Topic: Behaviour on the Speculation board: women not welcome? - page 2. (Read 8121 times)

Maybe you are asking the wrong question. Maybe the question we should be asking is "Why are there some women investing in BTC?" As a women myself, I am curious to know if there are any common attributes of us women who are involved in BTC that might make us more likely to be involved compared to other women.

As for feminism, there are various forms of feminism (at least according to what I remember from a feminist philosophies class).

The sample size was "thousands" and "decades". What's wrong with you? You made some decent points earlier, and now this? You are a weird donkey.

See, your mistake is responding to a troll. That'll encourage him.

Plus, if he would be half as good at math as he claims he is he would know that from his anecdotally sized sample ("my mom, my dad") he cannot draw any conclusions. And if he knew the scientific literature, he would know that the iq question is pretty much open atm.

But since he isn't smart or well read, he still lives in his parents' basement. Have some pity please.

More like a pleasant surprise. Met a few over the decades. Met thousands who were not.

You are going to be in for a nasty shock when you meet a genuinely intelligent woman.

Men are better at math, computers, economy etc than women. That is simple reality. Nothing can change that.

I'm earning... ridiculous ROI, as we are all well aware. My old man is investing. My mom is not, and my sister thinks it is a bad joke (as does her banker boyfriend).

Reality is a bitch sometimes, s'all.

Dude, where are you getting any of this from?

In the first paragraph of my first post here I said "you start with a decent point, that this place can be unwelcome to women". So I'm acknowledging that.

She then continues with what I consider a pretty genderist post, and for that I tell her to fuck off.

Got a problem with that? Cause I tell that to anyone who I think acts like a dick. And I shouldn't treat women different in principle from man, agreed?

And re: your last line. What makes you think I'm not a feminist? I do however have little patience for whiny housewives complaining that the boy's club she just joined doesn't fall over backwards to change their culture to accommodate her sensitivities.

P.S. I give some credit to OP for starting this thread, at least. Interesting discussion, and somewhat necessary.

p.p.s. at least equally important discussion though:

WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE SO FEW WOMEN IN BITCOIN? I did a survey here myself a while ago, and some others did so as well before, and the numbers are like 90+% here are guys.

Whose fault is that? Nothing prevents women (in sufficiently rich countries) to join this ride, correct? So I am actually worried that, if this whole BTC thing takes off, in 20 years from now women will be *again* fucked economically if they don't get on board NOW.

Let's discuss THAT.

a) why aren't there more women investing in btc?

b) how can we get more women onboard? and don't just say: "just act nicer to women on this forum". that's not going to happen universally (see my explanation of neckbeards+anonymity above), so we need a different, actually practical solutin IMO.

Who the fuck cares about someone who died the year after I was born. The feminism we have today is completely different. Find a modern example. Just try, if you can.

Love the rant

About time somebody called out the elephant in the room...

Rebecca West didn't hate men - and they didn't hate her, just check out her wikipedia page.  But she did reserve the right, throughout her life, to say what she thought even if it was against the trend.

There are two versions of the quote in different books, and the first just finishes at doormat.  I think the idea with prostitute is that you expect them to say what men want to hear - she's talking about expressing independent opinion after all.  She also said “The main difference between men and women is that men are lunatics and women are idiots.” - so she didn't pull her punches.  Fantastic writer - George Bernard Shaw seems to have thought that she was better at it than him.

No, that is pretty much the feminist MO. They hate men.

Which is also why the OP is finding this place less welcoming than might be possible. Simply dropping the shaming and blaming part of her posts would fix most of it. But that is not going to happen.

Prostitutes can't have good opinions? That statement is kind-of telling in itself.

OTOH, I just went and read about her a little and she seems like she was probably OK. Though I'm sure this quote was somewhat tongue-in-cheek

Fine - beg to differ. I read the OP and found it entirely inoffensive (to me as a man) and substantially true. If bitcoin's devotees want to pretend that they're somehow different they need to behave like they're different, and they don't: the forum is not a welcoming place for women, particularly when they're told to "fuck of" for having the temerity to express an opinion. But then this is hardly new. As Rebecca West said at the beginning of the last century:

“I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat, or a prostitute.”

if you think it's bad is it currently is.. could you imagine wall street sociopaths anonymously behind a computer? it'd be 10x worse.

Really? You want to play the exegesis game? okay, let's get back to complete OP's post...




tl;dr: It's the Internet, you should know how it works by now: the combination of a few real neckbeards, anonymity and teenage immaturity means there will always be some jerk posters. Doesn't mean you can't appeal to people, but accusing the predominantly male userbase of being more or less universally dicks isn't going to help your case.

you can't argue with that, it's not sexist, it's fact
man are simply better at sports, that's the way we evolved, woman stayed in the cave and raise the children and man went out to hunt
we developed our bodies for physical activity more than woman and that's probably why it's so..

The people who are behaving this way are not going to change because you're complaining. This is the internet and you need to develop a thick skin pretty quickly because there are a-holes everywhere and there's only so much can be done. The mods could be doing a better job but that particular forum moves so quickly, it's would be a never-ending battle. Personally, I could do without the NSFW pictures anyway. Not because I find them particularly offensive, just because they're not really appropriate.

As I often say, if you think you could do better, do so. No one is stopping you.

With these things out of the way, I have to say to Nanobrain that whilst your complaints are not unfounded and looking through your posts, I see nothing too out of line, there does seem to be an aspect that you're looking to be offended. In the environment that you're in here, that's only going to have negative effects on yourself and no one else. Better to choose to let it go by.

Oh, porn and prostitution? There's worse jobs. I've heard stories of men down in ditches in sub-zero temperatures trying to seal up a pipe that's spewing raw sewage amongst others. You'll have a hard time convincing me that letting someone point a camera at you while you take your clothes off on an air-conditioned set or a beach in the tropics is a problem.

ftfy - with emphasis, in case you didn't understand the meaning of the full sentence.

I also blame U.S. black "gangsta" rappers and their lyrics for this crap. It's way worse since they started spitting their woman-hating garbage, a decade ago or so.