BetBTC being caught violating the rules, for the fourth time.

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Quote from: BetBTC on June 16, 2016, 02:39:57 PM

We will stop using this forum with the regularity we currently use.
Our signature campaign will be canceled and we will come like once a week to our topic with just a weekly update and reply user's questions.

I guess this is "my fault" now?
You're on this forum because you want traffic from it, not the other way around.
That being said, I think I'm done here. Although I still think BetBTC deserves a ban for the previously presented.
Cyrus is free to unlock the thread again, if he either wants to confirm what I asked him to confirm or if he wants to take some action against BetBTC (/comment on it).
Same goes for any other Moderator.
Quickseller can surely find an answer to their question via PM, if BetBTC wants to give them one.

Quote from: Lauda on June 16, 2016, 03:45:50 AM

It might be good to temporarily lock this thread.

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Quote from: Lauda on June 16, 2016, 03:45:50 AM

Quote from: Spider-Goat on June 15, 2016, 10:02:09 PM

There are many websites bumping thread many times a day using 3 to 5 accounts. Why only singling betbtc?

Quote from: Lutpin on June 12, 2016, 07:06:09 PM

You're again bringing up the misdoings of others in order to defend your own ones.

I think that this was said multiple times by different people, moderators can't be in all of the sections and see all of the people breaking the rules. That is just not possible. Nobody is singling out BetBTC. If you can provide a compiled list of other people that are breaking similar rules, PM them to me or some other moderator and we will handle it.

It might be good to temporarily lock this thread.

We will stop using this forum with the regularity we currently use.
Our signature campaign will be canceled and we will come like once a week to our topic with just a weekly update and reply user's questions.

Kind regards

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Quote from: Spider-Goat on June 15, 2016, 10:02:09 PM

There are many websites bumping thread many times a day using 3 to 5 accounts. Why only singling betbtc?

Quote from: Lutpin on June 12, 2016, 07:06:09 PM

You're again bringing up the misdoings of others in order to defend your own ones.

I think that this was said multiple times by different people, moderators can't be in all of the sections and see all of the people breaking the rules. That is just not possible. Nobody is singling out BetBTC. If you can provide a compiled list of other people that are breaking similar rules, PM them to me or some other moderator and we will handle it.

It might be good to temporarily lock this thread.

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: Spider-Goat on June 15, 2016, 10:02:09 PM

There are many websites bumping thread many times a day using 3 to 5 accounts. Why only singling betbtc?

This one here is by far not my first report of this kind.
Usually I've been doing them to Cyrus via PM, which had provided itself as a good way of getting things done in the past.
As Cyrus hasn't been very responsive to my latest few PMs, I've decided to go the public way by posting a thread in Meta about it.
Just because others are violating the rules doesn't mean BetBTC should be allowed to do so, it rather should mean we (/Staff) should focus on finding and punishing those violations aswell.

One of my past reports for example featured BitSler (Cyrus is free to confirm or post the PM I've sent him about them in case he gets here).

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There are many websites bumping thread many times a day using 3 to 5 accounts. Why only singling betbtc?

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Out of curiosity, did BetBTC recently hire a new signature campaign manager and/or moderator to their site?

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Quote from: minifrij on June 15, 2016, 05:22:16 PM

Quote from: BetBTC on June 15, 2016, 05:17:34 PM

Quote from: Lutpin on June 15, 2016, 05:06:05 PM

4. Bumps are limited to once per day (24 hours), yes this includes "updates", that's what the edit button is for. Old bumps should be deleted as they serve no purpose, and only clutter up topics and make it more annoying to read.

While I feel like it may be futile, let's try to explain it again. The problem with what you're doing isn't about what you do with previous bumps on your thread. The problem is that your bumps are not within 24 hours of each other.
I even italicized the part of your quote which applies to what you're doing wrong.

alright, I think I may have got it wrong, will re-change the posting strategy in that case

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Quote from: BetBTC on June 15, 2016, 05:17:34 PM

Quote from: Lutpin on June 15, 2016, 05:06:05 PM

4. Bumps are limited to once per day (24 hours), yes this includes "updates", that's what the edit button is for. Old bumps should be deleted as they serve no purpose, and only clutter up topics and make it more annoying to read.

While I feel like it may be futile, let's try to explain it again. The problem with what you're doing isn't about what you do with previous bumps on your thread. The problem is that your bumps are not within 24 hours of each other.
I even italicized the part of your quote which applies to what you're doing wrong.

