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Quote from: Blitzboy on November 15, 2023, 10:07:34 AM

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What if we gamified self-control itself? Imagine an app that tracks your gambling habits, nudges you when you're nearing your set limits, and rewards you for sticking to your budget. It's about turning the tables on gambling - using the same principles of reward and engagement but for promoting responsible behavior.

And there's more to this idea. What about incorporating a social aspect? A platform where you and your friends set challenges for responsible gambling, support each other, and celebrate adherence to limits. This way, gambling becomes not just about the game, but also about the satisfaction of self-control. It's about changing the narrative from "how much can I win?" to "how well can I manage my gambling?". By doing so, we're not just enjoying the game, but also mastering the art of self-discipline.

I have never come across an application that can track my gambling habits, but if I knew about it, I wouldn't want to use it, and I also wouldn't need any rewards because I'm afraid it could make me arrogant and feel like I'm already great because I can control myself well. This can then make me underestimate the self-control that I have, and it can make me forget that self-control must be trained and maintained so that we can still have good self-control. There is no need for any awards because having self-control is for our good in gambling so that we do not exceed the limits we have set.

I still can't even include the social aspect because I'm still worried about the arrogant attitude that could come towards me or us, and as I said earlier, I or we could take our self-control for granted so that it will make us forget ourselves. That wouldn't be good for us, and in my opinion, we should look after each other and remind each other if we are close to reaching the limit we set so that we can stop gambling together. That will keep us from crossing the line.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on November 15, 2023, 10:07:34 AM

What if we gamified self-control itself? Imagine an app that tracks your gambling habits, nudges you when you're nearing your set limits, and rewards you for sticking to your budget. It's about turning the tables on gambling - using the same principles of reward and engagement but for promoting responsible behavior.

And there's more to this idea. What about incorporating a social aspect? A platform where you and your friends set challenges for responsible gambling, support each other, and celebrate adherence to limits. This way, gambling becomes not just about the game, but also about the satisfaction of self-control. It's about changing the narrative from "how much can I win?" to "how well can I manage my gambling?". By doing so, we're not just enjoying the game, but also mastering the art of self-discipline.

That is an interesting idea, however the most difficult aspect will be to get the people that actually need help to use such an app or the principles behind it, so I would think the effects of an app like that as being limited at best.

And this is because problem gamblers have no interest at all in limiting themselves and this is a wish that only emerges within them once they are deep into theirs addictions, and by that time professional help is needed and no app will be able to help those people.

Professional help, app,counselling, advises etc.. It wont really be that much effective if we do speak about treating gambling addiction or in the time that you are already that too impulsive.
You would really be having that a hard time on trying out to get out once you had been shackled on it. We do know that gambling is really just that for fun but on the time that you are already
that making yourself getting that point on which spending is already on the rooftop then this is where things turns out to be messy if you do really come into a point that you are already
that making things not right anymore. You wont really be considered to be safe if you are really that making things to be out of the line or with your limitation or something
that sensible on doing so. Just have that moderation or control then youre good to go.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on November 15, 2023, 10:07:34 AM

What if we gamified self-control itself? Imagine an app that tracks your gambling habits, nudges you when you're nearing your set limits, and rewards you for sticking to your budget. It's about turning the tables on gambling - using the same principles of reward and engagement but for promoting responsible behavior.

And there's more to this idea. What about incorporating a social aspect? A platform where you and your friends set challenges for responsible gambling, support each other, and celebrate adherence to limits. This way, gambling becomes not just about the game, but also about the satisfaction of self-control. It's about changing the narrative from "how much can I win?" to "how well can I manage my gambling?". By doing so, we're not just enjoying the game, but also mastering the art of self-discipline.

That is an interesting idea, however the most difficult aspect will be to get the people that actually need help to use such an app or the principles behind it, so I would think the effects of an app like that as being limited at best.

And this is because problem gamblers have no interest at all in limiting themselves and this is a wish that only emerges within them once they are deep into theirs addictions, and by that time professional help is needed and no app will be able to help those people.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on November 15, 2023, 07:17:19 AM

though it's true that not everyone can do that and most of the time it's just a small percentage of those gamblers who can follow
their set limitations, most are exceeding and fall into addiction.

