Topic: Beginners Mistake (Read 505 times)

Oops, I don't know what to feel reading this one, felt cringy that it sounded like OP is trying to gain our sympathy but like someone already said, he again committed a mistake to deserve a ban once again. Just like you said we are all human and we commit mistakes, and as a human, we should accept our mistake and at the same time accept the punishment of that mistake. But what you did is commit another mistake just to explain yourselves and try to gain sympathy with it. It sounded like you are condemning the moderators with the actions they did to you, forgetting that you are the one who committed the mistake in the first place.

I think the best thing you can do is accept that you did it wrong, learn from it, accept the punishment of your actions, then do better next time, not only in this forum but in the real world. Learning the hard way. At least you've learned that plagiarism is never okay in any platform in the world.

You are trying to make the readers emotional but if mods start behaving on emotions and not on logic, the forum will be affected badly. Rules are rules.

There are some mistakes in which you never get a second chance and your account is permanently banned. Plagiarism is one of those big mistake which should be avoided at all cost. All forms of Plagiarism is prohibited including not mentioning the author name or using any text spinning service.

Hey dude, you should have learnt from your first mistake, in every forum, there are guidelines that shapes users and and that's the first thing you would have asked for, a newly registrants came in as a naked human, we are human and can only survive by asking questions which guides you.
Another important thing I'm going to tell you is practice the patter of reading before posting, it would have been better o fake at least a month to read through all the boards before you start posting, just be in yourself, air out your opinion your own, no body is going laugh you to scorn, its better now that you known the important ban factor. Be smart in this your new account.

Was about airing my views on similar worries after reading most replies on the post before seeing your post. It seems the respondent were more concerned about getting rewarded for giving out one of the best advice without evening noticing the second offend the OP is commiting that's very clear from his statement above.

I believe banned accounts gets a direction in what to do in having a chance of appealing their banned but instead of the OP to follow the rules again, he/she creates another account and proceed to breaking another forum rules. Who knows how many of these accounts he/she has on the forum. Just saw he was active yesterday (2nd October) which means the account is still active but hopefully that won't be for long as I have just brought the attention of the moderator the this thread.

The behavior of the OP doesn't show any remorse for what he/she has done and don't think he/she will be of any use to the forum as the typical thing that should have been done was to go read the rules of the forum and try avoiding breaking other rules (like ban evasion) then proceed to appealing as the ban emails highlights.

Several days have passed since the publication of the OP on the 29th. And as I can see, this account is still not listed as a banned account. Really none of the above respondents informed the moderators about the evasion of the ban?

Instead of understanding the reason for his first ban (or maybe not the first one), a person creates a second account and continues to post on the forum. After only a while, he gives advice on how to properly handle Newbies.

It seems ridiculous to me. Probably the rules exist for everyone. If someone is lazy to respect the community and read a few points, then why does the community treat them as weak? What can such a person achieve if initially they are led by the handle? Maybe give him time to grow up offline?

Very well said, when you're trying to enter a forum, the first thing that you should do is to feed your knowledge about the rules and regulations in the said forum.

If you will keep yourself ignorant about that, then you're most likely to commit mistakes and violate the rules without you knowing that the forum has it. Getting banned is a worse punishment here in this forum, always practice constructing your thoughts in your mind and put it into words, that's not hard to do especially if you are aware about plagiarism.

According to our rules.

We are prohibited
Plagiarism - this is a serious part because even in the reality we need to give a credit to the original author if you want to avoid this kind of action it's better to quote the author and drop the reference link it's not hard right? It's better than copy-pasting all of the contents.
Ban evasion - the previous member must be prevented to create another account if the main account is already banned. Instead, you can appeal and visit our meta to check it out.

Learning with the forum takes a lot of time allotment but this is useless if you got banned. There are a lot of things you will realize on our forum just take it easy and enjoy learning.

Wow that was a nice catch there  
But all the same copying a text from an author without inserting link to his work is direct plagiarism with is punishable with a temporary or permanent ban if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah I agree with you on that note, but coming to think of it that's is why our superiors have made those topics to help correct the misguided newcomers like ourselves.
You can check the topics at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-sticky-threads-newbies-read-before-starting-5279088 and I strongly wish other newbies should learn from this thread

You should take your time here to learn and ensure everything as you wanted. Newbie are usually careless and do not care what will happen next as they learn towards the process (half bake) which is more dangerous than no learning at all.

