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Quote from: PX-Z on September 26, 2023, 07:56:46 PM

Quote from: robelneo on September 26, 2023, 12:05:11 PM

Best Answer In fact other forums are already implementing this, if I have a forum I will never implement this as it will not encourage diversity in response readers will just focus on that one reply disregarding all the other incoming replies that could be better than the best reply and besides discussion begets new discussion within a discussion, if you have this it will discourage that.

I doubt this current forum software is compatible to that upgraded version. Also, there's already merit system which work the same for this. It could be more helpful if there's a sort feature of every thread's reply, the most/least merited reply, oldest/newest, etc..

Of course, there will be compatibility features, and it's coming from a third party I just want to point out to OP there's existing already but it's different when it comes to compatibility, there are requests that cannot be granted because of compatibility to the forum version Bitcointalk is using, when I still have an active forum I faced a lot of issues when it comes to compatibility, it's better for an SMF to have a simplified features it loads faster and few bugs the best replies should appear in a thread feature will totally shake up how the posters view the threads and posts.

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I think post are being merited according to how you finds it useful and helpful besides others may not see it interesting therefore may not be merited or may not value it. So if judging by merits then I can say is wrong, have you seen were someone post nothing much meaningful and gain merits to it? Yes some are just because that person is a giver as well and has gained popularity and to whatever they posted they easily gets merits but this doesn't show how constructive the post is to other people. Besides other thing I noticed is that a thread are being sorted according to how they replied there's no way it would be on random sorts rather than # counting from 1 to last page.

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Quote from: Zoomic on September 26, 2023, 11:54:47 AM

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@hatshepsut93 published a script some time ago that allows one to sort by merits a given thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52836909

In the context for the thread it was initially aimed at, the Anniversary Art Contest, it’s an alternative view that could make sense. In general terms though, it will break the order of the conversational flow, leading to likely missing out comments that build-up to a given posted answer/comment.

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You're talking about reddit, such interface will make advertisement become better, but it's not good for reading all the replies because it ruin the arrangement.

I wouldn't surprise to see a drama about merit because merit selling is very possible here, to make the user who wear their signature comes up into the first page. The problem of merit selling is good evidence, people could deny it's not merit selling by saying giving merit is subjective.

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OP, if I were you I would lock the thread. Just so you don't continue to accumulate opinions against your idea. You have had an idea, about which people are mostly against and now it is time to move on.

Of all the responses most are radically against it, and a few say that some of what you say makes sense but they don't see the need for it. You can add one more to those who are radically against it, mine. This forum is fine showing replies in chronological order, there is no need to change it nor would it be positive at all.

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Best reply with you can be not a best reply with me. Because you have your knowledge that is different than me. What you need, what can help you can be different than what can help me. A post is helpful with you can not be helpful with me because I already know about that knowledge.

If a best reply is only based on its received merit, it is not correct too. Received merits can be emotionally distributed by merit sources and how thin or deep their sourced merits is at a time they click on Merit. Received merit can be from farm accounts too so it does not good to use for choosing a best reply.

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Quote from: robelneo on September 26, 2023, 12:05:11 PM

Best Answer In fact other forums are already implementing this, if I have a forum I will never implement this as it will not encourage diversity in response readers will just focus on that one reply disregarding all the other incoming replies that could be better than the best reply and besides discussion begets new discussion within a discussion, if you have this it will discourage that.

I doubt this current forum software is compatible to that upgraded version. Also, there's already merit system which work the same for this. It could be more helpful if there's a sort feature of every thread's reply, the most/least merited reply, oldest/newest, etc..

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Is merit an absolute determinant of what a quality post might have been or identifies best replies, let alone a thread?

I think not. Most of the things we work with here on the forum are subjective and time bound. You wouldn’t expect a reply made at 12noon just to be repasted at an earlier time let’s say, 9am just because it had merits on it while others didn’t and it’s perceived to be the best response.

If is boiled open your year a little I’ll say, merits attracts more merits and people tends to merit posts that already had merits on them. Also, users as well do follow up certain users posting style and merit based on discretion.

That doesn’t make the posts any better from the rest.
It’s just normal to scan a thread by reading through in such for response of interest and when satisfied, you’ll be good to go unto the next.

