Best way to combat the cartels: Legalization of Drugs

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Quote from: worldofcoins on December 01, 2021, 02:19:57 PM

I totally disagree with this. The legalization of drugs can result in disaster. No government would ever want to destroy its citizens through the harmful usage of drugs. It can destroy a nation. Secondly, it also depends on what kinds of drugs you are talking about.
Abused medicines cannot be allowed because of the reason I have mentioned. But for medical and life-saving drugs, Yes they should or I say must be allowed.

Except for modern medicine, of course. Cool

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I totally disagree with this. The legalization of drugs can result in disaster. No government would ever want to destroy its citizens through the harmful usage of drugs. It can destroy a nation. Secondly, it also depends on what kinds of drugs you are talking about.
Abused medicines cannot be allowed because of the reason I have mentioned. But for medical and life-saving drugs, Yes they should or I say must be allowed.

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I agree thats one of the solutions and ill give an simple example - Mexico's Senate votes for legalizing the marijuana to choke off a black market dominated by violent gangs and we see that in a natural way,the old illegal underground activities start to dissapearby themselves,because, they dont have a market anymore.

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Quote from: franky1 on October 31, 2019, 01:21:00 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on October 23, 2019, 07:14:27 PM

But this isn't going to happen on the federal level in the US mostly because of business and other interests from the people listed below:

Police Unions
Correctional Officer Unions
For Profit Prisons AND REGULAR PRISONS
~~Big Pharma~~
Defense Lawyers
and so on.

- big pharma can actually make more money supplying a 'newly available drug

but your right about the for profit prisons and defense lawyers. locking up someone for drugs is far cheaper to investigate, arrest and convict than say a murder investigation is

It's not about something cheaper. It's the fact that when you're arresting people and putting them in prison for non violent drug related crimes, you're going to end up with a large amount of people who are in jail -- and there is a vestered interest in keeping them in jail for certain prisons.

For profit prisons make money per inmate, so they obviously want more people in prison.
Correctional officer unions have more members (more employees at correctional facilities) if more people are in prison, so they dont want there to be less crimes on the books.
Police unions - same reason as above for correctional unions.
Defense Lawyers - Same sort of thing as above, but less cases if there are less crimes on the books.

Etc.

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Quote from: franky1 on October 31, 2019, 01:21:00 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on October 23, 2019, 07:14:27 PM

But this isn't going to happen on the federal level in the US mostly because of business and other interests from the people listed below:

Police Unions
Correctional Officer Unions
For Profit Prisons AND REGULAR PRISONS
~~Big Pharma~~
Defense Lawyers
and so on.

- big pharma can actually make more money supplying a 'newly available drug

but your right about the for profit prisons and defense lawyers. locking up someone for drugs is far cheaper to investigate, arrest and convict than say a murder investigation is

Except of course if a drug like marijuana that can be grown easily and freely by everyone suddenly makes the billions of dollars of research expended on creating hundreds of types of different drugs irrelevant because it works much better, more safely, and less expensive than their options...

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Quote from: squatz1 on October 23, 2019, 07:14:27 PM

But this isn't going to happen on the federal level in the US mostly because of business and other interests from the people listed below:

Police Unions
Correctional Officer Unions
For Profit Prisons AND REGULAR PRISONS
~~Big Pharma~~
Defense Lawyers
and so on.

- big pharma can actually make more money supplying a 'newly available drug

but your right about the for profit prisons and defense lawyers. locking up someone for drugs is far cheaper to investigate, arrest and convict than say a murder investigation is

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Quote from: Jet Cash on October 30, 2019, 10:12:35 AM

It would be better to fix the problems that cause people to turn to the abuse of drugs, tobacco and alcohol.

But that's something that you can do in conjunction to making sure people are safe while using certain drugs.

Drugs like marijuana should be legalized and regulated. I'd much rather have the government collect tax revenue and regulate marijuana properly rather then people having to go into the world of drug dealing which COULD turn violent.

Plus the fact that we dont want people to die simply because they have an addiction.

In conjunction with all of these things happening we should continue to teach about the dangers of drug use in schools. That's the best way to stop the next generation from using drugs as well. Teaching them healthy ways to cope with issues, and so on and so forth.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on October 30, 2019, 01:13:41 AM

Just to give an insight about the drugs in general, I would like to share some information about the War on Drugs in the Philippines and why it cannot be extinguished.

Before President Duterte became president, his main advocacy was to eliminate the proliferation of drug usage by combatting drug users in a span of 6 months. This has been the whole agenda of his campaign with his famous tagline: Change is coming!, and people believed that he will fulfill his promise. It has been 3 years since then but the drug-war continues to dominate on the streets with extrajudicial killings done to most people living in the poverty lane.