Yes, if we talk about facts, of course there are still many gamblers who gamble outside the limits so they are more easily addicted, it is true that it is not easy to consistently limit the budget but that is the only way that I think can prevent ourselves from becoming addicted to gambling, because as we know it is difficult To cure gambling addiction, let alone becoming a serious addict, it will definitely not be helped.

It is our duty for consistent gamblers to continue to remind novice gamblers who sometimes still often play outside the limits and never even limit their budget when gambling so that playing beyond the limits costs a lot of money so they become easily addicted, I know that is a complicated way to make People can be consistent but there's no harm in trying.

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Quote from: maydna on November 15, 2023, 09:41:32 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on November 15, 2023, 07:17:19 AM

if you can limit yourself and not exceed it after executing it then the chance of getting addicted is not possible as your
Set limitations will keep you away from adding more money and time.

though it's true that not everyone can do that and most of the time it's just a small percentage of those gamblers who can follow
their set limitations, most are exceeding and fall into addiction.

That's why we have to continuously practice self-limitation and self-control in gambling so that we don't become addicted, especially since we don't know when the addiction will come and be within us. But if we realize it, actually, the seeds of addiction have emerged in us after we have finished gambling. It's just that we don't realize it and don't think that these are the seeds of gambling addiction. And when we gamble more often, the seeds of addiction become big and even take over our minds to continue gambling all day long. Of course, it costs a lot of money, and it doesn't guarantee us a lot of winnings.

We must be able to have clear limits in gambling so that we don't overdo it and can still enjoy gambling well. We don't need to gamble for too long like those people, especially if we only have limited money, which we have prepared as a budget for gambling. And as long as we can stay within those limits, we can definitely avoid serious problems that come our way.

What if we gamified self-control itself? Imagine an app that tracks your gambling habits, nudges you when you're nearing your set limits, and rewards you for sticking to your budget. It's about turning the tables on gambling - using the same principles of reward and engagement but for promoting responsible behavior.

And there's more to this idea. What about incorporating a social aspect? A platform where you and your friends set challenges for responsible gambling, support each other, and celebrate adherence to limits. This way, gambling becomes not just about the game, but also about the satisfaction of self-control. It's about changing the narrative from "how much can I win?" to "how well can I manage my gambling?". By doing so, we're not just enjoying the game, but also mastering the art of self-discipline.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on November 15, 2023, 07:17:19 AM

if you can limit yourself and not exceed it after executing it then the chance of getting addicted is not possible as your
Set limitations will keep you away from adding more money and time.

though it's true that not everyone can do that and most of the time it's just a small percentage of those gamblers who can follow
their set limitations, most are exceeding and fall into addiction.

That's why we have to continuously practice self-limitation and self-control in gambling so that we don't become addicted, especially since we don't know when the addiction will come and be within us. But if we realize it, actually, the seeds of addiction have emerged in us after we have finished gambling. It's just that we don't realize it and don't think that these are the seeds of gambling addiction. And when we gamble more often, the seeds of addiction become big and even take over our minds to continue gambling all day long. Of course, it costs a lot of money, and it doesn't guarantee us a lot of winnings.

We must be able to have clear limits in gambling so that we don't overdo it and can still enjoy gambling well. We don't need to gamble for too long like those people, especially if we only have limited money, which we have prepared as a budget for gambling. And as long as we can stay within those limits, we can definitely avoid serious problems that come our way.

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Quote from: piebeyb on November 12, 2023, 10:14:53 AM

Yes, because limiting your budget is the most effective way to stay safe when gambling because so far people are gambling like crazy beyond their limits because they don't limit their bets to a set budget, it is indeed difficult to be consistent in following the set budget so that we can stop when the budget is completely exhausted, exhausted in the sense of money that is ready to be lost or money that is not used.

Get used to gambling to regulate everything and limit it because this method is quite effective in avoiding gambling habits and also gambling addiction, so by limiting every gambling behavior we will feel restricted so that we don't play outside the limits which can lead to irregular play and ultimately addiction. It is very difficult to cure if you are addicted, so stay safe when gambling by managing the right budget and time.

