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Topic: BestMixer is gone, seized by the Financial Crime Investigation - page 4. (Read 1566 times)

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It's called privacy @cryptoreggae and in some countries, I can guarantee you it worths a lot of money. It's not just about GAFA or your browser. It's about your whole life, but it doesn't mean you commit a crime.
It's something the Cypherpunk have been fighting for decades. (There is a good text to read 'the cypherpunk manifesto'). And when people started to think about creating a decentralized currency, well before Satoshi and Bitcoin, they had privacy in mind.


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Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say
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Do not take me as a fool only because I think differently from you. Cyberpunks were not criminals, and Bitcoin was born to be anonymous not to facilitate crime and criminals.

It is no coincidence that Satoshi was not happy with the associated Assange and Bitcoin.

Privacy is a right, but it is a must to fight criminals, and I see no use in mixing services, none.

If you want to donate to Snowden what does it prohibit you to Exchange BTC for an anonymous one and then send it for a donation? Explain to me why I should use a mixing if I can use crypto anonymous.

BTC that pass through mixing cannot go into Exchange because they would be immediately blocked, this is the harsh truth and is why they are willing to pay up to 5% tax.
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It's called privacy @cryptoreggae and in some countries, I can guarantee you it worths a lot of money. It's not just about GAFA or your browser. It's about your whole life, but it doesn't mean you commit a crime.
It's something the Cypherpunk have been fighting for decades. (There is a good text to read 'the cypherpunk manifesto'). And when people started to think about creating a P2P currency, well before Satoshi and Bitcoin, they had privacy in mind.


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Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say
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Here the privacy is really zero.

I'm pretty sure privacy in here isn't 0, but 0 < k < 1

If you don't commit a crime, you have no reason to dirty your coins.

Have you ever heard the term of "Personal space" or "Personal matter" ?

For example, imagine if you only use 1 bitcoin address and make donation to a group with specific ideology. It's not crime, but people around you will judge you and usually people don't want it happens.

For an anonymous donation there is no need for mixing, it would be enough to use an anonymous coin.

That business volume, that percentage of tax to pay is only useful for illicit purposes. And I repeat, in my opinion who defends these services are two types of users: those who do business with them as the advertisements on this forum (all posts on this discussion, ALL, ALL, have a mixing service advertised), and those who use it for recycling.

My question is, is there really so need to advertise these services? Maybe the only real reason is why do they pay well?

Users who use for lawful purposes these services will be a percentage to 8 zeros, such as a Satoshi.
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It is right to close these shits. These are just a den of bandits, services available to criminals.
Why should I, who am clean, be using a mix?
Why does bitcointalk continue to allow advertising of these services clearly at the service of criminals in order to collect money?
This is bad for crypto.
Anonymity is not favoring illegality.
Now ban me too, but I am convinced that like me there are hundreds of thousands of people who think what I just said.
Enough advertising of ILLEGAL services on bitcointalk is enough, just look at this page to understand how many banners there are.
And I think that even bitcointalk publicizing these services unconsciously is doing nothing but favoring these criminals.
It makes no sense to try to justify the unjustifiable, those services are RECYCLING.
I do not pretend that everyone thinks like me, but I can assure you that I am not alone in finding these UNNECESSARY services for non-criminals. If you don't commit a crime, you have no reason to dirty your coins.

Daftness alone isn't enough to get banned.

Just because you assume only criminals value privacy doesn't make it anymore true.

If you never mix or otherwise obfuscate your coins everyone you do business with can glean some information about you, such is the nature of public ledger.
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I do not pretend that everyone thinks like me, but I can assure you that I am not alone in finding these UNNECESSARY services for non-criminals. If you don't commit a crime, you have no reason to dirty your coins.

Looking at your profiles is obvious that you try to defend your interests. Here the privacy is really zero.

The collusion of those who take money to advertise these services is obvious. It's convenient to collect money.
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It is right to close these shits. These are just a den of bandits, services available to criminals.

Why should I, who am clean, be using a mix?
Why does bitcointalk continue to allow advertising of these services clearly at the service of criminals in order to collect money?

This is bad for crypto.

Anonymity is not favoring illegality.

Now ban me too, but I am convinced that like me there are hundreds of thousands of people who think what I just said.

Enough advertising of ILLEGAL services on bitcointalk is enough, just look at this page to understand how many banners there are.