Lately, he admitted that the drug problem cannot be fulfilled in his term but in fact, actually worsen when he steps down. Now, what would be the right approach to this kind of situation? Legalize drug-use specifically Marijuana or go hand-in-hand with cartels in a bloodbath situation?

No one really knows what would be the right approach but the fact that the government has been continuing with their operations and nothing has happened this past years say something about the whole situation.

I mean all of this can be explained rather quickly. Duterte is a politican, and wants more time in office to pad his own pockets and to maybe show SOME change regarding the war on drugs. That's how this whole political thing works, and even if it sucks thats still the case.

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Quote from: clickerz on October 24, 2019, 08:44:32 AM

Re: Best way to combat the cartels: Legalization of Drugs

Some may have points but I disagree on these. Legalization of Drugs leads to proliferation of it to some extent and ruining more lives even those who are not user. Also it depends on what kind of drugs. I am in favor of medical marijuana but not on meth,cocaine and other abused substance. Making them legal and freely accessed by anyone, does not solve the problem.

Well yes, I don't think that people should be able to use hard drugs. I probably should've been more specific when I use the term drugs, as that leaves a lot of possibilities open.

When I'm talking about drugs I'm mostly referring to Marijuana.

But I also think that there should be locations for people to use hard drugs safely -- not giving out the drugs, but at least the needles and so on and so forth. To attempt to save them from overdosing or something along those lines. It's much cheaper to have a needle dispensary rather then sending the ambulance and things along those lines to attempt to save them from them using too much.

There's a lot we can do, but at the end of the day people profiting runs in the way.

hmmm Locations for people to use drugs safely? Something like a drug den complete with amenities? A legal drug den Grin

Seriously, this is a worldwide problem. Substance abused should not be easily accessed.Once a person is addicted its hard to convince him to stop. Drug dealers are laughing with their profit and very happy whenever there is a new user since this is a target market. Once hook, its a loyal client.I pity those lives who goes in vain because of this unscrupulous people.

This isn't a place where drugs are sold, its a place where you can go when you're going to be using your drugs either way and you'd like to have medical professionals on staff in the event that you do overdose.

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^^^ You are essentially talking about fixing sin in the whole world. The only way to do this is to get people to willingly fill up on Bible Christianity. It ain't going to happen.

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It would be better to fix the problems that cause people to turn to the abuse of drugs, tobacco and alcohol.

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What I would like to see is total freedom to use drugs if a person doesn't make trouble for anyone else by his usage, but...

There should be massive advertising by government and others into the dangers of drug us. Safety limits should be advertised so that people know where to stop; for example, safety is 1 joint a day, max.

If people run into trouble, but not serious enough trouble that they hurt anyone, it should be the duty of their family and friends to pull them back to the safe limits.

If harm or damage is done by a person under the influence, the full effect of laws should come down on him with little or no mercy. Why? Because he had loads of advertising warning him, and he had friends and family to help him out.

I feel this way because of my desire for freedom for all of us, but protection for all of us. The government with its laws is trying to be nanny over us all. But it can't, and that is why the drug war has become more damaging than drug usage. Nanny attempts are opening up chances for narc agents to abuse their office and powers way more than any drugs could damage us.

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Just to give an insight about the drugs in general, I would like to share some information about the War on Drugs in the Philippines and why it cannot be extinguished.

Before President Duterte became president, his main advocacy was to eliminate the proliferation of drug usage by combatting drug users in a span of 6 months. This has been the whole agenda of his campaign with his famous tagline: Change is coming!, and people believed that he will fulfill his promise. It has been 3 years since then but the drug-war continues to dominate on the streets with extrajudicial killings done to most people living in the poverty lane.

Lately, he admitted that the drug problem cannot be fulfilled in his term but in fact, actually worsen when he steps down. Now, what would be the right approach to this kind of situation? Legalize drug-use specifically Marijuana or go hand-in-hand with cartels in a bloodbath situation?

No one really knows what would be the right approach but the fact that the government has been continuing with their operations and nothing has happened this past years say something about the whole situation.

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Quote from: squatz1 on October 24, 2019, 10:34:54 AM

Quote from: clickerz on October 24, 2019, 08:44:32 AM

Re: Best way to combat the cartels: Legalization of Drugs

Some may have points but I disagree on these. Legalization of Drugs leads to proliferation of it to some extent and ruining more lives even those who are not user. Also it depends on what kind of drugs. I am in favor of medical marijuana but not on meth,cocaine and other abused substance. Making them legal and freely accessed by anyone, does not solve the problem.

Well yes, I don't think that people should be able to use hard drugs. I probably should've been more specific when I use the term drugs, as that leaves a lot of possibilities open.

When I'm talking about drugs I'm mostly referring to Marijuana.