Limiting your budget on gambling is a wise action to stay safe when gambling, I agree with that. By limiting your budget, it means that you are limiting yourself from gambling more than you can afford. Usually, most gambling platforms now have a feature that allows someone to limit how much money they are ready to gamble and when they exceed this set, the system will usually notify them.
Indeed, for some people it will be quite difficult to get used to this kind of restriction method, but believe me it will really help them to be able to limit themselves and prevent them from becoming addicted to gambling.

It helps a lot in terms of avoiding addiction,

if you can limit yourself and not exceed it after executing it then the chance of getting addicted is not possible as your
Set limitations will keep you away from adding more money and time.

though it's true that not everyone can do that and most of the time it's just a small percentage of those gamblers who can follow
their set limitations, most are exceeding and fall into addiction.

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Quote from: Promocodeudo on November 12, 2023, 01:39:22 PM

It is advisable for a gambler to use spare money to gamble, this was the initial purpose for gambling, people increase their stakes most times because of greed, to avoid losing more in gambling one should avoid using much funds, gamble when you have the time to do so that's if you must, some people see gambling as a social practice, but I don't think there reasoning is correct, gambling is an addictive behavior, at such one needs to be very careful, when involving themselves in it, trying to recover loses has been a major reason why people get more addicted to gambling, this should be curtailed by gamblers.

The certain amount of the money form the income can be used in the gambling,So the loss of that money will not affect the gambler.If you suppose loss the money which is most essential for that week expenses,this will spoil the mentality of the gambler.So the gambler should take the responsibility of using the money into the gambling sites.The people should not increase the deposit money to the gambling sites on the loss of money in the continuous way.The gambler should wait for few days which help the gambler to get away from the gambling addiction.The gambler who get addicted will loss the huge money in the gambling.The also make their family into the financial trouble by losing huge loss in gambling.

Of course, the money that a player can use in gambling should not be large. The loss of this money in a normal situation in his famnily should not affect the overall family budget in any serious way. This is a normal situation, but, unfortunately, not all players are able to maintain this insignificant quota. But, if this happens to a given player, then we can safely assume that the money spent in the game is simply payment for the pleasure of playing.
What to do if the player starts spending more and more? How to stop him? Persuasion may not help such a player correct the situation. Banning people from playing is also not a good solution. And then a family problem arises, which each family solves differently. But in any case, this is a serious problem that will still have to be solved somehow.

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Quote from: Promocodeudo on November 12, 2023, 01:39:22 PM

It is advisable for a gambler to use spare money to gamble, this was the initial purpose for gambling, people increase their stakes most times because of greed, to avoid losing more in gambling one should avoid using much funds, gamble when you have the time to do so that's if you must, some people see gambling as a social practice, but I don't think there reasoning is correct, gambling is an addictive behavior, at such one needs to be very careful, when involving themselves in it, trying to recover loses has been a major reason why people get more addicted to gambling, this should be curtailed by gamblers.

The certain amount of the money form the income can be used in the gambling,So the loss of that money will not affect the gambler.If you suppose loss the money which is most essential for that week expenses,this will spoil the mentality of the gambler.So the gambler should take the responsibility of using the money into the gambling sites.The people should not increase the deposit money to the gambling sites on the loss of money in the continuous way.The gambler should wait for few days which help the gambler to get away from the gambling addiction.The gambler who get addicted will loss the huge money in the gambling.The also make their family into the financial trouble by losing huge loss in gambling.

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Quote from: piebeyb on November 12, 2023, 10:14:53 AM

Yes, because limiting your budget is the most effective way to stay safe when gambling because so far people are gambling like crazy beyond their limits because they don't limit their bets to a set budget, it is indeed difficult to be consistent in following the set budget so that we can stop when the budget is completely exhausted, exhausted in the sense of money that is ready to be lost or money that is not used.

Get used to gambling to regulate everything and limit it because this method is quite effective in avoiding gambling habits and also gambling addiction, so by limiting every gambling behavior we will feel restricted so that we don't play outside the limits which can lead to irregular play and ultimately addiction. It is very difficult to cure if you are addicted, so stay safe when gambling by managing the right budget and time.

