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Quote from: CIYAM on February 08, 2014, 01:41:54 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 01:35:59 PM

http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1291311/despicable-me-2-banned-mainland

Am getting tired of this.

The film "Despicable Me 2" is *now showing* in Beijing and in most other cities in China - where do you get your (mis-)information from?

I am glad that's a fake news. Thank you! No country would be stupid enough to ban a cartoon.

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 01:35:59 PM

http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1291311/despicable-me-2-banned-mainland

Am getting tired of this.

The film "Despicable Me 2" is *now showing* in Beijing and in most other cities in China - where do you get your (mis-)information from?

Perhaps you could find something more useful to do than just to try and spread FUD about what can and can't be done in China (and perhaps actually *talk to people who live here* rather than quote bullshit western articles)?

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 08, 2014, 01:10:14 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 01:01:47 PM

I. Know.

So - does it make much difference that I can't see some political video without using a VPN when you can't watch some movie without the same?

To me it's the same thing - "censorship" exists in both cases - it is just focused on different things ("copyright" rather than "political ideology" and btw - I could watch a western movie here that is actually quite "political" also - so it isn't as simple as you might think).

First of all not using a VPN saves me $10/month, or way less if you use one of the main sponsor of this website. Not using a VPN lets me say stupid things on anyone and anything online without much consequences for my family or myself, not just "some political movies"**. Mind you I am not a big troll and I always try to have a mindset of leaving stuff on the net I wrote I would not be ashamed of. The tools and services I use let me get anything anywhere I want. I have lighter shoulders knowing 2 million civil servants are not payed to monitor everything written on the net (The US use google's robots for that for sure). If I find a flash drive in the street I would not be worry too much about any backdoor key logger waiting to spring into action as soon as I plug my free little drive.

Sure no political system is perfect. Far from it. I am glad I can abuse my unlimited fast internet connection here in the US now until TPTB decide otherwise.

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http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1291311/despicable-me-2-banned-mainland

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 01:01:47 PM

I. Know.

So - does it make much difference that I can't see some political video without using a VPN when you can't watch some movie without the same?

To me it's the same thing - "censorship" exists in both cases - it is just focused on different things ("copyright" rather than "political ideology" and btw - I could watch a western movie here that is actually quite "political" also - so it isn't as simple as you might think).

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 08, 2014, 12:53:08 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 12:51:11 PM

But not "pirate video" links. Hmm.

Aha - so your "internet freedom" has some restrictions then?

You should be able to find basically every big movie from 2013 and also every major TV series episode as well (in English with Chinese subtitles).

I. Know.

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 12:51:11 PM

But not "pirate video" links. Hmm.

Aha - so your "internet freedom" has some restrictions then?

You should be able to find basically every big movie from 2013 and also every major TV series episode as well (in English with Chinese subtitles).

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 08, 2014, 12:36:35 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 12:31:44 PM

Funny thing: I never keep a list of blocked websites from where I am. No need. Not saying it won't happen in the future though of course.

For sure it isn't nice to not be able to find websites - but would be pretty sure that some of the websites that I can access here without a VPN you could *not* access due to them having "pirate video content" (something the Chinese authorities don't care much about).

So this can go on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCKtdbSCadA

But not "pirate video" links. Hmm.

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 12:31:44 PM

Funny thing: I never keep a list of blocked websites from where I am. No need. Not saying it won't happen in the future though of course.

For sure it isn't nice to not be able to find websites - but would be pretty sure that some of the websites that I can access here without a VPN you could *not* access due to them having "pirate video content" (something the Chinese authorities don't care much about).

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 08, 2014, 12:18:53 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 12:16:40 PM

On that point we are both on the same frequency. Me on my NSA's approved US ISP and you on your favorite VPN behind the Wall... Grin

Interestingly enough they don't actually block bitcointalk.org here (although sometimes btcchina.com is blocked).

Well I am glad you can surf the net without the need of a VPN for bitcointalk.org.
Funny thing: I never keep a list of blocked websites from where I am. No need. Not saying it won't happen in the future though of course.

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 12:16:40 PM

On that point we are both on the same frequency. Me on my NSA's approved US ISP and you on your favorite VPN behind the Wall... Grin

Interestingly enough they don't actually block bitcointalk.org here (although sometimes btcchina.com is blocked).

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 08, 2014, 12:03:29 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 12:00:18 PM

I am. Always ready to learn from the other side of the Great Wall. You told me everything I posted thus far is propaganda and everything you tell us is not. You told me I should read the position of China regarding its views on westerners. I am looking forward to read them.

Please don't try and twist it this way - I am not some "oracle of truth" and you are not some "oracle of lies".

My point is not really to "win an argument" about "who is right or wrong" but simply to ask you to "question information" (as I do myself - I hope you don't think that I believe *anything* much that is reported on CCTV which is the "portal" of propaganda in China).

On that point we are both on the same frequency. Me on my NSA's approved US ISP and you on your favorite VPN behind the Wall... Grin

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 08, 2014, 11:59:01 AM

Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 11:53:34 AM

Exactly. That was my point. It is propaganda from the westerners and propaganda from China. I did no have the chance of being over there. You did. So I should believe you that the link I posted was pure propaganda as the situation in China is no more worse than the favelas in Brazil... Ok.