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No, no, no and one more time - no! No offence, but I think it's bad idea. Like most here already said, posts should be shown in chronological order - from start to the end. I'm not sure what's point to show one post out of context alone on the top. It's same like book - you don't read it from 54th page, you read it from 1st page to the last page.

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Quote from: m2017 on September 26, 2023, 12:18:45 PM

The idea of ranking posts based on merit seems interesting (moving posts with merit to the front pages), but wouldn't that disrupt the natural flow of discussion on the forum and create confusion in the sequence of posts? That is, it will turn out that the answers to the questions will be in front (the first pages) of the questions themselves. In my opinion, this will create chaos with posts.

It will definitely affect the arrangement of the thread and it’s post, the replies was arrange in such a way that it looks more like a chat group where they follow sequentially. But if you bring those replies up base on merit then you will have a disorder. I have notice that most replies that actually get those merit more are the replies that sometimes correct the mistakes from other members replies, so if you arrange them base on merit then the replies that were corrected will be bury down.

This idea wouldn’t work out because if there is no merit then which of the posts comes first and or will the moderators be given another very hand work to fish out the best replies? The whole concept is good but surely one can’t be implemented. The best thing is if a thread is related what you are interested in then find sometime and go through it. You Might even find something helpful for you without it been merited to take It up the post ladder

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Quote from: hugeblack on September 26, 2023, 01:50:10 PM

Topics can be rearranged using

- Show Most Recent Post at the Top
- add each user who spamming to your ignore menu.
- Using UserScript to make a specific account replies first
- Rearrange topics according to merits .

These are 4 simple ways will be enhanced by the quality of replies but I do not think that there is an indication of the quality of replies and changing the arrangement of topics will be a little more difficult to track discussions.

Do we have a benchmark of how we will determine the quality of a post? Sometimes comments that look stupid at first glance can be valuable if you look deep enough. People have different approaches and points of view to judge a topic and react to it. Someone's comment might just share his points of view and it doesn't add any real value to most of the forum members.

BTW i am familiar with point number 4. How to use this use scrip?

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Quote from: Zoomic on September 26, 2023, 11:54:47 AM

The earliest replies get more attention and earn more merit

I agree with you but this does not happen in all cases. And this also depends on the person meriting you on how they tend to relate your post to their own opinion on the post, whether it’s worth giving merit or not.

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Some of the replies from pages 3 upwards are repetition of what others said in pages 1 and 2.

This happens but not in all posts. If you will take your time to go through the replies until the last page, you’ll hear different opinions and views on people no matter how slightly different it is. That is why some users get merited in the later pages than the first page.

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I also understood that some of the quality contributors sometimes arrive late and their replies get buried easily

This is left for the OP to follow up on the replies of people on his post. If he seeks to really get answers to what he asked while creating the thread, he won’t neglect it and continue to interact with the people on that thread until maybe he finds the perfect answer to his question. Those that go through replies can also see a good reply in one of those pages and can easily merit them, hence the reason why some later post have more merit than the first page of reply.

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Topics can be rearranged using

- Show Most Recent Post at the Top
- add each user who spamming to your ignore menu.
- Using UserScript to make a specific account replies first
- Rearrange topics according to merits .

These are 4 simple ways will be enhanced by the quality of replies but I do not think that there is an indication of the quality of replies and changing the arrangement of topics will be a little more difficult to track discussions.

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Quote from: Zoomic on September 26, 2023, 12:38:31 PM

Quote from: m2017 on September 26, 2023, 12:18:45 PM

The idea of ranking posts based on merit seems interesting (moving posts with merit to the front pages), but wouldn't that disrupt the natural flow of discussion on the forum and create confusion in the sequence of posts? That is, it will turn out that the answers to the questions will be in front (the first pages) of the questions themselves. In my opinion, this will create chaos with posts.

Disruption of the natural flow of conversation is your strongest point and I do no think I have a way off it for now. Thanks for your seasoned contribution.

The natural flow of the discussion will be disrupted and the flow that has been sorted according to when the post was made will look messy if it refers to the system that OP wants to implement.

There is also no definite standard as to whether the best post will appear on top or not, as the parameters of a post will be determined by how relevant the comments made are or also by the members involved in the discussion.

Just need to follow how the discussion goes and see whose posts or responses are really relevant and deserve to be given merit or something else.