Limiting your budget on gambling is a wise action to stay safe when gambling, I agree with that. By limiting your budget, it means that you are limiting yourself from gambling more than you can afford. Usually, most gambling platforms now have a feature that allows someone to limit how much money they are ready to gamble and when they exceed this set, the system will usually notify them.
Indeed, for some people it will be quite difficult to get used to this kind of restriction method, but believe me it will really help them to be able to limit themselves and prevent them from becoming addicted to gambling.

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Quote from: Promocodeudo on November 12, 2023, 01:39:22 PM

It is advisable for a gambler to use spare money to gamble, this was the initial purpose for gambling, people increase their stakes most times because of greed, to avoid losing more in gambling one should avoid using much funds, gamble when you have the time to do so that's if you must, some people see gambling as a social practice, but I don't think there reasoning is correct, gambling is an addictive behavior, at such one needs to be very careful, when involving themselves in it, trying to recover loses has been a major reason why people get more addicted to gambling, this should be curtailed by gamblers.

Greed has been one of the biggest challenge most gamblers face while gambling, not allowing their selves get too greedy sometimes is something they really do find difficult because they are trying to make a fortune gambling rather than having fun gambling.

Using spare money to gamble will definitely be the best because that way it's mostly money you can afford to loose and you will have lesser emotions attached to your gambling thereby making sure you make reasonable nd rational picks, but when you use money that is actually meant for something you get high expectations and gamble irresponsibly, using big fund and loosing it will definitely cause one to want to recover them but will end up becoming addicted because they continually Indulge.

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Quote from: Promocodeudo on November 12, 2023, 01:39:22 PM

It is advisable for a gambler to use spare money to gamble, this was the initial purpose for gambling, people increase their stakes most times because of greed, to avoid losing more in gambling one should avoid using much funds, gamble when you have the time to do so that's if you must, some people see gambling as a social practice, but I don't think there reasoning is correct, gambling is an addictive behavior, at such one needs to be very careful, when involving themselves in it, trying to recover loses has been a major reason why people get more addicted to gambling, this should be curtailed by gamblers.

I know how hard it is for someone to earn profits from gambling, let alone been an addict which is a terrible idea in the system. There are many things to cope about the system but revenge is definitely not one of them, because it will render one to become an irresponsible gambler and recording losses becomes a daily routine. We apply disciplinary measures and stick to solid strategy, stake according to our pockets and not out of range, probably affects us. We should sits in balance position to gamble, and also in specified position to earn significant winnings from the system.

it will push you to take unnecessary bets just to try recovering previous losses, it's better to have that system and continue following what you have setup, though sometimes you might exceed but always find the way to stop to lessen the chance of getting addicted, you can be safe if you have that mindset, be aware that following your emotions may lead you to a big danger while you are inside this kind of industry.

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Loss chasing is a common problem among gamblers, especially those with gambling addictions. This refers to the act of trying to recoup the money you lost by increasing your bets or playing more frequently. However, for those who are addicted this strategy rarely works and can cause more significant damage. So before you start gambling to control yourself decide on a budget that will help you avoid losses. Otherwise the addiction will lead you to overspend and chase losses which can lead to financial difficulties and gambling addiction.

This is what causes someone to take debilitating actions, gambling addiction will make us experience even more difficulties, both economic problems and family problems, and gambling addiction is one of the causes of household breakdown. We've definitely heard of it, right?
Therefore, we as gamblers definitely want to gamble safely without excessive losses by setting these limits and we can control our thoughts, so we will gamble safely and comfortably and can enjoy gambling with the aim of having fun without feeling pressure.

Better to gamble with limited finaces and time, exceeding will only cause us to become aggressive and from that point the chance of getting addicted is very possible, take your money and your time elsewhere if you are not a big fan of handling risk.

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Quote from: Lucius on September 22, 2023, 10:26:50 AM

I would add one more important thing, which is that you should not gamble with money for which you do not have a valid proof of origin - because I recently read a case where a user won almost $4 million with a deposit of $100k, and now the casino refuses to pay him win because he still hasn't been able to show them where the money he gambled with came from.

