Topic: Betcoin.ag scam - page 4. (Read 789 times)

Uhh I guess I did something wrong, I just got an email from CEG telling me that betcoin isnt licensed by them

What arbitrator can I use?

And how to contact their licensor im super lost on this topic

I used this because they ignore emails now, in the beginning they used to reply fast

This is the first time I use a forum for this, all sportsbook let me withdrew normally after I got limited just after some emails, some took a few months tho like betsson

Some of these sportsbooks: b365, betcris, vbet (same sportbook provider as betcoin), betsson , betsafe, 1xbet, goldenbet, unibet, betwarrior , sports888

Just a small list tbh Im always trying to find new sportsbook that are fine with winning players and so far the only crypto ones that dont limit are: betonline and sportsbetting

And for fiat currency I use brokers

Anyways if theres more ppl looking for legit sportsbook , imo betcoin is the worst one to deal with, only recreational players are welcome in their sportsbooks imo

Should you ask, you will be provided. But yeah, it happened anyway, so there's no point in discussing it any further.


Which casinos are these? And I assume you reached them through live support? Because this should be the first correspondence you have with a casino representative on the forum?

Betcoin's representative whose been in touch with you, Emma, is actually polite, if we may infer from a snippet shown on your screenshot.

All things considered, yes, David is still easily reachable. There are other casino representative on this forum who will blatantly ignore a scam accusation. One even specifically asked me to stop reaching them to ask them to resolve a case...which rather piled up [of which I obliged].

Tbh I had no clue what I was doing, and it looked easier to contact their licensor than an arbitrator. I was looking for help in this thread and the only answer I got was to contact a licensor or mediator, I have no Idea which mediator I could contact and since the licensor is on their webpage I contacted them.

And np I will update with the results



It seems weird for me tbh, I had disputes with other sportsbooks before and they were all friendly when I got limited and I had no problem withdrawing my money this is the first time I get an aggresive answer like this in my years of betting

This is the worst support I have ever seen, even the scam russian pages are more friendly than this

Every pun intended, it sounds like a big gamble, is it not? They let you withdraw, hoping you'll double down by depositing more instead of folding? Predictable move and a sure-bet if you're a gambling addict who will not be satisfied by his losing, but [un]fortunately, you're not, so that's a big IF from their side.


Oo...kay, you certainly know how to escalate things. I was thinking about a mediation by an arbitrator, like AG, before going that far, but as you've raised it to their licensor, betcoin --like other casinos-- will usually focus their resources on that resolution method and refrained from commenting further on any other media, given the decision made by the licensors are final.

As such, they'll usually --and justifiedly-- will not address anything further on this thread.

I hope you can update us with their final decision once it's made, though I am somewhat sure Betcoin.AG will update us if you don't, or --at the very least-- PM me with the result so I can update it on my list and the forum members will eventually learn about it.

I'd like to inform you that resolution time on a licensor is considerably longer than an arbitrator, like weeks. So if you don't get a reply within days, it's completely normal.


Huh?

They require documents to verify things themselves, one that Binance will not ever provide to them. One can't just simply say "I'm verified on this platform, here is link to my profile, you can consider my account on your platform as verified as well, because that platform is better than yours."

But, given you've escalate this to the licensor, it's no longer relevant.


Umm... just to clarify, betcoin actually have one of the cleanest reputation when it comes to dispute. On this forum only, not one even left unattended, and they managed to mark every cases against them as "resolved", which rather impressive. Personally, if I ever want to scam a casino, I will not go with betcoin. They're... scary.


Nope, no idea who Davis is. But, David? Yeah, he's the representative.

And despite his outburst that he showed here, I have to agree with yahoo62278, he's actually easy to deal with. My communication with him on every cases I attended were satisfactory, he gave facts. Plain and simple, yet still friendly.

Well, statistically speaking, I think almost every casino representative here are very well mannered. I guess he [and them] just have a short fuse for people who they're sure abusing their platform, or perhaps some severe allergies.

Nope I never got limited on betcoin I know the rules of bookies and they dont like multiusers so I prefer to try new ones instead of multiaccounting thats why I tried betcoin


Is Davis the representative? His first answer was super aggresive so I find it hard to believe hes easy to deal with o,O

They have already stated they will not comment further on this matter.

I personally have never faced an issue on betcoin. All the support people have answered any question I may have and David has been easy to deal with. I have never tried circumventing limits and made multiple accounts though. Likely the case with you, you got limited or something and thought you would make a new account and be good to go.

Now this is a legal matter and unfortunately we will be unable to comment further. See you all on the other side once we have destroyed this scammer's credibility.

It looks more like they used it as a bait for me to deposit again and they freeroll'd me like how they did. Tbh I think they only let me withdrew because my account was a losing account until the second withdraw, this is a common tactic used by scam websites like 1xbet




I dont think it matters Its just a small % of a prizepool, they are just basically giving cashback to casino players that dont understand how casino games works

Uhh and yeah I contacted their licensor


They can check my personal info and see thats verified just with my p2p profile

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Can the representative explain to me how can someone cheat placing 4 nba player prop bets?