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Quote from: Lutpin on June 15, 2016, 05:06:05 PM

4. Bumps are limited to once per day (24 hours), yes this includes "updates", that's what the edit button is for. Old bumps should be deleted as they serve no purpose, and only clutter up topics and make it more annoying to read.

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Goodbye, Z.

Coming back to this thread means BetBTC has been bending the rules again.

The most recent bumps to their thread are as following :
(they've been deleting previous bumps upon adding the new ones, still not going with the rules)

http://archive.is/PpRZa#90% - June 15, 2016, 01:00:54 AM
http://archive.is/QCRt3#90% - June 15, 2016, 06:00:59 AM
http://archive.is/SK8jd#90% - June 15, 2016, 12:01:21 PM
http://archive.is/sXVUO#90% - June 15, 2016, 03:00:53 PM
http://archive.is/FO8TL#90% - June 15, 2016, 06:01:11 PM

In a 18 hour time window, they've bumped their thread 5 times (I think it was even 6 times, as I missed to archive the first one).
That is after I created this thread, they cried about not understanding the rules, and Lauda clearly explained to them how the rules are to understand.

At this point, I kinda feel like beeing teased by them.
I told you I'll keep watching you, BetBTC.

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2016, 07:02:27 PM

Update:

Quote from: Lutpin on June 11, 2016, 05:21:08 PM

Their most recent bumps are (default forum time):
Today at 10:00:11 PM
Today at 12:00:11 PM
Today at 01:00:22 AM

Is it me, or are those posts gone? Have you archived them?

I've reported the latter 2 of those posts, as they are violating the forum rules. Possible that they got deleted as a result.
Either that, or BetBTC cleaned up their thread, after reading this topic.

Didn't think to archive everything, although there might be an archived version somewhere out there, would have to search for it.

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Quote from: Lauda on June 12, 2016, 07:15:01 PM

Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 07:09:14 PM

I won't send you a PM sicne they are not breaching anything,

You've said that they are violating the rules in your previous posts, and now you change your mind? That's a bit contradictory.

Quote from: Lutpin on June 12, 2016, 07:06:09 PM

Check the update of my previous post.

I didn't tell they are breaching the rules, I told they use multiple users and topics (legit according to your rules) to do what we do with one user and topic. As this is the standard accepted behaviour on this forum, we will also adapt ourselves.

We received yesterday some pms that a moderator deleted some of our posts

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Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 07:09:14 PM

I won't send you a PM sicne they are not breaching anything,

You've said that they are violating the rules in your previous posts, and now you change your mind? That's a bit contradictory.

Quote from: Lutpin on June 12, 2016, 07:06:09 PM

Check the update of my previous post.

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As I told before we have changed our rules since the last ban, and we think we were acting legit during the last 2 months.
I won't send you a PM sicne they are not breaching anything, what we will do is also create one more topic for dice and one account BetBTC-Dice to help us manage our activity on this forum and keeping ourselves also legit without breaching more rules, hope this rules could be updated soon for something more effective, there wouldn0t be more bumps on the topic, I understood now what you consider a bump.

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:58:38 PM

there are casinos and services with 3 accounts and 5 topics for the same purpose, making "Bump" Posts without any warnings.

You're again bringing up the misdoings of others in order to defend your own ones.
This isn't about rule violations done by others, this thread was created because of the violations done by you.

Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:58:38 PM

We strive to follow rules and play clean but it's really hard to understand some rules here.

I think Lauda and I made this one clear to you now,
it's hard to imagine you took 2 bans and what could easily have been (or still become) a third one to figure out one of the most simple rules in the marketplace section.
Strive to follow that one from now on aswell (it's obvious I got my eye on you).

Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:53:39 PM

(I didn't noticed he is a mod)

You get it from the little text saying "Staff" below their name.

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Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:58:38 PM

We strive to follow rules and play clean but it's really hard to understand some rules here.

Well, this is your third violation. Some rules are more difficult to understand as they can't cover all possible cases and variations. There are cases in which this could be acceptable in the Gambling section. There's a huge difference between replying to your clients and posting these 'updates'.

Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:58:38 PM

We have 1 account and 1 topic on this forum, there are casinos and services with 3 accounts and 5 topics for the same purpose, making "Bump" Posts without any warnings

You have to keep in mind that we can't be in all sections, all the time, and catch everyone doing things that are against the rules (this is why the 'Report' function exists). Make a summary of those and send it via PM to me and I'll check it out. Don't post it here because it would be off-topic.

