Topic: Betcoin.ag scam (Read 783 times)

You are the one that got caught lying on this thread

-I lost one mediation by a licensor that cant see the difference between a bitcoin wallet and a litecoin wallet

-I have shown my transactions that I never used betcoin on October 2023 but the licensor/representative never gave me any evidence that I did

-The representive lied by saying that my account had USDT transactions available, when I shown evidence he refused to give an answer

-Be careful by using betcoin.ag as you can see in my thread their licensor will make "typos" and ignore your emails.

Imagine being so guilty that the only thing you can dwell on is a typo, to try and misdirect from everything else that has happened. You have been caught lying in this thread multiple times. You lost multiple mediation attempts. Lock this thread. It's over.

the mediator didnt even look at your proof lol

the licensor mentioned that I used the same "bitcoin" wallet when I have shown evidence that my betcoin account had only litecoin transactions. This is a big mistake on their part and it shows that they are not serious at all

I guess 19 ltc is the price to learn how GC operates

scam
noun
a dishonest scheme; a fraud.

That is what you tried to do to us, by fraudulently pretending to be a different person when you created the 2nd account. This was proven when 2 different mediators rejected your case. All we did was enforce the rules you agreed to when you signed up.

I chose betcoin because of the nba props offered by your sportbook



You scammed the winnings of the first guy , the only difference is that you scammed all my funds

Selective scam clients is basically how betcoin works

Both of those cases resulted in the players receiving payment. Is that why you chose Betcoin? Figured you could just make an accusation and get paid, through extortion? Think about what we know that made your case different from theirs. We recommend that you not try this again.

Its not about the amount tho, one recreational player can win 100k$ by luck in the sportsbook and you should keep them if he won doing -ev stuff like placing underdog accas on high liquit markets



Idk it seems like it happened before o,O just by looking at the threads:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62437358

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-betcoinag-scamming-15k-including-deposit-scammed-5439834


Books can work 10+ years and still selective scam people like 1xbet tbh and nothing will change

You think maybe that would've come out at some point during the 11 years we have been in business? Imagine out of the 600,000+ players we have had, if we held the funds of everyone who won $1400. Think about how ridiculous that sounds. We have plenty of people winning plenty of money, that can do it without cheating. We are one of the highest rated and most transparent sportsbooks, across the board. We are also one of the best at catching cheaters. Do not return or you will not like the result.

As I showed my wallet transactions I never used betcoin on October 2023, I never go back to books that I have been limited thats why I tried betcoin in the first place. If I were multi accounting I would stay with the same books lol




Soft books dont like winning players so they limit good players, actually I would be more concerned if all books take my action that means im actually bad at placing bets



I highly doubt you have any sharp as your client, If someone beats you, you would accuse of cheating and hold their funds

Most of your playerbase should be recreational gamblers that just play for fun

Limiting winning players is fine imo and part of the game, I understand the industry and books dont like to lose but holding funds is something else

We had no issue paying you out on your first account. That's why you came back, of course, and that's why we have to be firm on the additional ones. If I were you, I'd be less concerned everyone refusing your illegitimate mediation attempts, and more concerned about no one taking your action. Everyone is well aware of you now, largely in part to your own theatrics. Betcoin has more satisfied users each day, many of who win without having to cheat and are paid immediately. Just like the first withdrawal on the 2nd account, which you snuck by us. That, for sure, will not happen again.

If they know what they are looking at why would they say that I used the same "bitcoin wallet" when my thread shows that my betcoin account only used litecoin


Yeah because I thought they would be fair, the interaction with them was weird when I asked them what was going on because I didnt fill their form yet I got a reply by them asking to fill my form so they can contact betcoin and after 5 minutes I got the final email that I showed you

It is what it is I guess, I hope this thread can help other people IMO their book only aims to keep recreational players and If they think you are beating them they will use some random excuse to hold your money



As a winning player its commong being limited by soft books when you are constant at beating the closing line value

I had like 7% roi on regular nba props this season, the only books that dont limit winning players are pinnacle and exchanges (Im not sure if I should add betonline/sportsbetting to this list yet , I have been using them for months now withouth being limited but maybe in the future they will limit me, but if they dont limit me after a few years then they are great too)

Kinda beating a dead horse here, the verdict has been made, and you've agreed that the dispute resolution made by the third party is final and bindings. Much that people [probably] desire a different outcome, the verdict has been made and both parties has to honor the decision.

I don't think GC don't have any clue at what they're looking at, I'll say it's safe to say that they've had experience with thousands of cases like this.

Interesting thing though, you're limited on other casino for... what reason?