Why would I multi account on a shady page that love to hold peoples money when they beat them on sportsbook?

You do know that they different entities right? How do you propose they compare the KYC in Binance and in Betcoin? I'm pretty sure those type of documents are not just out in the open to be shared. It's between the user and the entity. No one should be comparing with another entity.

OR

Possibly your documents were used on Betcoin already. That just explains why you were tagged as multi-user.

Hmmm... a software engineer with familiarity of basic html formats but needed to look for a guide to post image bbcode and --after given and read the format-- tried another format to see if he can align the image center-wise... ok, sure. Moving on,


It doesn't interest me because I find it quite logical and explainable. They got suspicious with your account between the first withdrawal and the second. Hence, the KYC was only requested by the second withdrawal. Even if it's not the second withdrawal, it's something inevitable. Suppose that they ask for KYC during your 11th withdrawal, the question then will be "why do they ask me on my 11th and not the first ten?" Or if they asked for it right from your first one, the question will be, "they asked KYC for 700 USD withdrawal?"

There is no end to this, don't you agree?


Umm... how do you propose they do it? They emailed Binance and say something like, "hey yo, can you send me the KYC document of this user? I know he's KYC verified on your platform. Yes, we know KYC is a private documents, but if you can show me his, you did me solid. Much gratitude."?


Now you're being rather ridiculous. You're comparing an exchange with a casino? No matter how big the exchange or the casino is, I believe they have different detection and security system. You're comparing an apple to orange.


Betcoin.AG, I will have to agree with this one, to avoid the suspicion of selective scamming, can you please be a bit more precise and add 1,900 to the pool instead of 1,400?

While for OP, I believe betcoin's representative has offered you a solution to get things more binding? Aren't you going to consider to pursue this path?

Im a software engineer so I have no problem learning how to quote and doing horizontal lines just by doing quotes due to those being basic html formats... I added the img/center tags to try to see how it looks when I clic on preview and I gave up after I saw that post that I linked

Theres no reason for me to make a new account to post this stuff, I should be the only peruvian on this forum with crypto/sportsbetting / html knowledge because people in my country are clueless about tech stuff plus it should be easy to verify my ip and see how many peruvians are on this forum with my knowledge o,O


Why isnt it interesting to you that they paied me 700$ and after 16 hours I requested a 1900$ withdrawal and they didn't pay?  How come they dont want to compare their kyc to my binance kycs? Binance made me send a lot of documents and they verify that theres no multiusers and IMO they are a more serious platform than betcoin

IMO betcoin selective scam sportsbook winners , they dont care about winners in casino because they know they will get their money back due to the nature of their negative roi games

[I am quoting the post in whole to give audience a better understanding of what I mean]

This... these are interesting.

Let me start with the thread you read as a guide, I initially suspected that you read that one, but I wanted to be sure. An interesting point worth to mention is that the guide actually only instructed you to copy and paste the link generated by imgbb, the OP failed to mention that he added extra code on his guide, namely,




As you can see, on step three he wrote that all you need is copy, go to your page and paste, and on step four he actually added "center" code, but he didn't write that on his instruction. Yet, you're so clearly managed to copy that exact instruction, as shown by the full code of your original image,


One may assume and argue that you're simply a careful reader, that you look closely to the image provided and realized the missing code. Yet at the same time, if we follow the assumption that you're a careful reader, how could you missed four posts below the one you linked [the one that explains newbie needs to pay], that suggest images to be uploaded through a website that's built by our community member?

This is rather contradictive with the trait of a careful reader. But let's keep that for a moment and go on with the next point.

As posted in full above, you fluently utilize horizontal line and snipping quotes, breaking my post into points to address the points I raised. You learned those format... from my post? Quite a brilliant newbie who is very clueless about the forum's feature that he needs to [thoroughly] read a guide about posting image, isn't it?

Now, if we consider that all of those knowledge are from your other, much older account... well, multi-acc itself is not prohibited by the forum, many users utilize alt-account from time to time when they want to make controversial posts but concerned that it'll backfired and ruined their reputation.

But, for someone who's being accused by a casino for multi-acc, if he's not the wrong party here, that he does not abuse the casino's rule, I think --and most logic dictate-- he'll very much prefer to complaint with his older account, which arguably hold better credibility than a newly created account. Unless... he can't post with his older account for some reason? Say, like, he already have a bad reputation with that older account?

Food for thought.

Yea adding 5% to the prizepool doenst affect a casino at all, most of casino online games have a roi of -8% so its like whatever for them

I think the representative just wanted to mock me

There was already a $25,000 prize pool, which people are highly interested in. The extra $1400 is just the icing on the cake. It will be distributed by random drawing among the players who who already receiving leaderboard prizes and we will post the payouts on our thread for transparency.

This thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55775634

Cant the admin on this forum check which threads I checked before I made my thread? I find it amusing that the betcoing representative think im not new because I read a post before doing my thread, cant the admin come and check this ?


