:39:19 AM

Stick with 970, don't worry about how much they cost, you can sell them for 90% of their value, probably even 100%, because some of those come with game that you can play, make them cheaper i payed mine 315 euro

also don't look at ethereum only, ethereum will not last forever, you need a good gpu that can mine well every algo, and anyway new gpu are coming i would avoid buying now for that reason

Hmmm,, but that is the same price as a R9 390

So what would you build if the rules were. You CAN NOT mine eth. Any other algo but no eth. What is the best bang for the buck rig for now ?

I actually am going to wait and see what new cards come out. I'm about 2-3 months from being where the cheap elec is. Industrial prices there are 1 cent a K/wH. That will help with any algo or rig.

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I disconnected everything else and used 1 separate PSU .. so those 154W was only connected to the gpu

(different psu for mainboard and cpu)

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Quote from: frostminer on May 06, 2016, 05:37:50 AM

1 Single Sapphire R9 380 ITX
Draw from wall:
Idle : 9 watt

Dualmining ETH DCR :
Stock settings:
20,434 Mh/s ETH
+ 306,505 Mh/s DCR

Power from wall : 152,4 Watt

Wonder how much is the card and how much is the system.. Do you know how much it normally draws with 6 cards ? I have nothing to compare it to.
The 6 card 380 guys say a 1300 gold or 1200 plat is fine..

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Quote from: Stein on May 06, 2016, 05:32:23 AM

Quote from: frostminer on May 06, 2016, 05:23:58 AM

Gimme a sec and ill do some tests with a single R9 380 itx

I think I know how to get a list.. I use ccminer now cause I have 970 gtxs and it's easy to get a list of what people are getting on different algos in the ccminer thread.
What's the main program for AMD ? cgminer or sgminer or something like that right ? I'll ask in thier forum for a list for a r9 380 and for a r9 390.. Doh! lol

This is why I am confused now

Quote from: plast555 on May 04, 2016, 05:45:28 PM

With 6 x 290/390 you have 100 MH/s in lyrav2, 100 MH/s in Quark, 100 MH/s in Qubit, 70 MH/s in X11 and so...
With 6 x 280/380 you have 24 MH/s in lyrav2, 24 MH/s in Quark, 30 MH/s in Qubit, 24 MH/s in X11 and you are nowhere

....so if I have 290/390 I don't care if one day ETH will stop with mining because I have a lot of other options for earning good profit !! so from my perspective, now when you are investing good money, better give a little bit more and you don't have to care about the future !!! and of course, buy all cards with guaranty, because we are mining 24/7.

That's like a 200% difference

stick with 970, don't worry about how much they cost, you can sell them for 90% of their value, probably even 100%, because some of those come with game that you can play, make them cheaper i payed mine 315 euro

also don't look at ethereum only, ethereum will not last forever, you need a good gpu that can mine well every algo, and anyway new gpu are coming i would avoid buying now for that reason

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1 Single Sapphire R9 380 ITX

Draw from wall:
Idle : 9 watt

Dualmining ETH DCR :
Stock settings:
20,434 Mh/s ETH
+ 306,505 Mh/s DCR

Power from wall : 152,4 Watt

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Quote from: frostminer on May 06, 2016, 05:23:58 AM

Gimme a sec and ill do some tests with a single R9 380 itx

I think I know how to get a list.. I use ccminer now cause I have 970 gtxs and it's easy to get a list of what people are getting on different algos in the ccminer thread.
What's the main program for AMD ? cgminer or sgminer or something like that right ? I'll ask in thier forum for a list for a r9 380 and for a r9 390.. Doh! lol

This is why I am confused now

Quote from: plast555 on May 04, 2016, 05:45:28 PM

With 6 x 290/390 you have 100 MH/s in lyrav2, 100 MH/s in Quark, 100 MH/s in Qubit, 70 MH/s in X11 and so...
With 6 x 280/380 you have 24 MH/s in lyrav2, 24 MH/s in Quark, 30 MH/s in Qubit, 24 MH/s in X11 and you are nowhere

....so if I have 290/390 I don't care if one day ETH will stop with mining because I have a lot of other options for earning good profit !! so from my perspective, now when you are investing good money, better give a little bit more and you don't have to care about the future !!! and of course, buy all cards with guaranty, because we are mining 24/7.

