Rip Bernie
You can say what you want about Bernie Madoff but keeping up such a massive ponzi scheme for 20 years takes a lot of guts. I am sure not everybody could have done it. And since he targeted a lot of rich people I don't feel so bad about it. They got blinded by the returns and let their guard down. He most have been a very charismatic guy. All the best to his family.
Topic: Bernard Madoff dies in prison. A 20 year long Ponzi - page 2. (Read 301 times)
Ponzi scheme it seems as a scam in which people seens like activation energy because of profit they happen to make during involving they self into, normally someone that adventure into ponzi scheme are liable to have heart failure because of what's involves, Bernard Madoff deserved to die due to harm it caused to people in the of ponzi scheme investment or activities, this should be lesson to people who are planning to get or derive another method of scamming people, from my perspective ponzi scheme is a scam.
Good Riddance. I remember this as many have fallen for his Ponzi scheme and his name is now synonymous with that term, as he mastermind the biggest ever in history. And yes, he fronted himself very well that's why no one has suspected that he is running fraud.
And then the banks as well colluded with him, just because they are making money as well to Madoff's deposit. And then should be a lessons for majority of us, he is offering high returns, (which we all know is a sign of scams).
And then the banks as well colluded with him, just because they are making money as well to Madoff's deposit. And then should be a lessons for majority of us, he is offering high returns, (which we all know is a sign of scams).
It is amazing how long a Ponzi may last.
Yes, it is extraordinary, especially because of how long the pension or social security systems are lasting in a lot of developed countries, which are based on the same system that Madoff used. With this I am not defending him, but rather criticizing these systems that are a escape forward. The difference is that when the base of the pyramid instead of widening narrows, people like Madoff, the system collapses and they end up being discovered, while the states can squeeze more taxes to their citizens, get into debt printing much more money, etc.. In short, they have more resources.
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Madoff did it,because he seemed trustworthy and he had authority.
He also offered pretty modest returns.Nothing insane,like 50% or 100% ROI or 5% per week "guaranteed profit".Most of the current HYIP scammers are offering such crazy returns on their social media profiles.
I don't know why he did it.He was rich and he could afford a pretty comfortable life,without going this ponzi scam.I guess that greed is the greatest sin.
Madoff basically provided something that was sort of dangerous. He proved that if you do a ponzi, and if your ponzi is not insane too much to actually be wrong, that means you could both get more money, and you could keep paying everyone, all thanks to inflation and dollar losing value. Say you get 1 million dollars this year, next year when all of those people want to get out, you do not get 1 million back, it is a new year, you proved them you work, you just give them 500k, and get more money in return, do not go crazy, do not make 200%+ type of claims, do 20% and it would be seriously realistic.
This is why ponzis are scary these days, they could be as real as it gets, and that is very scary to me. I personally can't say that it will never happen at Madoff levels, it could happen again, and this time we may not even realize it and everyone could get in as well.
This is why ponzis are scary these days, they could be as real as it gets, and that is very scary to me. I personally can't say that it will never happen at Madoff levels, it could happen again, and this time we may not even realize it and everyone could get in as well.
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What Madoff did gone on for almost 2 decades IIRC, and I don't know how he did it but when he was caught it was too late, I would agree that most of the time that Ponzi schemes should be seen a mile away but what Madoff did was a really good one because he was a mogul in the financial sector so anything he says is going to be true in a twisted way.
Madoff did it,because he seemed trustworthy and he had authority.
He also offered pretty modest returns.Nothing insane,like 50% or 100% ROI or 5% per week "guaranteed profit".Most of the current HYIP scammers are offering such crazy returns on their social media profiles.
I don't know why he did it.He was rich and he could afford a pretty comfortable life,without going this ponzi scam.I guess that greed is the greatest sin.
The fact is that Madoff died in prison only because he stole money from some of the well known and powerful people. If he had cheated ordinary people, then in all probability he would have been living in luxury in London or some of the offshore tax havens. Take the case of Vijay Mallya of India. He stole around $1 billion from the Indian banks, but the UK government has refused to extradite him to India. London has become a refuge for financial criminals around the world, with dozens of them from countries sucn as India, Greece and Russia residing there. Too bad for Madoff that he couldn't get the same treatment.
The Ponzi scheme which was carried out by Charles Ponzi landed him jail, this was the first Ponzi scheme in history. That should be so obvious that any Ponzi scheme that is so loud like that in a country that have laws and orders like USA will lead to what happened, which landed Bernard Madoff in jail also. Ponzi scheme should be completely discouraged because the late investors will certainly lose when there is no more investors coming in.
What Madoff did gone on for almost 2 decades IIRC, and I don't know how he did it but when he was caught it was too late, I would agree that most of the time that Ponzi schemes should be seen a mile away but what Madoff did was a really good one because he was a mogul in the financial sector so anything he says is going to be true in a twisted way. 
I honestly hate the way Madoff's lawyer defends him, even though it's his job. As if we should all of a sudden feel sorry for Bernie Madoff because they didn't let him die alongside his family?