This is normal as there is no proof what the gambler should do if the casino refuses to pay the gambler after winning big money. You read such incidents but in reality such incidents can happen to us because we are involved in gambling. Maybe we haven't been in this situation yet because we gamble with less money. If we gamble with a small amount of money, we usually gain a small amount of money, but when we gamble with a relatively large amount of money and if we gamble with that jackpot, will the casino owner or the owners of various gambling sites refuse to take our payment?
My question to you is what should we do if something like this happens in our case or what should we be careful about before such an incident happens.

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Quote from: Negotiation on November 12, 2023, 08:09:19 AM

Quote from: klidex on November 09, 2023, 08:42:39 PM

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Loss chasing is a common problem among gamblers, especially those with gambling addictions. This refers to the act of trying to recoup the money you lost by increasing your bets or playing more frequently. However, for those who are addicted this strategy rarely works and can cause more significant damage. So before you start gambling to control yourself decide on a budget that will help you avoid losses. Otherwise the addiction will lead you to overspend and chase losses which can lead to financial difficulties and gambling addiction.

This is what causes someone to take debilitating actions, gambling addiction will make us experience even more difficulties, both economic problems and family problems, and gambling addiction is one of the causes of household breakdown. We've definitely heard of it, right?
Therefore, we as gamblers definitely want to gamble safely without excessive losses by setting these limits and we can control our thoughts, so we will gamble safely and comfortably and can enjoy gambling with the aim of having fun without feeling pressure.

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Quote from: Promocodeudo on November 12, 2023, 01:39:22 PM

It is advisable for a gambler to use spare money to gamble, this was the initial purpose for gambling, people increase their stakes most times because of greed, to avoid losing more in gambling one should avoid using much funds, gamble when you have the time to do so that's if you must, some people see gambling as a social practice, but I don't think there reasoning is correct, gambling is an addictive behavior, at such one needs to be very careful, when involving themselves in it, trying to recover loses has been a major reason why people get more addicted to gambling, this should be curtailed by gamblers.

I know how hard it is for someone to earn profits from gambling, let alone been an addict which is a terrible idea in the system. There are many things to cope about the system but revenge is definitely not one of them, because it will render one to become an irresponsible gambler and recording losses becomes a daily routine. We apply disciplinary measures and stick to solid strategy, stake according to our pockets and not out of range, probably affects us. We should sits in balance position to gamble, and also in specified position to earn significant winnings from the system.

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Quote from: Westinhome on November 12, 2023, 02:06:35 PM

Quote from: Promocodeudo on November 12, 2023, 01:39:22 PM

It is advisable for a gambler to use spare money to gamble, this was the initial purpose for gambling, people increase their stakes most times because of greed, to avoid losing more in gambling one should avoid using much funds, gamble when you have the time to do so that's if you must, some people see gambling as a social practice, but I don't think there reasoning is correct, gambling is an addictive behavior, at such one needs to be very careful, when involving themselves in it, trying to recover loses has been a major reason why people get more addicted to gambling, this should be curtailed by gamblers.

The gambling site was the risky one compared to the trading,because the trading based on the analysis of the trader.But the gambling based on the luck and skill,So it’s possible for the gambler to loss after some the skilled game because of the bad luck at the time.So practices of all the possibility was the important one in the gambling site.When the gambler get the continuous loss,it’s essential to take the break in the gambling site.But most of the gambler will do the continuous game and this leads to the big loss in the gambling site.So the gambler should not get greedy after the winning in the gambling site,the immediate withdraw will be the better option.

I agree on what you say that gambling should not be underestimated and is supposed to be treated as an activity of risk. But we should not underestimate the trading platforms either, because depending on the market and setup we have, it is equally easy to loss all our money on a exchange, in the same way we should lose it while gambling on a classic online Casino.
Actually, I admit it happened to me once while I was trading altcoins in Binance, I end up lossing all the money I had put to speculate in a top 10 alt.
The difference between a casino and an exchange, is that exchanges generally give us more products and tools according to the level of risk we are willing to take in order to increase possible profit. In a casino, it does not matter the level of risk one chooses, in the long term the house will win over all of us.

