Best amd driver and sdk + miner combo for windows 7 with 5970's?

Yuvea

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on March 14, 2012, 06:45:30 PM

Why not run it lower if nothing else to reduce heat and simplify cooling.

BTW I got 24 5970s. 60W a piece = 1.4KW.

If my electricity was free I would still do it because that is 1.4KW less heat.

BTW phatk2 can run much lower than 300Mhz. I just noticed you said latest sdk. SDK 2.6 sucks for 5000 series cards and low memclock.

I live in a cold place, heating won't be an issue until mid-june at the earliest. If anything, I "save" on the heating bill Wink

Also, I tend to run driver combos that let me game on this machine. My primary miner is a 4x6970 machine (running 3x now because apparently the motherboard likes to burn up at the pcie power plug...2 cables up in smoke so far)

Although I must admit 12.3 are shit for BF2, I get crashes about every hour on average while 11.11 were perfect (up until a week ago, when it started flickering like crazy...sigh)

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Gerald Davis

Why not run it lower if nothing else to reduce heat and simplify cooling.

BTW I got 24 5970s. 60W a piece = 1.4KW.

If my electricity was free I would still do it because that is 1.4KW less heat.

BTW phatk2 can run much lower than 300Mhz. I just noticed you said latest sdk. SDK 2.6 sucks for 5000 series cards and low memclock.

Yuvea

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i'm running 12.3 with latest sdk and I oc at 950/1200 (bios mod) for gaming (watercooled, never above 37c) and if I downclock the memory to 300, I save around 50-60watts (which I honestly can't say I care about since I got a fixed rent which includes electricity). at 1200mhz memory, I get between 770-820 mh/s on the pool management software, while I don't know how much lower I'd get at 300mhz memory. That's on CGMiner 2.3.1-2 and phatk.

minero1

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Quote from: cuz0882 on February 25, 2012, 06:10:22 PM

Everyone with high power costs hates overlocking. Personally every hash I can squeeze out of the cards just means more profits for me.
11.11 driver works well, if 11.12 you need to delete the following files after uninstalling 11.12 to downgrade.
C:\Windows\System32\amdocl64.dll
C:\Windows\System32\amdoclcl64.dll
C:\Windows\System32\OpenCL.dll
C:\Windows\SysWOW64\amdocl.dll
C:\Windows\SysWOW64\amdoclcl.dll
C:\Windows\SysWOW64\OpenCL.dll

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someone703

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What's worked for me (in Windows):

1. Install desired version of Catalyst.
2. Go into Uninstall Manager, do a custom uninstall of Catalyst and tell it to remove only the SDK.
3. Download the SDK (2.1?) archive. Open it with something like WinRAR and find the 2.1 Dev .msi file and run that.

And you should be good to go.

minero1

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can anyone tell me the best way to downgrade the sdk? i installed 12.1 first, uninstalled it, installed 11.9, deleted the .bin files in the cgminer folder but it still says i have sdk 2.6 installed

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Quote from: blandead on February 27, 2012, 09:55:59 PM

Quote from: -ck on February 27, 2012, 05:04:14 AM

That is absolutely not true. Both Diablo and I have spent an awful lot of time optimising for this SDK and still are doing so.

I did not mean to offend you or diablo, as you say you guys are actually still optimizing with new SDK which is awesome. I just see a lot of people sticking with older SDK because they assume it's slower

Nobody is assuming anything. IT IS SLOWER at lower memclock. The people who have developed on it will even tell you the same thing.

blandead

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Quote from: -ck on February 27, 2012, 05:04:14 AM

That is absolutely not true. Both Diablo and I have spent an awful lot of time optimising for this SDK and still are doing so.

I did not mean to offend you or diablo, as you say you guys are actually still optimizing with new SDK which is awesome. I just see a lot of people sticking with older SDK because they assume it's slower

jjshabadoo

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will afterburner handle all of your card? do you have to set different profiles for each card?

I want to run 2 5970's and 2 5870's under water eventually, but want to get it running on air first of course. I'm using windows 7 pro 32bit. I can upgrade to 64bit but it doesn't seem to matter unless you want 8 gpus, so screw it. I have free copies from work of 32 bit.

So do i set four profiles somehow? Or do you guys recommend different software for something like this ? Or should I do 3 5970's and then hut a machine with 4 5870's together?

-ck

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Quote from: blandead on February 27, 2012, 12:25:35 AM

There are so many optimizations possible with the new sdk it sucks everyone is staying away from it

That is absolutely not true. Both Diablo and I have spent an awful lot of time optimising for this SDK and still are doing so.

blandead

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lmao the readings are correct, I can show you a picture. how else would I be getting 455 Mhash/s if it was stock and how would my temperature still be 75 celcius? I have checked gpu-z before as well, but mainly to look at the other readings.

It's all thanks to msi afterburner, I can disable powerplay and clock ram as low as I want, as long as its 2.2.0 beta 10 or below. They messed something up with newer versions.

