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Topic: BERLIN IS WASHINGTON’S VASSAL UNTIL 2099? - page 3. (Read 4940 times)

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German "Foxtrot Oscar" to U.S. war criminals?

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German Federal Prosecutor ‘investigating’ US actions on drones base

LONDON - The German Federal Prosecutor is reported to have begun investigating a US base in Germany that is used as a ‘hub’ for drone strikes, days after a Yemeni man testified in a Cologne court about the 2012 strike that killed his relatives.

According to a report in Der Spiegel, the Federal Prosecutor’s Office – Germany’s highest prosecuting authority – has launched a ‘monitoring process’ to ascertain whether activities at Ramstein, a US base in Germany, violate international law. The officials have reportedly requested documents from German authorities, including the Ministry of Defence, relating to the base – which was recently revealed to be a ‘hub’ for the facilitation of drone strikes in Yemen and elsewhere. US drone strikes in countries such as Yemen, where the US has not declared war, have killed hundreds of civilians, and are widely regarded as a violation of international law.

The news comes days after a court in Cologne heard testimony from a Yemeni man who lost his relatives in a strike – the first time any court has heard from drone victims. Faisal bin Ali Jaber lost his brother-in-law Salim, an anti-Al Qaeda preacher, and his nephew Waleed, a police officer, to a 2012 US strike on his village of Khashamir. The German case sees Mr bin Ali Jaber – represented by international human rights organization Reprieve and the European Center for Human Rights (ECCHR) – seeking to challenge Germany’s failure to stop the use of Ramstein for US drone strikes. Although the court last week ruled against Mr bin Ali Jaber, judges agreed with his assertion that it is ‘plausible’ the base is central to the launching of the strikes, and gave him immediate permission to appeal their decision.

Commenting, Kat Craig, Mr bin Ali Jaber’s Reprieve lawyer, said: "The civilian impact of the US’ drone wars in Yemen and elsewhere is well-documented – as is the crucial role played by Ramstein in facilitating these illegal strikes. The prosecutor’s move to investigate the use of German soil in violating international law is a crucial first step in lifting the veil of secrecy over the drone programme. For Faisal – and the scores of other people whose relatives were unlawfully killed in drone strikes – this decision is long overdue. Nothing will bring back their loved ones, but a full and proper investigation into the role of Ramstein will finally shed some light on the role of the German government in the drone programme. Our clients hope that, in doing so, Germany will do the right thing and withdraw support for the US’ drone war, once and for all."

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2015/06/02/german-federal-prosecutor-investigating-us-actions-drones-base
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I (an American) never got to go to Germany when I was in the military.  They had just ceased the REFORGER exercises when I got stationed in the states.  A friend of mine had been stationed there and told me a couple of interesting things though.

One was that the German farmers practically begged the US/Brits to park their tanks in the farmer's field.  This because they got paid for damages.

Another was a funny story.  He and some Brits were sitting on a fence killing time when a German dude came peddling down the road on a bike.  One of the Brits hopped off the fence and stopped the bike cold.  The German guy just said over and over in broken English "No problems, no problems."  The Brit slugged him in the face knocking him to the ground then he took the bike and started ridding it around saying "Aye mates!  Look at me new bike!"

That's a pretty good illustration of being subjugated I always felt.  I don't know if Brits still go around Europe terrorizing people at soccer games or not.  I've not heard of it for some time, but it seems pretty in-line with what my friend told me about how the Brits behaved toward the continental folks.

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If Germany is rally a puppet in the hands of US then why they allowed for North Stream?

Nord Stream was approved by Gerhard Schröder, despite severe opposition from the Americans. If Angela Merkel was the chancellor at that time, she would have never allowed it to happen. Gerhard Schröder was a bit more rebellious, and that was the reason why the CIA funded various organizations against him and his party.
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@OP

germany is a souvereign nation for sure, everything else is just misinformation.


And if You really want to know how wonderfull East Germany was speak to Germans that actually lived there, that where trying to escape to the West.
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And what that supposed to prove economy wise? almost in every democratic country you have a change of political attitudes, yesterday it was Merkel's party, today Die Linke party, tomorrow right sector. But fact is: East side of Germany is behind West side because of bad management in GDR.
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this is only party true.
with the unification of germany all state property of the DDR went to the BRD.
depending on day and type of assesment method the DDR had around 600 billion to 1.100 billion DM worth of state property (alot of private owned industry - it was communism) which have been privatized by an escrow agency of the BRD.
in the end 2,5 million people lost their jobs and the escrow agency created a deficit of around 200 billion DM.

german article from *"Die Zeit":
http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2014-10/treuhandanstalt-privatisierung-ostdeutsche-wirtschaft/seite-2

*another from "Die Süddeutsche Zeitung":
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/ddr-treuhand-anstalt-ausverkauf-der-republik-1.137266

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And if You really want to know how wonderfull East Germany was speak to Germans that actually lived there, that where trying to escape to the West.