That's like a 200% difference

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Gimme a sec and ill do some tests with a single R9 380 itx

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Quote from: frostminer on May 06, 2016, 04:10:37 AM

My favorite GPU is hands down the sapphire R9 380 ITX.
Now also as 4gb version.

Its small, it uses one 8 pin. It has only 1 fan but cools ok.
If you push it a little, it will do 22mh/s eth.

I went away from the 390s back to the 4gb itx. They are so small and neat to work with too.

And cheap!

Worth looking into.

I've been mulling over what types of rigs to build. 380,380x,390,390x,nano.
It looks like the best bang for the buck FOR ETH is 6 Sapphire, Gigabyte, Asus or Msi 380 with a 1300w Gold or 1200w Plat PSU.
What I didn't take into account was what if eth crashes and/or I want to mine other algos.. What if I want to mine another algo for a new coin ?

Did I pigeonhole myself with getting all AMD r9 380's ?

If my goal is not eth but ALL algo's then whats the best bang for the buck card at the moment ? That's why I was looking for a spreadsheet.
Is user:plast555 right in this post ?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14755765

Also, those 380itxs look excellent. Why did you choose them over a normal Sapphire 380 ? I can't find a 4GB version on Newegg or Amazon either..
Do the ITXs draw more power or less than the standard Sapphire 380 ? Power costs don't matter a whole, whole lot to me. My electric runs about 3.5 cents a K/wH

Thank you for your help

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Quote from: Dum3 on May 06, 2016, 03:09:43 AM

Quote from: Ayers on May 06, 2016, 12:51:50 AM

Quote from: Dum3 on May 06, 2016, 12:41:43 AM

380 will be 20-21 MH/S , 390 with slight overclock can get you 30 so that means 50% more hashpower for 50% more money,380 will have lower power consumtion but the less haspower you have the longer time to get your money back eventually ,either way to start mining now is stupid decision....

there is still profit to be made, if you have free energy, why not? i would start now on ethereum mining, very profitable at the moment and you can always sell your gpu without problem i think

U can think that and jump the wagon but the higher the diff goes the lower the reward,price must rise also to be competitite,if it doesn't at the same rate u are fucked,new generation of video cards incoming with 14nm,much lower power consumption etc ....The only way to be sure of profitability is to:

1. Have basically free power
2. New gen of video cards to have bad hashrates and not quite great for mining
3. Enough idiots on the market to keep investing in older gen video cards so that you can sell your cards to an idiot bigger than you
4. POW will end in an year os something,you won't get your money back soon and possible never lol....

Overall,who mined from december-january and sold when time was right,or who invested and buyed when lower price and sold when time was right,or speculants who trade even for 0.20$ margin daily,these people make money from it.

you only need the first point, other does not matter, gpu have a very high resale value even after one year, so i don't know what you are talking about with the other points

970 for example can be sold easily even after the new card, for those that don't need the last gen to keep playing video game

nvidia 970 can still play any game out there, those aren't idiots, those are gamers...

again if point 1 is true, point 4 does not matter anymore, you can mine something else, and take profit, hell you can mine every shit coin out there with free energy and have your profit...

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Quote from: Stein on May 06, 2016, 05:09:58 AM

Quote from: ldw-com on May 06, 2016, 03:45:22 AM

What do you mean with a dumbed down list?

You can filter there... Just Enter R9 380 and you'll get a list of only those cards.. then you can click on the algo header to sort by algo.

I'm working on getting those filter options better though..

I mean a spreadsheet With a column of algorithms and graphics cards.
I mean "dumbed down" as in I don't care about variations due to overclocking, underclocking etc.. Just a round number.
When I enter R9 380 on your site I get variations of 2 cards, 3 cards, 380, 380x, Fury X, mixed systems.. and only blake256, scrypt chacha, Neoscrypt and Eth.

It works fine but I just want a spreadsheet.. Would be nice to have a spreadsheet for the most popular cards, So you can just look and see what is the most bang for the buck depending on what algos you might run.
Your site is awesome when I am looking to see what hashrate I should be getting or for a config.

The easiest way to use that one is typing "Eth" in the search.. that sorts out the algo, then use your browser search(ctrlf f) to find the card.
Then you'll have to look at the variations and just do a basic average. There are so many factors affecting the speed, from configs, miners, drivers to OC.