Indeed - I think the situation in the favelas in Brazil may well be much worse from what I've seen - *but* - I don't know anything more than what I've seen on TV about that situation so I might be completely wrong about that.

We all have "media sunglasses" when it comes to viewing each other (which are not even necessarily "government approved sunglasses" as the media in the west in particular is far more run by private companies).

The only way to "really understand" people and their situations is to "live with them" IMO (although I would not recommend going to countries that might be dangerous to even visit).

By the way - if you want to come over to China for a visit then let me know (I think it is safe enough here for that).

Haha! Thank you! My sister went to China a couple of times. Had a great time. Brought me a USB stick as a souvenir. Never plugged it!!!!!! Grin

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 12:00:18 PM

I am. Always ready to learn from the other side of the Great Wall. You told me everything I posted thus far is propaganda and everything you tell us is not. You told me I should read the position of China regarding its views on westerners. I am looking forward to read them.

Please don't try and twist it this way - I am not some "oracle of truth" and you are not some "oracle of lies".

My point is not really to "win an argument" about "who is right or wrong" but simply to ask you to "question information" (as I do myself - I hope you don't think that I believe *anything* much that is reported on CCTV which is the "portal" of propaganda in China).

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 08, 2014, 11:45:55 AM

Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 11:44:04 AM

"Free will" for them to be packed like rats and ants... Hmmm...

Hmm... so that's your argument now is it?

Guess you aren't actually interested in listening to anything are you?

I am. Always ready to learn from the other side of the Great Wall. You told me everything I posted thus far is propaganda and everything you tell us is not. You told me I should read the position of China regarding its views on westerners. I am looking forward to read them.

Take your time.

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 11:53:34 AM

Exactly. That was my point. It is propaganda from the westerners and propaganda from China. I did no have the chance of being over there. You did. So I should believe you that the link I posted was pure propaganda as the situation in China is no more worse than the favelas in Brazil... Ok.

Indeed - I think the situation in the favelas in Brazil may well be much worse from what I've seen - *but* - I don't know anything more than what I've seen on TV about that situation so I might be completely wrong about that.

We all have "media sunglasses" when it comes to viewing each other (which are not even necessarily "government approved sunglasses" as the media in the west in particular is far more run by private companies).

The only way to "really understand" people and their situations is to "live with them" IMO (although I would not recommend going to countries that might be dangerous to even visit).

By the way - if you want to come over to China for a visit then let me know (I think it is safe enough here for that).

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 08, 2014, 11:43:24 AM

Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 11:39:00 AM

Well... As a brainwashed westerner I could also believe someone who spent 7 years in China could be influenced to a counter pushed propaganda? It is nothing personal, it is just your use of the word "westerners" made me think you don't consider yourself as one anymore (unless you are not and in this case never mind)

I never said that "you" personally were "brainwashed" so I don't see the reason to get "defensive" and then start silly arguments with me about that (especially as to whether or not "I am still a westerner" - this isn't the school yard and we aren't picking teams).

I am not an apologist for the Chinese government - they have plenty of faults - I just ask you to use the same amount of "sense" that you would in analyzing any Chinese report about the US (am assuming you would dismiss any such reports as "propaganda").

Exactly. That was my point. It is propaganda from the westerners and propaganda from China. I did no have the chance of being over there. You did. So I should believe you that the link I posted was pure propaganda as the situation in China is no more worse than the favelas in Brazil... Ok.

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 11:44:04 AM

"Free will" for them to be packed like rats and ants... Hmmm...

Hmm... so that's your argument now is it?

Guess you aren't actually interested in listening to anything are you?

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"Free will" for them to be packed like rats and ants... Hmmm...

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 11:39:00 AM

Well... As a brainwashed westerner I could also believe someone who spent 7 years in China could be influenced to a counter pushed propaganda? It is nothing personal, it is just your use of the word "westerners" made me think you don't consider yourself as one anymore (unless you are not and in this case never mind)

I never said that "you" personally were "brainwashed" so I don't see the reason to get "defensive" and then start silly arguments with me about that (especially as to whether or not "I am still a westerner" - this isn't the school yard and we aren't picking teams).

I am not an apologist for the Chinese government - they have plenty of faults - I just ask you to use the same amount of "sense" that you would in analyzing any Chinese report about the US (am assuming you would dismiss any such reports as "propaganda").

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 08, 2014, 11:23:47 AM

Quote from: Wilikon on February 08, 2014, 11:17:56 AM

I never lived in Beijing. No. I am sure you'll bring a rich amount of personal experiences to this thread if you so desire regarding Vice's video regarding Beijing's Ant and Rat Tribes.

Personally I think that such stories are basically "western propaganda" - and for many westerners this is hard to swallow but please just try to think about the following question:

Is China Communist?

From my experience most "westerners" will immediately answer *yes* to this question but interestingly enough very few Chinese would say the same.

The reality is that "communism" (in accordance with the ideas of Karl Marx) finished after Deng Xiao Ping took over from Mao (i.e. back in the 1970's) but still westerners "believe" that China is "communist" without seemingly then even knowing what that means.

If that isn't being "brainwashed" then what is?

Well... As a brainwashed westerner I could also believe someone who spent 7 years in China could be influenced to a counter pushed propaganda? It is nothing personal, it is just your use of the word "westerners" made me think you don't consider yourself as one anymore (unless you are not and in this case never mind)

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