Check this: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/28/charles-murphy-investor-burned-by-bernie-madoff-jumps-to-death.html
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He did wrong and paid for it. No doubt that Madoff was smart and intellectual, if only he used his gifts and abilities for the greater good...
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Bernie was by no means perfect. But no man is.
Seriously? No man is?? He ruined people's lives!! Thousands of lives! And not just ruined, but some of them committed suicide and didn't have the pleasure of living till 82 years. Check this: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/28/charles-murphy-investor-burned-by-bernie-madoff-jumps-to-death.html
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Murphy is believed to be the fourth person connected to the Madoff case to commit suicide.
And that's only what we know of.And regarding this
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he was also a father and a husband
As a father and a husband - he should've thought about his family in the first place, because his son, sadly, also took his life. And his family will get accusations and despisal for the rest of their lives, even though it's possible they haven't been implicated in these schemes.He did wrong and paid for it. No doubt that Madoff was smart and intellectual, if only he used his gifts and abilities for the greater good...
I don't know the guy but that's what will happen if those people who are living through ponzi and operates their own won't stop.
Ponzi scheme should be completely discouraged because the late investors will certainly lose when there is no more investors coming in.
Yeah, there should be more focus on it for each country where most citizens don't have enough budget for financially education. That ends up having a lot of people lacks of literacy in financial matters and don't know how to distinguish scams and ponzis.
If enough people believes a lie, it becomes the truth. The same happened with the Ponzi scheme Madoff held. A lot of people had believed in his promise of profit and gains, mostly from the Jewish community as you have mentioned. The same people gathered more people due to altruistic tendencies, or maybe due to the promise of syndicated gains. At the end of the day, let's just be happy that it's finally over, and that until his dying breath he never saw the light of the day on the other side of his prison cell.
Yeah, Madoff fucked over a lot of rich people over a very long period of time--but if you've read a little bit into the history of the scam, there was one guy who kept questioning how Madoff was making such steady returns in both bull and bear markets. He even reported his concerns to the authorities, who did absolutely nothing.
It sucks when anyone gets scammed, but I'd have much more sympathy for the victims if they weren't so rich to begin with (but I'm not saying they deserved it, because they didn't). It does amaze me how brazen Madoff was to just flat-out lie to his clients for so long.
I didn't realize he was so old, but I guess time flies and I'd kind of forgotten all about him since he's been in prison. Too bad, so sad about the judge not letting him out on compassionate grounds. He didn't deserve that IMO.
It sucks when anyone gets scammed, but I'd have much more sympathy for the victims if they weren't so rich to begin with (but I'm not saying they deserved it, because they didn't). It does amaze me how brazen Madoff was to just flat-out lie to his clients for so long.
I didn't realize he was so old, but I guess time flies and I'd kind of forgotten all about him since he's been in prison. Too bad, so sad about the judge not letting him out on compassionate grounds. He didn't deserve that IMO.
The Ponzi scheme which was carried out by Charles Ponzi landed him jail, this was the first Ponzi scheme in history. That should be so obvious that any Ponzi scheme that is so loud like that in a country that have laws and orders like USA will lead to what happened, which landed Bernard Madoff in jail also. Ponzi scheme should be completely discouraged because the late investors will certainly lose when there is no more investors coming in.
80 years old, kidney failure, the judge did not allow him to go home to die there.
Madoff run what is considered one of the longer lasting Ponzi schemes. It lasted decades and it took with it the saving of many notable citizens, particularly those of the Jew community with whom he had close links. For example the Nobel price laureate Elie Wiesel, whose charity managed to lose in excess of 15M. And all these institutions...
It is amazing how long a Ponzi may last.
Madoff run what is considered one of the longer lasting Ponzi schemes. It lasted decades and it took with it the saving of many notable citizens, particularly those of the Jew community with whom he had close links. For example the Nobel price laureate Elie Wiesel, whose charity managed to lose in excess of 15M. And all these institutions...
It is amazing how long a Ponzi may last.
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Exceptional returns
Mr Madoff,the son of European immigrants who grew up in New York,set up his eponymous firm Bernard L Madoff Investment Securities in 1960.
The company became one of the largest market-makers - matching buyers and sellers of stocks - and Mr Madoff served as chairman of the Nasdaq stock exchange.
The firm was investigated eight times by the US Securities and Exchange Commission because it made exceptional returns.
But it was the global recession which effectively prompted Mr Madoff's demise as investors, hit by the downturn, tried to withdraw about $7bn from his funds and he could not find the money to cover it.
Mr Madoff,the son of European immigrants who grew up in New York,set up his eponymous firm Bernard L Madoff Investment Securities in 1960.
The company became one of the largest market-makers - matching buyers and sellers of stocks - and Mr Madoff served as chairman of the Nasdaq stock exchange.
The firm was investigated eight times by the US Securities and Exchange Commission because it made exceptional returns.
But it was the global recession which effectively prompted Mr Madoff's demise as investors, hit by the downturn, tried to withdraw about $7bn from his funds and he could not find the money to cover it.
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