And I think that even bitcointalk publicizing these services unconsciously is doing nothing but favoring these criminals.
It makes no sense to try to justify the unjustifiable, those services are RECYCLING.
legendary
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What a cluster F*** this is thinking you were anonymously using this service just so you could stay anonymous. Undecided
I don't think we should ever assume that there is something truly anonymous here. TOR has proven to not be, and so do crypto mixers not offer you that benefit. It sucks of course, but we can't do anything about it.

BitMixer very likely felt the pressure coming from all sorts of agencies and pulled the plug right on time to avoid ending up like BestMixer. I'm glad that I sticked to ChipMixer, but this is definitely a warning signal to pay attention to.
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https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/bestmixerio-service-shut-down-for-laundering-200-million-/

It looks pretty general according to that. There's no mention of specific crimes, just tracing lots of questionable addresses to them. Well, if I were running any mixer I'd be off on holiday right now.
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Apparently the dutch authorities now have all addresses which used the service.

Holy shieeet

You are not anonymous bruh!

Wearing my hat back.
What a cluster F*** this is thinking you were anonymously using this service just so you could stay anonymous. Undecided
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If I remember yeah it's the first.
If bestmixer has been caught it's because how the mix is done wasn't so efficient. As proof, look today. I knew it already but it suddenly remembers me all the people claiming this and that is the best ever bla bla bla.

Look they even found how many bitcoins have been mixed and how many income they were making Cheesy
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https://securingtomorrow.mcafee.com/other-blogs/mcafee-labs/crypto-currency-laundering-service-bestmixer-io-taken-down-by-law-enforcement/

I'll bet John REALLY isn't happy to have his name all over this one. He should change his spelling.

Is this the first formal seizure of a mixing service? Presumably there must have been some crimes directly linked to it.
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Holy crap2

I wasn’t expecting something like this. Did the guy behind it got arrested?

Holy crap.  I'm not familiar with Bestmixer's business at all--does anyone know what country they operated out of?  Why would their site get seized?  Mixing coins isn't a crime,
Probably Germany Dutch? Looks like this “FIOD” is the Dutch Anti-Fraud agency. Or maybe they had parties in “Luxembourg, France and Latvia” according to the article.
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Holy crap.  I'm not familiar with Bestmixer's business at all--does anyone know what country they operated out of?  Why would their site get seized?  Mixing coins isn't a crime, right?

Ah, thank you.  So I guess there were laws in place that Bestmixer somehow violated.  I wonder if this is going to be contested and if it'll set a precedent in other countries and for other mixing services. 
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Here on the forum but I don't remember where. I went from topics to topics and ended on the post quoted, then I visited the website and that's how I saw it.

Someone posted this link but I can't open it
https://www.fiod.nl/the-fiod-and-the-public-prosecution-service-take-money-laundering-machine-for-cryptocurrencies-offline/

Here you go.
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Here on the forum but I don't remember where. I went from topics to topics and ended on the post quoted, then I visited the website and that's how I saw it.

Someone posted this link but I can't open it
https://www.fiod.nl/the-fiod-and-the-public-prosecution-service-take-money-laundering-machine-for-cryptocurrencies-offline/

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@dbshck
the picture looks fake to me maybe I am too much used to see the usual USA pages but this one makes me think he created one in a hurry. ugly

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@OmegaStarScream
thanks
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However, the site is currently displaying 404 Not found.
It's really seized. Here's how it looks on my end http://archive.is/MymVC
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I have the same error as you. I would've said that it's an exit scam but apparently, the twitter has been suspended as well...

Did anyone notice this before today? Because the owner hasn't been active since 19th of May and the address last transaction was last made on the 18th.
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What's going on with this mixer

Am i the only one noticing that the domain has been seized?  is this known yet?[/url]

When a site is seized it's supposed to display the famous page "seized by abcd jurisdiction". However, the site is currently displaying 404 Not found. Are people worried just for maintenance (which could be just this) or there is something and the site is really seized??

Weird the site disappears, the exact same day another one is created

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The site has really been seized
http://archive.is/MymVC
https://i.epvpimg.com/nbzRbab.png


https://www.fiod.nl/the-fiod-and-the-public-prosecution-service-take-money-laundering-machine-for-cryptocurrencies-offline/
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