Just take an example of the story of a janitor who wishes to fly an airplane.

Janitor clean inside the airplane and see a manual on how to fly an airplane.
Janitor open it and on the first page it say that to fly the airplane press the green button to turn the wheels of the airplane.
The janitor press the green button and happy to see that the airplane start running on its own.
Next step to fly the airplane press the yellow button.
Then the janitor press the yellow button and the airplane flies.
The janitor was happy with the airplane flying in the sky then decided to make a landing for the airplane.
The janitor open the next page and it said for the next tutorial on how to land the airplane please buy the 2nd manual on how to landing the airplane.

Half bake learning is more dangerous than no learning and this is why if you are new in the forum must consider to learn first and resolve confusions before making an attempt to proceed into application.

Trading is a something need to observed the market and take a personal analysis before starting trading.

In the first place, you should know already the rules of the forum, ignorance is not an excuse.

Something like plagiarism could easily be identified if he underlined the lines that you plagiarise, and you could probably make a complaint if it is not plagiarised.

A lot of times newbies are not really newbies but just alt account here in the forum so plagiarism is just a big rule that the forum should be strict. If you really do plagiarise then it's your fault that you get banned in the forum.

I think one of the most common beginners' mistakes is the chase of easy money, people must understand the money doesn't grow in trees. That's why tons of scams still working with simple schemes like, 'I will double your money' or 'Make a depo and you will be able to withdraw your $50,000'.

Users need to understand bitcoin is money, to make bitcoin they have to work because no one will be out there just giving away their money.

That is while I keep  on emphasising  observation  and correction, I wants to take these in two dimensions
A) observation: as newbie or beginner we have to study  the environment we find ourself very well before associating, because  if fails to observe  or study the system  we shall keep on making  mistakes.
The first thing we have to do after registry account with bitcointalk community is to look for the protocol of the forum to avoid plagiarism, because  the protocol educates  the vital rules everyone abide.

B) Correction: corrections or to educate  someone  is not all about  reporting someone post which we know that the person is a baby to the community, we have two ways to correct someone from my views, (a)  if we notice errors from someones post we can correct by giving the person a personal message  which is (pm) I believe the person can never  forget  it through out the existence  of the forum.
b) quote: if you  quote someone and express your feelings   automatically the person will surely understand your text and pickup corrections.

Just to clarify, an account that is nuked is also permanently banned. The difference is that, in case an account is nuked, it additionally gets all its posts deleted, effectively returning the account to Brand New.

Accounts can only be nuked in certain conditions:

I believe the above is the criteria for an account to be eligible for Nuking (even though the quote states the term "ban" and not "nuke").

Nuking is not mandatory if the conditions are met: if an account is eligible, it may not be nuked for example, let’s say, if it is related to some type of scam or is spreading malware. The idea is not to delete the evidence if it is worth keeping as a reference.

For further details, see: Division of Powers.

This is some example

The first guy is newbie account and only got nuked.
The second guy also a newbie account, but he got banned instead of nuked. Because the post is high potential containing malware Archived post
And the last guy only got nuked.

Well, this is just my comprehension as I read on this thread Report plagiarism (copy/pasting) here. Calling for Mod action: please permban
Since I'm not a mod, so I don't really know the terms and provisions of getting nuked or banned due to plagiarism.

The irony of your sentence is commendable, you said that you want others to learn something about your mistakes thus you create this post, but as you create this post, you expose yourself to another offense which is the Ban Evasion. The way you educate others is no means of education. You must be one of the example you are talking to before taking it to somebody else. and since you mention newbie and beginners, I think that plagiarism is the most common rule when it comes to forums, blogs, journals and any other forms of literature. Any other rules are always pinned in every section of the forum. ergo you don't have anything in your disposal to prove you not to be guilty.

But I do acknowledge your dedication to improve your ways to learn about cryptocurrency in any little way you can.