The Mhash/s isn't even that important I watch it for 5 minutes every now and then to make sure it's putting out at least 7 shares/min. It ranges from 5-14 depending on how the pool's LP is performing.

There are so many optimizations possible with the new sdk it sucks everyone is staying away from it, I'm testing a really nice one I found that might be able to give a 10% boost overall, but I haven't had anyone else test it yet so I don't know.

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Quote from: blandead on February 26, 2012, 08:07:25 PM

Okay so explain how my 6970 cayman card is running at 1015mhz core and 200 mhz memory with sdk 2.6? phatk v2 w128 gives me ~455 Mhash/s

My crystal ball is telling me your ram is at 865MHz! Shocked

Is it true? Shocked

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Quote from: blandead on February 26, 2012, 08:07:25 PM

Okay so explain how my 6970 cayman card is running at 1015mhz core and 200 mhz memory with sdk 2.6? phatk v2 w128 gives me ~455 Mhash/s

Because likely your ram is still at stock.

Did you verify w/ cgminer of GPU-Z (sensor tab) that memory is actually changed?

blandead

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Okay so explain how my 6970 cayman card is running at 1015mhz core and 200 mhz memory with sdk 2.6? phatk v2 w128 gives me ~455 Mhash/s

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I'm using 12.1 drivers with the runtime from 11.11 drivers (SDK 2.5.793.1), which is the latest 2.5 sdk. On a 5850 with phatk V2 W256 (970 core/150 mem), yields ~400MH/s.

Quote from: blandead on February 25, 2012, 04:10:32 PM

Also, how do the driver not matter? It includes an updated runtime

... which will only be installed in case you select it.

Quote from: blandead on February 26, 2012, 07:35:38 PM

No your just missing the point I was being sarcastic 5 posts ago. It's called a rhetorical question. The point being there is nothing wrong with sdk 2.6

SDK 2.6 is useless for anything else than GCN (series 7xxx) atm, since you are required to mine at stock ram clocks, while SDK<=2.5 means you can massively underclock ram and highly overclock the core.

blandead

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No your just missing the point I was being sarcastic 5 posts ago. It's called a rhetorical question. The point being there is nothing wrong with sdk 2.6

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Quote from: blandead on February 26, 2012, 07:28:36 PM

Okay so as you said before "driver doesn't matter" because it's "not the same" even if there are newer runtimes bundled they don't matter. It's apparently unthinkable someone can install whatever part is bundled with it. That was very helpful advice.

You do realize the 2.6 sdk doesn't have latest runtime right? Nevermind drivers don't matter

Your finally getting it. It only took you 5 posts (and you really didn't get it just decided to be sarcastic) but I give you a C for effort.

runtime =/= driver.

I can install 11.1 driver and SDK 2.1 and then upgrade the DRIVER (not the runtime) to 11.12 or 12.1 without any change in performance. On the other hand is I leave the driver 11.1 and upgrade the runtime to latest 2.6 runtime my performance will go down. Driver changed = no change in performance. Runtime changed (without change in driver) = change in performance.

Of course people like you pretending driver = runtime is why we have so many questions on the miner support threads about "why did my performance go down."

runtime =/= driver.
Yes changing runtime can change performance. Nobody said otherwise.

runtime =/= driver.
You can run any runtime with any driver.

runtime =/= driver.
Changing driver doesn't change performance.

The fact that they are bundled together doesn't change those facts.

blandead

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Okay so as you said before "driver doesn't matter" because it's "not the same" even if there are newer runtimes bundled they don't matter. It's apparently unthinkable someone can install whatever part is bundled with it. That was very helpful advice.

You do realize the 2.6 sdk doesn't have latest runtime right? Nevermind drivers don't matter

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Quote from: blandead on February 26, 2012, 06:59:30 PM

Runtime is included with driver... why are you trying to argue they're not the same when I never said that. All I was pointing out is the runtime can affect efficiency. Is it not already obvious it's not the same lol

I had already pointed out that runtime/SDK affects efficiency but the driver doesn't and then you posted

Quote from: blandead on February 25, 2012, 04:10:32 PM

Also, how do the driver not matter?

So going back full circle .. simple because the driver isn't the runtime and despite them being bundled together in the same package (and no the driver doesn't include the runtime AMD includes BOTH which are seperate installers in the same download) doesn't make the driver magically affect efficiency.

blandead

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on February 26, 2012, 06:47:41 PM

Quote from: blandead on February 26, 2012, 06:23:48 PM

I was being rhetorical... thanks. Runtime can expose new features of sdk so it can affect efficiency

Which once again ISN'T THE DRIVER. Driver =/= runtime. So yes runtime/SDK can affect performance. Nobody has said otherwise. The driver though isn't the runtime.

Runtime is included with driver... why are you trying to argue they're not the same when I never said that. All I was pointing out is the runtime can affect efficiency. Is it not already obvious it's not the same lol

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