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March 28, 2020, 06:34:57 PM
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All i know if you don't want to someone track your transaction you should use any well known coinmixer. You can find here some.

2) send your BTC to an exchange like bitbox, kucoin, huobi ... then buy monero, send them to another exchange like  bitbox, kucoin, huobi ... and buy back BTC
But what if those exchange are linked together so that monero transaction between two of them will be identified.

Well that's a common trick but i guess it's not good enough. Cause it's depend on how much coin you want to withdraw. Because many of those exchanges will be want KYC if btc withdraw amount is high (more than 2 btc or depends on separate exchanges).

The most secure way: Buy a mining farm and mine the virgin coins  Grin

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March 28, 2020, 06:15:45 PM
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The most secure way: Buy a mining farm and mine the virgin coins  Grin

You can also do cloud mining using Nicehash as well and get virgin coins this way.
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March 28, 2020, 05:01:11 PM
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The most secure way: Buy a mining farm and mine the virgin coins  Grin
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March 28, 2020, 03:51:12 PM
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It's likely they will ask you KYC verification and write all transaction details. If government decide to track you, you'll be tracked easily.

Those exchanges use KYC only when using important amount.
Thats correct but the use of exchange site as anonymity is concern is never a good one because almost all crypto currency use Google ReCAPTCHA which i believe can still be used to collect users data.

1) use BTC mixer such as WASABI
But there are talks about people getting involved in illegal things just because their BTC were mixed with illegal related BTC.

Wasabi is Bitcoin wallet with built-in CoinJoin, not mixer.
That's correct but it a wallet with confidential payment technology which can also be consider was a means of making anonymous payment and shouldn't be consider as mixer but it still good than some mixing company i dont want to mention name.
It better to make use of a mixing company though when anonymity is big priority.
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March 28, 2020, 03:05:31 PM
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Hello,

I usually get this question of people wanting to anonymize their BTC.

To this, the answer is one of the 2 methods :

1) use BTC mixer such as WASABI
But there are talks about people getting involved in illegal things just because their BTC were mixed with illegal related BTC.

2) send your BTC to an exchange like bitbox, kucoin, huobi ... then buy monero, send them to another exchange like  bitbox, kucoin, huobi ... and buy back BTC
But what if those exchange are linked together so that monero transaction between two of them will be identified.

Are there other methods? what is the best method between the two above?

Thanks

 


Unfortunately there is no option that you can make your transaction untrackable.
yes, you can use mixer services and wallets like Wasabi also but Bitcoin transaction is always transparent and it can be trace all the time. With some intelligent.
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March 28, 2020, 02:52:52 PM
#6
The problem with exchange it is that upto 2 BTC there is no need for KYC but anything bigger than that you have to go through KYC. I think the best option is to deal BTC over the counter.

Buy BTC using an exchange then transfer it to your wallet and later on convert it to fiat over the counter. The only issue is to find a reliable buyer.

Anyways Bitcoin was not created for the sake of anonymity but for decentralisation. If you want to hide your transactions always use privacy centric coins.
sr. member
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March 28, 2020, 07:56:53 AM
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Mixer way of working are not so different from coinjoin.

it is different. with mixer you relies on a third-party.

You put some BTC with other people's BTC, then several transaction are done.

no it is not. you sent your btc to a mixer but they can send it in batches, in single tx, or just give you a private key(s) for another address unrelated to yours.
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March 28, 2020, 07:51:14 AM
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It's likely they will ask you KYC verification and write all transaction details. If government decide to track you, you'll be tracked easily.

Those exchanges use KYC only when using important amount.

Wasabi is Bitcoin wallet with built-in CoinJoin, not mixer.

Coinjoin is putting different amounts of BTC from different persons in one or several transaction and then getting several outputs with the same amount so that It is difficult to know to whom the outputs are.
But if your name is tied to a transaction and another transaction in the coinjoin process is tied to criminal activities, The authority will make no distinction even if you are not involve.

Mixer way of working are not so different from coinjoin. You put some BTC with other people's BTC, then several transaction are done. Then you recover your BTC on different addresses.

I have heard that mixers are now illegal in the US. Some mixer have been shut down and mixer owners condemned.


are you from chipmixer (because you promote it)? is it reliable?

is flyp.me reliable?



legendary
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March 28, 2020, 06:40:12 AM
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This is Theymos's opinion, at least as of last year:

That said, there are two halfway-decent mixing methods currently:

#1 - Wasabi wallet

The Wasabi wallet uses CoinJoin in order to anonymize BTC.

 - Pros: Easy to use; fairly cheap ~0.15% fee; pretty good privacy; automatically uses Tor
 - Cons: ~0.1BTC minimum; with a great deal of effort and investigation, transaction analysis may still be possible, especially if you leave other traces; the coordinator could possibly do an active sybil attack against specific coins

#2 - Monero

Monero is not a magic black box which provides perfect anonymity! If you use eg. flyp.me to buy XMR and then quickly sell this XMR on flyp.me again, it is blatantly obvious to flyp.me what you've done (if they keep logs), both due to the amounts and the specific Monero inputs used. In order to get decent privacy, you have to do something like this:
 1. Convert BTC to XMR (using your own Monero wallet, not a hosted wallet).
 2. In two or more transactions of random amounts, move XMR from that wallet to a different wallet/account.
 3. Optionally, you can repeat the above step with additional wallets/accounts for greater anonymity.
 4. Preferably in two or more transactions of random amounts, convert the XMR in your last wallet in the chain to BTC.
 
Ideally, all of the above should be performed over as long a period of time as you can tolerate.

 - Pros: Possibly the best anonymity, especially if you're able to stay within the XMR ecosystem to some extent
 - Cons: You should use Tor with Monero, but you have to set this up manually; it's all more difficult; you're exposed to exchange rate risk; transaction fees may be significant

P.S.
If services like ChipMixer operated based on blinded bearer certificates, then they'd be in many ways superior to both of the above mixing methods. Someone should work on this.

Note the postscript at the bottom. ChipMixer may be in the process of implementing a blinded scheme:

If Chipmixer were interested in running such a service, I would be interested in implementing the code to turn Chipmixer into a Chaumian bank.  Trustless for privacy, though you must trust them to not steal your money (just as now).  I would use a protocol designed by cryptographers, not my own concoction; blinded signature schemes are hard to get right (plus there is some existing open-source code I may adapt).
We have contacted nullius about developing Chaumian bank.
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March 28, 2020, 06:33:33 AM
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1) use BTC mixer such as WASABI
But there are talks about people getting involved in illegal things just because their BTC were mixed with illegal related BTC.

Wasabi is Bitcoin wallet with built-in CoinJoin, not mixer.

2) send your BTC to an exchange like bitbox, kucoin, huobi ... then buy monero, send them to another exchange like  bitbox, kucoin, huobi ... and buy back BTC
But what if those exchange are linked together so that monero transaction between two of them will be identified.

It's likely they will ask you KYC verification and write all transaction details. If government decide to track you, you'll be tracked easily.
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March 28, 2020, 05:42:08 AM
#1
Hello,

I usually get this question of people wanting to anonymize their BTC.

To this, the answer is one of the 2 methods :

1) use BTC mixer such as WASABI
But there are talks about people getting involved in illegal things just because their BTC were mixed with illegal related BTC.

2) send your BTC to an exchange like bitbox, kucoin, huobi ... then buy monero, send them to another exchange like  bitbox, kucoin, huobi ... and buy back BTC
But what if those exchange are linked together so that monero transaction between two of them will be identified.

Are there other methods? what is the best method between the two above?

Thanks

 
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