There is no where in the world were the rules are going to be bent to suit ignorance, especially when the materials to cure  ignorance is at your disposal. This is why we have a sticky or pinned thread always at the top of every board, to serve as a therapy for ignorance and first education. Or perhaps the pinned post isn't 'click bait' enough then, it could be looked into.
The admin is not a bot and so, we together not excluding even you have to do our best not to mess up the community. If the rules are bent for as much as one person, then the compromise begins and is sure to continue and our once stable community will be shaken.
This is some of the unique qualities of the forum, fairness. It judges every user with the same rules and principles.

Again, the forum does not support creating alts as you have done . This could be considered a ban evasion and with the way your going about treating your issue, you might be liable for yet another ban. If a material is used in course of a publication, you've just got to reference it in your source. It's that simple.

Is it real?

Plagiarism, even one time, when is detected will result in permanent ban ^{[1] [2]}. I am not sure that if you are newbie or low rank members you will be free from permanent ban if you make your first plagiarism.

What I know is different and I guess it is what you recalled inaccurately.

• After get permanent ban because of plagiarism, people are allowed to make ban appeal
• The prob of ban appeal to be accepted will depend on
  
  • Net effects: how that user contributes on the forum before that ban.
  • How many times that user make plagiarism (It looks like what you recalled inaccurately)

In reality, when one user break rule of plagiarism, it is usually a plagiarism habit and more than one plagiarism post will be found.


^[1] hilariousandco
^[2] theymos

Well, we have once newborn before now and made some bad decisions which after then made a u-turn for the very best of our activities on the forum. You might have been warned before the ban but couldn't listened for this action, hope your coming back will be a lesson learnt from the past and restructure your mindset now. Is a common thing beginners make mistakes around the forum but change from be bad to good is the happiness of all.

To be honest mods doesn't always banning an account if they caught you're doing plagiarism. A newbie account usually got nuked/temporary ban instead of banned since mods still gave him one more chance.

But, for some reason mods will banned quickly if the account is bring negative vibes, repeating his fault, too much plagiarism post etc.

Actually its part of educating you since if the person you said didn't report you for sure you will encounter huge consequences of your action and lucky the staff here didn't ban your account so learn from this mistake and educate to know more about things in this forum, Don't use the newbie words since you can actually use the search bar to seek for information you needed here.

It was written in the rules that we should avoid plagiarism and yet you committed it, even though haven't read yet the rules, the sanction will still keep on you, being a beginner isn't an excuse, we are all responsible for reading the rules of every forum that we are going to join. I didn't know if you are familiar with any forums but for every forum that we have in this crypto world, there are always rules that we should obey in order for the forum to be organized. I cant imagine a forum to be successful if there are no rules and moderators that will observe every member.

We are all responsible to know the things we should know in this forum, we can ask other members through creating a topic, it will lead you to the right path.

I know you know that plagiarism is not a good thing and can be considered as a crime but you still did that thing, the violation that you have isn't for beginner because it is thought from ou schools and in our daily lives, so the punishment of being banned is deserved for those persons who commited it.

As stated above, you have virtually confesses to be ban evading, and thus should not be posting here (you may only post in Meta to create a ban appeal).

When I joined the forum, I was not aware of the existence of rules. Hell, I thought you could just post away as you pleased, and it never occurred to me that one was submitted to rules in any way. Likewise, it also did not occur to me to copy and paste content though. Yes, you read, gather information, (sometimes) contrast and cross-reference, but in the end, you pour your mind in your own words, as a seemingly natural approach to communication.

Of course, there are a few rules or situations that are not that intuitive. I was barely a month into my account when I joined an airdrop where I posted one of those classical “proof of join” posts on their thread, along with an ETH address. Somehow, that lead to being proposed, amongst a bunch of other accounts, for being nuked. I was unaware of this fact until sometime later but, had my account been nuked, I certainly would not be here now (nor any alt/morph account).

By the above, I mean that rules are, for the most, not prohibiting anything unreasonable, and normally, one complies with them unknowingly. There is though the factor of earlier exposure, which does have a chance to improve (i.e. a simple welcome message/email that empathises some things). People will still do what they will, but at least they’d be warned from the moment they join the forum (if they read it).

“Ignorance of the law is no excuse”

You committed plagiarism, hence you got banned. You would've known that rule if you actually read the Unofficial Bitcointalk rules, which is frequently mentioned in this forum. It might be quite a harsh rule, but it's a necessary one.