OP is good enough to give his ideas, whether they are implemented or not is for the forum developers to decide.
We see that the Bitcointalk forum currently has a good system order, as well as the implementation of the merit system, and the latest is the use of the sign (OP) as a marker that the member is an Original Poster, and it has been 1 year since the OP sign (SMF patch) was implemented and initiated by PowerGlove.

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The first point you pointed out, I completely agree. No deny on that. Sometimes it's not even the first person it's the user. As you become a known person in this forum, and when others who knew you previously, see you comment something good, they simply give out merits.

Even if they arrive late or reply late, that doesn't matter. Those who are really dedicated dig all the way from page 1 to page 10. Even I sometimes read several pages before replying. I think what matters, is the important of a post. If it were useful in any way, you'll see much constructive reply from almost all the top users.

On the other hand, if it were a spam post or shitpost, there won't me much activity anyway. And you won't need to read all the pages.

The thing you are asking for is good but somehow not necessary (My opinion). It may create a mess in that thread. When it's sorted based on dates, it helps a lot in finding a comment and replying to it. But if you sort it based on merit or in any other ways, reply will get scrambled. Who knows where my comment would be. How would others find my comment in a thread where he/she wanted to reply! Is my comment worthy or useless. Who would determine that!

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I don't buy this your idea OP, because the reply to a post should be based on first come, first post. Not all replies without merits show that it is not quality enough. A post might be quality to me and not quality to the other person. What matter most is that the discussion is flowing and people are learning and contributing based on the OP or based on the contributions by forum members above.

If the merited post are put on the first page, you will see that the discussion will be zig zag and can set confusion on newbies or members that are trying to learn from the thread. It will kill the fun of the discussion in the forum.

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Quote from: Faisal2202 on September 26, 2023, 12:01:58 PM

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somehow I do agree with you because if the thread goes work like this will not be good. The reason as OP is saying all the post of the threads comes on the first page and it doesn't matter even if they do a late reply and somehow get merit. in this way, other people who are coming to read the thread they will not read other posts that don't get any merit. Those posts will be considered as shit even posts have valuable knowledge right?

in conclusion, I would say it is the best way as it is now. In this way, all the members have the same respect as merited ones. There will be no judgment like which post should be read or not to be read. I think it sounds well.

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Quote from: m2017 on September 26, 2023, 12:18:45 PM

But nuances arise. How to evaluate the usefulness of posts? Merit is not a 100% objective measure of usefulness. Especially in the hands of merit sources, who sometimes throw away merit in batches left and right, which casts doubt on the usefulness of certain posts.

You have a great observation here. I admire your sense of reasoning. As you said, this could cause another problem whereby we may have a group of people who may agree to keep one another's post on the first page. They may keep sending merits to the posts to keep them at the top even when the post quality does not worth it.

Quote from: m2017 on September 26, 2023, 12:18:45 PM

The idea of ranking posts based on merit seems interesting (moving posts with merit to the front pages), but wouldn't that disrupt the natural flow of discussion on the forum and create confusion in the sequence of posts? That is, it will turn out that the answers to the questions will be in front (the first pages) of the questions themselves. In my opinion, this will create chaos with posts.

Disruption of the natural flow of conversation is your strongest point and I do no think I have a way off it for now. Thanks for your seasoned contribution.

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The best replies may not end up at the top or get the most number of votes, some of the best replies happen after the first or two pages and those who voted may think that they voted for the best replies when there are better replies that will come and missed it, we have the merit system and a post getting merits sometimes happen along the discussion, could be after the end of the discussion, if you create a poll for this I don't think many will agree on having the best reply voted show up on top.

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Well, it won't be justified to to make someone's reply on top page only because that reply received merits. Sometimes there are very good replies to a post that doesn't receive any merits and those replies are mostly on page no 1 or 2, but if whatever you said is implemented on forum then all those replies will be further away from those 2 pages.

The merits can't justify that how good someone's reply is because merits are sent by members and everyone has difference in their opinions. Let's say if someone agrees with another user's opinion then that person may send the user a merit for that contributive opinion while if others don't agree with that opinion may send merit to someone else's opinion which is totally different from 1st user's opinion.

I believe such kind of system will create much trouble in forum and won't be helpful at all. The ones who make contributive replies will get discouraged if their replies don't appear on the place where they have posted those replies. Such kind of system will be totally a failure if it's implemented on mega-threads as they have thousands of pages and if even a single user receives a merit then his/her post will somehow disappear because it will move to those pages where the replies have received merits.

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