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Quote from: ldw-com on May 06, 2016, 03:45:22 AM

What do you mean with a dumbed down list?

You can filter there... Just Enter R9 380 and you'll get a list of only those cards.. then you can click on the algo header to sort by algo.

I'm working on getting those filter options better though..

I mean a spreadsheet With a column of algorithms and graphics cards.
I mean "dumbed down" as in I don't care about variations due to overclocking, underclocking etc.. Just a round number.
When I enter R9 380 on your site I get variations of 2 cards, 3 cards, 380, 380x, Fury X, mixed systems.. and only blake256, scrypt chacha, Neoscrypt and Eth.

It works fine but I just want a spreadsheet.. Would be nice to have a spreadsheet for the most popular cards, So you can just look and see what is the most bang for the buck depending on what algos you might run.
Your site is awesome when I am looking to see what hashrate I should be getting or for a config.

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My favorite GPU is hands down the sapphire R9 380 ITX.
Now also as 4gb version.

Its small, it uses one 8 pin. It has only 1 fan but cools ok.
If you push it a little, it will do 22mh/s eth.

I went away from the 390s back to the 4gb itx. They are so small and neat to work with too.

And cheap!

Worth looking into.

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Quote from: Stein on May 05, 2016, 03:51:18 PM

Does anyone have a list or spreadsheet with the "general" hashrates of 380 and 390 cards on algos other than ethash?
I am about to build a few rigs and I knew the differences in hashrates for eth but had no idea that the difference was so huge on other algos ?
Just looking for some solid numbers to compare with the ones that plast55 just posted.
I know http://www.mininghwcomparison.com has alot of info, but I am looking for a dumbed down list, if there is one out there.

I am looking to build exactly one of the two rigs he talked about. Either 6x380 or 6 x 380
It's looking like a 380 will run "ROUGHLY" $1,757.87 on newegg + case and risers
and a 390 will run "ROUGHLY" $2,627.86 + case and risers

I ran the numbers for eth every which way I could and the 380 was definitely more bang for the buck with ETH.

What do you mean with a dumbed down list?

You can filter there... Just Enter R9 380 and you'll get a list of only those cards.. then you can click on the algo header to sort by algo.

I'm working on getting those filter options better though..

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Quote from: Ayers on May 06, 2016, 12:51:50 AM

Quote from: Dum3 on May 06, 2016, 12:41:43 AM

380 will be 20-21 MH/S , 390 with slight overclock can get you 30 so that means 50% more hashpower for 50% more money,380 will have lower power consumtion but the less haspower you have the longer time to get your money back eventually ,either way to start mining now is stupid decision....

there is still profit to be made, if you have free energy, why not? i would start now on ethereum mining, very profitable at the moment and you can always sell your gpu without problem i think

U can think that and jump the wagon but the higher the diff goes the lower the reward,price must rise also to be competitite,if it doesn't at the same rate u are fucked,new generation of video cards incoming with 14nm,much lower power consumption etc ....The only way to be sure of profitability is to:

1. Have basically free power
2. New gen of video cards to have bad hashrates and not quite great for mining
3. Enough idiots on the market to keep investing in older gen video cards so that you can sell your cards to an idiot bigger than you
4. POW will end in an year os something,you won't get your money back soon and possible never lol....

Overall,who mined from december-january and sold when time was right,or who invested and buyed when lower price and sold when time was right,or speculants who trade even for 0.20$ margin daily,these people make money from it.

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Quote from: Dum3 on May 06, 2016, 12:41:43 AM

380 will be 20-21 MH/S , 390 with slight overclock can get you 30 so that means 50% more hashpower for 50% more money,380 will have lower power consumtion but the less haspower you have the longer time to get your money back eventually ,either way to start mining now is stupid decision....

there is still profit to be made, if you have free energy, why not? i would start now on ethereum mining, very profitable at the moment and you can always sell your gpu without problem i think

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380 will be 20-21 MH/S , 390 with slight overclock can get you 30 so that means 50% more hashpower for 50% more money,380 will have lower power consumtion but the less haspower you have the longer time to get your money back eventually ,either way to start mining now is stupid decision....

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