I have checked the election results from the East German states. Very few of the people there support Angela Merkel's pro-American Party. On the other hand, the pro-Russian Die Linke usually gets 25% to 30% of the votes there. Now you will be very surprised to learn that the Die Linke is simply a refurbished version of the Sozialistische Einheitspartei Deutschlands (the East German Communist Party).



And what that supposed to prove economy wise? almost in every democratic country you have a change of political attitudes, yesterday it was Merkel's party, today Die Linke party, tomorrow right sector. But fact is: East side of Germany is behind West side because of bad management in GDR.


At any rate; Germany is an occupied country and has been for 70 years. As such it obviously has limited independence and certainly no independent foreign policy to speak of. And of course a military that is for appearances only if that.

If Germany is rally a puppet in the hands of Us then why they allowed for North Stream?
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At any rate; Germany is an occupied country and has been for 70 years. As such it obviously has limited independence and certainly no independent foreign policy to speak of. And of course a military that is for appearances only if that.
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And if You really want to know how wonderfull East Germany was speak to Germans that actually lived there, that where trying to escape to the West.

I have checked the election results from the East German states. Very few of the people there support Angela Merkel's pro-American Party. On the other hand, the pro-Russian Die Linke usually gets 25% to 30% of the votes there. Now you will be very surprised to learn that the Die Linke is simply a refurbished version of the Sozialistische Einheitspartei Deutschlands (the East German Communist Party).

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But jokes aside, lets compare motor companies that are influential and important in today's German economy:
Audi - West
Volkswagen - West
BMW - West
Mercedes - West
Noticed a trend here?

Both the GDR and the FRG had their own strong points. Automobile industry was one of the strong points of the FRG, while healthcare, manufacturing, military, mining, agriculture, and heavy machinery were the specializations of the GDR.

Almost every communist/paranoid government is going for military and heavy machinery but that doesn't proof that it had strong economic.
http://fortune.com/2014/11/09/germany-east-west-economy/
And if You really want to know how wonderfull East Germany was speak to Germans that actually lived there, that where trying to escape to the West.
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But jokes aside, lets compare motor companies that are influential and important in today's German economy:
Audi - West
Volkswagen - West
BMW - West
Mercedes - West
Noticed a trend here?

Both the GDR and the FRG had their own strong points. Automobile industry was one of the strong points of the FRG, while healthcare, manufacturing, military, mining, agriculture, and heavy machinery were the specializations of the GDR.
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The former East Germany (Deutsche Demokratische Republik or DDR) was a powerful, sovereign state with a sizable army and lots of influence over the world. The CIA operations destroyed East Germany, ultimately re-uniting it with West Germany. The DDR lost its sovereignty and influence, when it merged with the FRG to form the unified German vassal state.

Oh wow, You really made my day Cheesy
Surly every one remembers influential politics from East Germany for example... a... and there was this guy... e... and then that other one who made that...

But jokes aside, lets compare motor companies that are influential and important in today's German economy:
Audi - West
Volkswagen - West
BMW - West
Mercedes - West
Noticed a trend here?
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The CIA operations destroyed East Germany

Of course it is all the CIA's fault, not the lack of a consumer economy, overspending on defense nor the Stasi keeping extensive files on most citizens and throwing them in political prison naturally.

We also can't forget all those West Berliners building makeshift balloons to escape INTO East Berlin  Cheesy
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with a sizable army and lots of influence over the world.

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The Nationale Volksarmee (NVA) was the largest military organisation in East Germany. It was formed in 1956 from the Kasernierte Volkspolizei (Barracked People's Police), the military units of the regular police (Volkspolizei), when East Germany joined the Warsaw Pact. From its creation, it was controlled by the Ministry of National Defence (East Germany). It was an all volunteer force until an eighteen-month conscription period was introduced in 1962. It was considered one of the most professional and best prepared military forces in the world.