But I also think that there should be locations for people to use hard drugs safely -- not giving out the drugs, but at least the needles and so on and so forth. To attempt to save them from overdosing or something along those lines. It's much cheaper to have a needle dispensary rather then sending the ambulance and things along those lines to attempt to save them from them using too much.

There's a lot we can do, but at the end of the day people profiting runs in the way.

hmmm Locations for people to use drugs safely? Something like a drug den complete with amenities? A legal drug den Grin

Seriously, this is a worldwide problem. Substance abused should not be easily accessed.Once a person is addicted its hard to convince him to stop. Drug dealers are laughing with their profit and very happy whenever there is a new user since this is a target market. Once hook, its a loyal client.I pity those lives who goes in vain because of this unscrupulous people.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2019, 07:36:59 PM

^^^ But consider. Mexico is going to legalize drugs. What will happen to the price of drugs in the USA then? Seriously.

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Probably nothing. Even in markets where drugs (like marijuana) are legal, there is still an illegal market present due to it being cheaper then the illegal market. Look to Colorado to see this.

So we're still going to be importing drugs from Mexico -- could be both the legal markets and the illegal markets, though this is dependent on the taxes on where. But the flow of drugs isn't going to stop from Mexico.

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^^^ But consider. Mexico is going to legalize drugs. What will happen to the price of drugs in the USA then? Seriously.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on October 25, 2019, 10:50:11 AM

I think it's a good idea and it's not the first time it was brought up. We can see what making something illegal leads to on the example of the prohibition. People were always drinking just like they were always smoking something. Indians were taking drugs and their societies were not unproductive or full of addicts. This is a part of our culture but since it became illegal it gave birth to cartels just like prohibition made Al Capone. Making drugs legal would give money to the government, but it would also make some coppers unemployed and those coppers, their bosses, their friends and families will fight for the things to remain the way they are.

I agree the war on drugs has failed miserably. Marijuana prohibition being the biggest joke of them all by miles. Hard drugs I’m open to debate on this. But I can tell you while working with law enforcement daily ..they are not concerned what so ever about drug prohibition. In fact the vast majority not only hate that marijuana is illegal, they want to help it prosper. My company holds the city’s retirement plan and I help them understand investing and planning for retirement. A sizable % of law enforcement ask me what marijuana stock they should be buying and if their plans mutual funds have pot stock holdings. They aren’t concerned of losing their jobs and often admit they’ve got plenty of more important stuff they could easily be doing than making dope stops / arrests.

Eh. I don't think that people should be getting involved in investing in marijuana stocks. I think they've boomed a good amount and for no good reason. As there's no gurantee that the companies of today for Marijuana are going to be the companies of the future, and the indexes that are out now don't protect for that like something like a broad index -- like VTSAX from vanguard -- protected from.

I wouldn't be investing in the sectors companies. Unless you're getting involved on the macro scale.

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in my opinion drugs, at least the light ones should be legal all over the world, should follow the Dutch system, everyone should be able to grow their own marijuana plants in the garden...

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The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

Making things illegal and selectively enforcing them is best way to exert control.
Same goes for "Dogs must be on leash" signs. They're never enforced in the park near my house until some undesirables have a small puppy running around.

Same goes for cockfighting. If you're white, you can invite police over and they gamble on the sparring with you. If you brown, you going to prison.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on October 25, 2019, 10:50:11 AM

I think it's a good idea and it's not the first time it was brought up. We can see what making something illegal leads to on the example of the prohibition. People were always drinking just like they were always smoking something. Indians were taking drugs and their societies were not unproductive or full of addicts. This is a part of our culture but since it became illegal it gave birth to cartels just like prohibition made Al Capone. Making drugs legal would give money to the government, but it would also make some coppers unemployed and those coppers, their bosses, their friends and families will fight for the things to remain the way they are.

I agree the war on drugs has failed miserably. Marijuana prohibition being the biggest joke of them all by miles. Hard drugs I’m open to debate on this. But I can tell you while working with law enforcement daily ..they are not concerned what so ever about drug prohibition. In fact the vast majority not only hate that marijuana is illegal, they want to help it prosper. My company holds the city’s retirement plan and I help them understand investing and planning for retirement. A sizable % of law enforcement ask me what marijuana stock they should be buying and if their plans mutual funds have pot stock holdings. They aren’t concerned of losing their jobs and often admit they’ve got plenty of more important stuff they could easily be doing than making dope stops / arrests.

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I think it's a good idea and it's not the first time it was brought up. We can see what making something illegal leads to on the example of the prohibition. People were always drinking just like they were always smoking something. Indians were taking drugs and their societies were not unproductive or full of addicts. This is a part of our culture but since it became illegal it gave birth to cartels just like prohibition made Al Capone. Making drugs legal would give money to the government, but it would also make some coppers unemployed and those coppers, their bosses, their friends and families will fight for the things to remain the way they are.

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