They are holding 19LTC from me which was around 1900$ when I tried to withdraw, its not 1400$. The picture of 1400$ is When I made my first withdraw:

On April 2nd I hit 1400$ which is the picture

After that I withdrew 700$ (my balance was 700$ now )

I place 3 bets with 700$ , I ran out of money so I deposited 500$ more and make 1 more bet

At the end of the day I win 3/4 bets and my account hits 1900$~ I wanted to exchange it so I withdrew all before depositing again and my account gets disabled

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They are giving 1400$ back with leaderboards meaning people are forced to play a lot to get them, all casinos games have a negative return on investment so I dont think this affects them at all.

That is certainly valid and there is definitely still useful information coming from this board. We have been huge proponents of bitcoin since the beginning and absolutely love being a part of this community. We appreciate the legitimate attempts of many users on this board to point out scams in the industry. And we certainly appreciate the hard work you, @holydarkness have put into your list. Our issue is not with you guys.

Obviously we have some frustration, when we see many claims (the majority?) against other casino/sportsbooks being from abusive players. We aren't able to share this information publicly, but many of the people making false accusations against other sportsbooks have also abused ours. So as an sportsbook, who pays the most attention to the claims against sportsbooks, our view can be a little pessimistic.

We are so passionate about this industry and community, and false claims prevent both from growing. We much prefer to spread joy. This is why some of the larger operators aren't around this board any more. All these false claims make it hard to do that.

We always appreciate the critical thinking ability of @holydarkness and the majority of members of this community

Hmm... quite interesting answer. Which guide is it that you read? If you don't mind me ask further.


Umm... why would they selectively scammed you if the same amount that's being denied from you were generously given back to their gamblers?

In a sense, they're making a point. They can't provide their findings here due to security and privacy concern. Thus, they take a long way around this by making a statement, as above.

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Regarding this part, as I've been walking around this section for a while, may I offers another perspective: that it still do its job to look out for the community?

One [bad] user from another thread accused me of being in favor of casinos instead of the community because I gave benefits of doubts to casinos, seemingly oblivious that --as I explained to them-- casinos' accounts here are also part of the community. This board doesn't necessarily shift from the previous "role" where it's more to cater people coming to warn others with findings of questionable projects and their proof to [for a lack of better words] a "tribunal" to extort sportsbook.

On the contrary, so far, from time to time, it proves as a good tools for casino to invalidate an accusation, helps thwart malicious attempts toward casinos, be it extortion or smear campaigns, where the overseers [and the casinos themselves] provide proofs that invalidate the accusation.

Further, from my own perspective and opinion, these scam accusations on this board actually works as a testament of the casinos' reputation. I observed that big casinos and those that provide appealing promos are the ones that most targeted by malicious actors, and their swift response proves their trustworthiness. I mean, I'd like to think that one glance at my list will give players [and future players] an idea of how good certain casinos at handling problems, and allows them to make a decision to stick with one casino instead of others.

And that list is built from these... cases.

What an aggresive and unprofesional answer lol

I think you are selective scaming people.

U are holding 1.9k$ of my money btw

binances kyc is mile ahead from ur kyc and u can check that all my info matches with my betcoin info

I read a lot of disputes from ur site here and when i withdrew my first 7 ltc I thought you guys were legit but theres no reason for you guys to pay my first withdrawl then deny my second withdraw of 19 ltc

This guys is mocking me for being scammed

Is there anything else to do on this community?

I hope people can notice that your answer makes no sense at all, this is the worst answer I got from any sportsbook since I started placing bets like 8 years ago

Of course he's not new here. Why would we say someone is an abusive multi-accounter, if they aren't? What do we gain from withholding $1400? We have been in business for 11 years and payout thousands of times that amount every week.

There is never any benefit on our end from withholding funds. We have no interest in spending more time and money dealing with bogus accusations from abusive players. Every single one of them ends up being proven false. The Scam Accusation board was created to look out for the community, and it has become a tool for extortion. Which is why many of the top sportsbooks don't even reply to these any more. If you know who Betcoin is, you know that we are trustworthy. You also know that we don't take kindly to scammer, cheating, multi-accounting abusers. So if you are one of these, stay away and you won't have to worry. We take no pleasure in these situations. We don't want your action. We don't want your money.

To thank this community for its continued support, we will be adding the money seized from this cheater to the Betcoin Leaderboard Treasures promo week 2, starting this Monday.
https://www.betcoin.ag/promos/leaderboard-treasures

The extra $1400 will be split up among the 3 real money leaderboards
Betcoin Race to the Top - $5,000 + $800
Betcoin Casino ROI - $2,000 + $300
Betcoin Sports ROI - $2,000 + $300

As always, we appreciate this community and your ability to determine what is an actual scam. We would love to post here about all the cheaters who come to Betcoin, but there is only 24 hours in a day. As always, any player with a dispute is able to contact our licensor or contact a 3rd party mediator for binding resolution. We have never lost a mediation and have never withheld winnings, without 100% provable evidence of abuse.

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Payouts average 15 minutes, regardless of the amount. Our reputation speaks for itself, and there is simply no reason why we would ever withhold a payout to the 99.9% of players, which are legitimate, as we are doing just fine.