(c) wikipedia
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The former East Germany (Deutsche Demokratische Republik or DDR) was a powerful, sovereign state with a sizable army and lots of influence over the world. The CIA operations destroyed East Germany, ultimately re-uniting it with West Germany. The DDR lost its sovereignty and influence, when it merged with the FRG to form the unified German vassal state.
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“German Politicians are US Puppets”.
Some politicians in DDR were puppets. Politicians of BND aren't puppets, they're NGO employees. There is a difference, because NGO is owned by some physical person or legal entity while state is owned by the people. As the result, puppet is able to get rid of the external control eventually, while members of NGO staff have no such opportunity. Even in the theory. Wink

So why wasn't the US able to force Germany in joining the coalition in Iraq in 2003 if it is owned by America as a corporation?
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“German Politicians are US Puppets”.
Some politicians in DDR were puppets. Politicians of BND aren't puppets, they're NGO employees. There is a difference, because NGO is owned by some physical person or legal entity while state is owned by the people. As the result, puppet is able to get rid of the external control eventually, while members of NGO staff have no such opportunity. Even in the theory. Wink
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Yeah Balthazar, they can easily translate the German text there at the original link for that post. Which is a great read BTW, especially regarding German lapdog media. Good luck, g
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Kann die „Kanzlerakte“ ignoriert werden? – Ja, sie kann und sie muss!

FEBRUAR 12, 2015

Von Peter Haisenko

„Kanzlerakte“ – was ist das? Kurz gefasst: Einen Knebelvertrag, der deutsche Regierungschefs nach obligatorischer Unterschrift unter die Befehlsgewalt der US-Regierung stellt. In der breiten Öffentlichkeit war und ist davon nie die Rede. Egon Bahr indes hat unzweideutig bestätigt, dass es sie gibt, die Kanzlerakte. Nehmen wir den SPD-Politiker als vertrauenswürdigen Zeugen und gehen davon aus, dass dieses perfide Papier tatsächlich existiert. Ist ein „Vertrag“, der den Bundeskanzler/die Bundeskanzlerin quasi zeitgleich mit dem Amtseid unter amerikanisches Kuratell stellt, nicht sittenwidrig? Und kann ein derartig sittenwidriger „Vertrag“ nicht einfach ignoriert werden?

Die „Transatlantiker“ beherrschen unsere Medien und man muss sich immer wieder wundern, dass auch unsere Regierung Entscheidungen trifft, die nur den Interessen der USA dienen und Deutschland/Europa beschädigen. Sind es nun die Transatlantiker, die unsere Regierung falsch, einseitig – also im Sinn der USA – beraten und so die zuweilen nicht nachvollziehbaren Züge deutscher Politik herstellen? Oder liegt es an der Kanzlerakte, die Frau Merkel zum Handeln gegen deutsche Interessen zwingt? Im Ergebnis macht das keinen Unterschied, moralisch gesehen schon. .....

https://marbec14.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/kann-die-kanzlerakte-ignoriert-werden-ja-sie-kann-und-sie-muss-februar-12-2015/
There is not so much people who are able to understand deutsche sprache.

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With Merkel and other German politicians being BLACKMAILED by the NSA of the United States,
it is no wonder their personal political survival overrides the interests of the German
people and the German economy.

BLACKMAIL. inter alia, is one of the US tools to coerce US allies and foes to submit
to US Global Tyranny.

“German Politicians are US Puppets”. German Journalists are Urged to Bias their Writings in Favor of the US

http://blog.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-1234401-1-1.html
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Kann die „Kanzlerakte“ ignoriert werden? – Ja, sie kann und sie muss!

FEBRUAR 12, 2015

Von Peter Haisenko

„Kanzlerakte“ – was ist das? Kurz gefasst: Einen Knebelvertrag, der deutsche Regierungschefs nach obligatorischer Unterschrift unter die Befehlsgewalt der US-Regierung stellt. In der breiten Öffentlichkeit war und ist davon nie die Rede. Egon Bahr indes hat unzweideutig bestätigt, dass es sie gibt, die Kanzlerakte. Nehmen wir den SPD-Politiker als vertrauenswürdigen Zeugen und gehen davon aus, dass dieses perfide Papier tatsächlich existiert. Ist ein „Vertrag“, der den Bundeskanzler/die Bundeskanzlerin quasi zeitgleich mit dem Amtseid unter amerikanisches Kuratell stellt, nicht sittenwidrig? Und kann ein derartig sittenwidriger „Vertrag“ nicht einfach ignoriert werden?

Die „Transatlantiker“ beherrschen unsere Medien und man muss sich immer wieder wundern, dass auch unsere Regierung Entscheidungen trifft, die nur den Interessen der USA dienen und Deutschland/Europa beschädigen. Sind es nun die Transatlantiker, die unsere Regierung falsch, einseitig – also im Sinn der USA – beraten und so die zuweilen nicht nachvollziehbaren Züge deutscher Politik herstellen? Oder liegt es an der Kanzlerakte, die Frau Merkel zum Handeln gegen deutsche Interessen zwingt? Im Ergebnis macht das keinen Unterschied, moralisch gesehen schon. .....

https://marbec14.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/kann-die-kanzlerakte-ignoriert-werden-ja-sie-kann-und-sie-muss-februar-12-2015/
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