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Quote from: Promocodeudo on November 12, 2023, 01:39:22 PM

It is advisable for a gambler to use spare money to gamble, this was the initial purpose for gambling, people increase their stakes most times because of greed, to avoid losing more in gambling one should avoid using much funds, gamble when you have the time to do so that's if you must, some people see gambling as a social practice, but I don't think there reasoning is correct, gambling is an addictive behavior, at such one needs to be very careful, when involving themselves in it, trying to recover loses has been a major reason why people get more addicted to gambling, this should be curtailed by gamblers.

The gambling site was the risky one compared to the trading,because the trading based on the analysis of the trader.But the gambling based on the luck and skill,So it’s possible for the gambler to loss after some the skilled game because of the bad luck at the time.So practices of all the possibility was the important one in the gambling site.When the gambler get the continuous loss,it’s essential to take the break in the gambling site.But most of the gambler will do the continuous game and this leads to the big loss in the gambling site.So the gambler should not get greedy after the winning in the gambling site,the immediate withdraw will be the better option.

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It is advisable for a gambler to use spare money to gamble, this was the initial purpose for gambling, people increase their stakes most times because of greed, to avoid losing more in gambling one should avoid using much funds, gamble when you have the time to do so that's if you must, some people see gambling as a social practice, but I don't think there reasoning is correct, gambling is an addictive behavior, at such one needs to be very careful, when involving themselves in it, trying to recover loses has been a major reason why people get more addicted to gambling, this should be curtailed by gamblers.

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Yes, every gambler will try to recover money when he loses. Be it an addict or a non-addict it is a common thing for which we can never say it as a main reason for addiction. It takes more than a few symptoms to determine whether a gambler is addicted or not. among these main features is that those who spend long periods of time in gambling are more likely to become addicted. When a gambler spends more time in gambling than usual he is bound to become addicted. Moreover, those who have high expectations in gambling are also more likely to become addicted.

No, I don't think it's a common thing for casual players, casual players imply that they can stop whenever they want to unlike addicts that will try their best and do anything that they have to do to gamble again and I didn't even said that chasing losses is the main reason for addiction, yes it does take a few symptoms but when one shows, shouldn't you consider doing something about it especially if that symptom you're talking about is chasing losses because it's damaging to that person and the person around them financially.

It's a general belief that gamblers are always chasing their losses whenever they're losing in their bet but from my own personal experience, I don't think that belief is true.
There are gamblers who will always decide not to continue with their gambling activities whenever they're losing instead of gambling more in their quest to recover from their already lost games. Trying to recover the money that's lost in gambling immediately haven't worked like everyone tried it have expected so I don't think it's wise doing it.

Yes, it will not be the same for everyone. There are many gamblers who are very excited to recover their losses quickly and then lose rather than gain. There are many who try to get out of betting after losing. The difference here is gambling knowledge. Many would assume that those who have enough money will be chasing and those who don't can take a break from gambling. But only those who have money and don't try to recover their losses quickly can be safe form gambling. The more a gambler rushes, the more likely he is to lose.

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Quote from: slapper on November 12, 2023, 09:34:24 AM

Unfortunately, addiction doesn't consider your money. It will make you splurge to recapture losses. The true issue begins there. Money problems, gambling addiction. So be strong. Always follow your budget. Managing spending is like managing your life

Yes, because limiting your budget is the most effective way to stay safe when gambling because so far people are gambling like crazy beyond their limits because they don't limit their bets to a set budget, it is indeed difficult to be consistent in following the set budget so that we can stop when the budget is completely exhausted, exhausted in the sense of money that is ready to be lost or money that is not used.

Get used to gambling to regulate everything and limit it because this method is quite effective in avoiding gambling habits and also gambling addiction, so by limiting every gambling behavior we will feel restricted so that we don't play outside the limits which can lead to irregular play and ultimately addiction. It is very difficult to cure if you are addicted, so stay safe when gambling by managing the right budget and time.

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