Update:

Quote from: Lutpin on June 11, 2016, 05:21:08 PM

Their most recent bumps are (default forum time):
Today at 10:00:11 PM
Today at 12:00:11 PM
Today at 01:00:22 AM

Is it me, or are those posts gone? Have you archived them?

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We strive to follow rules and play clean but it's really hard to understand some rules here.

We have 1 account and 1 topic on this forum, there are casinos and services with 3 accounts and 5 topics for the same purpose, making "Bump" Posts without any warnings.
I don't understand why creating 4 more accounts and 3 more topics would make us legit

Example:
xxxOnline
xxxDice
xxxBook
xxxBet

(xxx is the service)
.....

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Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:53:39 PM

We reply to our users and inform about our most active markets - can't even be considered a bump since it's informative posts.

'Informative posts' are also known as, "updates". This is clearly covered in the list of rules:

Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:53:39 PM

Although all our posts are informative, we never make 2 following posts (that is what I consider as a bump and I know some forums..) in a 24h timeframe.

If we were to follow it by that logic it could be easily abused: You could 'pay' someone or use an alternative account(s) to post something between those 'updates'.

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That is not what I concluded from the rules - number 13

We reply to our users and inform about our most active markets - can't even be considered a bump since it's informative posts.

Although all our posts are informative, we never make 2 following posts (that is what I consider as a bump and I know some forums..) in a 24h timeframe.

If this is really considered an infringement here, rules should be clarified (I didn't noticed he is a mod) and our posting policy would be changed of course.

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:38:04 PM

We haven't breached the rules since our last 10day ban.

You have, I provided proof up there.

Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:38:04 PM

You don't find consecutive posts on our thread anymore.

I never said I did. However that's not what the rules state.

Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:38:04 PM

Please read rules yourself next time

Does that go out to the mod above confirming my statement aswell?
Because you're making a fool out of yourself right now.

Let's take a close look at the rules, shall we?
The rule in question is the following posted by BadBead:

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4. Bumps are limited to once per day (24 hours), yes this includes "updates", that's what the edit button is for. Old bumps should be deleted as they serve no purpose, and only clutter up topics and make it more annoying to read.

It doesn't say you can bump your thread twice in case someone else bumps it, it doesn't say you can post as much bumps as you want to, as long as there is another post after your bump.
What it says is you can do 1 bump every 24 hours.

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We haven't breached the rules since our last 10day ban.
The rule doesn't state that users can't make two posts on the same day (what we usually do), it says that you can't make two consecutive posts on a 24h interval. You don't find consecutive posts on our thread anymore.

Please read rules yourself next time.

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I've just verified it, and I do agree with you (especially considering that this is the third violation). I don't understand why it is hard for some people to follow (simple) rules. This is the worst part here (IMO):

Quote from: Lutpin on June 11, 2016, 05:21:08 PM

and then promised to stick to the rules from there on.

Update:

Quote from: BetBTC on June 12, 2016, 06:38:04 PM

The rule doesn't state that users can't make two posts on the same day (what we usually do), it says that you can't make two consecutive posts on a 24h interval. You don't find consecutive posts on our thread anymore.

Well, the 1 bump per 24 hours rule is not really about consecutive posts. It means that you should not be bumping your thread more often than 24 hours (whether it is just an empty "bump" or various 'updates' such as then ones that you post).

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Goodbye, Z.

The account BetBTC was banned some time back (first for 2 days, a month after for 10 days) due to their repeat violation of the 24h per bump rule in the marketplace section.
Back then, they tried to appeal the ban, finally coped up with it and then promised to stick to the rules from there on.
Right now, they once again bump their marketplace/gambling topic in intervals way below the allowed 24 hours.

Their most recent bumps are (default forum time):

Today at 10:00:11 PM
Today at 12:00:11 PM
Today at 01:00:22 AM
- here they actually waited for 24 hours -
June 10, 2016, 01:00:11 AM
June 09, 2016, 11:00:11 PM

Going a little more back, we get even more bumps with less than 24 hours inbetween:

May 31, 2016, 12:28:45 PM
May 31, 2016, 04:00:23 PM

May 29, 2016, 02:00:21 AM
May 29, 2016, 11:00:10 AM

May 28, 2016, 02:00:09 PM
May 28, 2016, 06:03:17 PM

I could go on, but I think you get my point.
(This thread also serves as a reference when reporting their bumps.)

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