This is a forum, it has rules we should follow, so not to fall out of the forum norms and ways of posting. In short, we have posting etiquettes. Where there are no laws, there are no sins, people can do the way they want, but, this forum is not like that. This forum condone no such mistake, I mean plagiarism and spamming. For new users that spam on this forum, ones it is evident from another source, the person will be banned, and it will be a permanent ban.

For example, even if an organization wants to employe you, they will have to first interview you, before the interview, you would have browsed about the company, knowing more about them, so that you will not failed the interview. This is just like reading the forum rules, and it is not only about reading the rules, it is also about abiding to it. I do not expect people to do what could put them in trouble, while some people still like doing it by disobeying.

There are some mistakes that worth correction, some newbies can even still be adamant to the correction, arguing and even implying ranked members are the ones that are not correct. Even after all such things, ranked members still do correct newbies all the time on this this, especially because of their newbie misconception about bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. So, implying ranked members not correcting newbies, this is wrong, they always do correct newbies very well. But, not to the extent newbies are againsting the rules of the forum which can get them permanent ban. It is all over everywhere, not only this forum, that spamming and plagiarism they do not condone.

Another scenerio, if you are in an examination hall, and you are copying your fellow students, if you are seen by a supervisor, it can also get you in trouble that can result to the person to fail the example or carry the course over.  Do just obey the rules of the forum is a requisite to you not getting banned.

Well, that's the point... You can't be a member of this forum UNTILL you are no longer banned. This means: creating a ban appeal thread and ONLY posting in said thread. No matter how many accounts you have/make, as long as a single one of them is banned, you are 100% restricted to posting in one thread in the meta subforum, and you can only use this thread to discuss your ban.

I know this sounds harsh, I didn't make the rules, but by discussing anything besides your ban, you are violating the rules and you'll probably end up getting this account banned aswel.

There are more Newbies and beginners who will make same mistakes and my sole purpose for these post is to educate them or rather create the awareness to them. That the forum have rules and regulations governing it  that they should always endeavor to read all possible information about the forum and have full understanding before commencing. There are many to learn here and I’m glad to be here to educate myself more about Cryptocurrency and help in my own little way to improve Cryptocurrency. I learnt my lesson the hard way and wish to be help other newbies and beginners not to encounter the same mistake. I hope to be a better member of these forum.

Well, let's start with educating newbies: you were banned due to plagiarism (at least, i suppose you were banned... you never said you were in your post, but the punishment for plagiarism is a permanent ban, so i  can only suppose you got your account banned).

Since you said this happened a couple weeks ago, and this account was created less than a week ago, i can only conclude you created a new account after your first account was banned.

Now, here comes the education: after your initial ban, you *should* have taken the time to read the rules... You were banned, and since you created this post, i can only assume you were unhappy about this, so the least you should have done is read the rules before starting to post again...

Now, since it's clear you didn't read the rules, i'll just quote from the list of rules that can be found in this sticky topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657


The correct sequence would have been
1) you were banned, for whatever reason
2) you wait for your ban to expire, or in case this takes to long (or if you have a permanent ban): you are allowed to create a new account and make one topic in meta to discuss your ban. Posting outside this one topic is considered ban evasion.
3) you either get a pardon from Theymos and he unbans you, or you are no longer allowed to post on bitcointalk. Do realise it's you that is banned, not your account. If you create a new account this is called ban evasion, which will get you banned again (actually, you never have been unbanned to begin with)

I experienced something heart broken here as a newbie couple of weeks ago. Yes I understand the fact these platform/Forum have rules governing it but as humans we are prone to make mistakes and take correction. I wrote a topic here couple of weeks ago and someone I sopose to be a serious member of these forum reported my post for plagiarism, reasons being he/she highlights some line of my sentence and   claimed it’s copy and paste,that action cost me a lost. There are better ways to correct and guide a newbie or beginners without having to condemn their post, We aren’t robot we all humans and we rise by lifting others. Please our senior members and legends should look into these or probably initiate a means to educate newbies and beginners so we don’t fall victim always while trying to create our own post just like other members of the forum.