Im suprised by GC's answer tbh

They said Betcoin linked me to another account that was limited by their sportsbook provider for placing bets using banned technology on October 2023. They said I used the same ip/device and the same BITCOIN wallet
to fund the accounts

This is actually imposible. Im new to the crypto world and I only used Binance as my wallet for all my crypto sportsbooks

On October 2023 I only have transactions in my binance account to stake and sportsbetting/betonline wallets:

https://ibb.co/Dfvcp2V

And you can see in this thread that I only used LTC on my betcoin account, I stopped using bitcoin due to altcoins having less fees and their transaction are fasters

I read about Betcoin in  late January / early February 2024, I looked them at first then I finally signed up on March due to being limited on other sportsbook so I was going to try it to see if they are legit

heres my betcoin deposits:

https://ibb.co/KrLZ6MH




The fact that GC said "bitcoin" wallet makes me think that they have no clue at what they are looking at and I believe I got scammed by betcoin. I find it impossible to belive that my same IP/device was used on another account

Is there anything else I can show as a proof that I never used betcoin before this year?

OP, though I always welcome PMs and open my inbox to discuss private matters, a request for helps and opinion, a notification for an ongoing case, or simple casual chats about life, and since I strive to keep what [and who] arrives to my inbox, I am highly encouraging you to share what you shared to me privately here, so others can see it themselves and give their opinion. At least the very last one.

In regards to your last PM, I am moving my reply here for public consumption instead of privately as this part forward will be the conclusive part of your case.

Without being specific, to honor the private nature of PM, and without revealing word-by-word of the answer you get from them, I'll have to say that the verdict is final. When you and Betcoin moves your case to an arbitrator [and further escalated to the licensor] you both agrees that it'll be the one and only verdict you both will honor.

Suppose the licensor said otherwise, I believe AG will also comply to it, be it willingly or not.

You are free to share the answer you got from GC here or to keep it yourself. But as I've read their findings, in case you choose to keep it privately, I hope my statement holds some water to people overseeing this thread that this case can be marked as resolved by the ruling of licensor.

Yes, I can confirm that I've received both of your screenshots proving that you both are telling the truth. That two doesn't necessarily mutually exclusive. Both can happen and both can still be true at the same time.

To make it clear from what I can infer from both evidences, OP, you sent an email to GC, and GC replied to you, asking you to fill the form and other requirement they stated on their reply, while at the same time also wrote to betcoin, to let them know there is a case against them and to give them a chance to prove themselves while waiting for you to provide the information from your side.

I'll boldly assume they asked for this on just-in-case basis, they'll need those data to cross-check them [the documents you provided] with betcoin's explanation, to see if betcoin tell the truth or they found something is amiss with betcoin's explanation, of which they'll then use your information to get to the bottom of the case.

From what I know, licensor's procedure from an end-user perspective goes: a user raises dispute, they describe the situation and provide supporting evidences, and the licensor will investigate things themselves, asked as many rebuttal from the casino as they deemed necessary.

They're not going to have an investigation like AG or CG where things are kept for public consumption. They read the situation in private, they asked for proof if necessary, and when they get what they needed, they pass their judgment.

Given they no longer require your data [I infer correctly that you haven't send them up to this day?] it opens to a possibility that they find betcoin's explanation to be reasonable and betcoin's supporting evidence is indisputable. Otherwise, I believe, GC will send you an email, demanding those data.

Yes, that's when they sent it and when we replied. 11 Apr. Glad we are all on the same page here. We hope your job hunt is going well, now that your scamming days are over. Cheers

I sent proof to @holydarkness that they said that they will contact their Licensee after I fill their form on April 11

I highly doubt they would have said that, as it is false, and we sent proof that they contacted us to @holydarkness. We replied to them the same day.

When your job is to advocate for legitimate players, most mediators find it irritating to have to waste any time on obviously abusive players. This matter is closed.

No , I never got limited on betcoin


Thats weird, they told me they didn't contact their Licensee yet

Did they already make a decision withouth me filling a detailed form lol, why should they ask me to fill their form if they already contacted you o,O this is super weird imo

We received an inquiry from the licensor about 10 days ago and promptly replied with evidence of multiple violations of terms of service. This matter should be considered closed.

This case got real strange. David is going to make the decision and the OP complains to AG about David’s actions rather than the money he’s claiming to be owed. Of course that case isn’t going anywhere.

OP- are your bets limit bets on props?

I contacted GC

As I've explained to you on PM when you reached to me, their refusal is most likely due to how you wording your case to them, which sounds like you asked them to mediate them to fire Betcoin's "rude" representative, of which --as I explained-- clearly outside their scope and capacity, not because they don't want to mediate your case per se.

AG's staff suggested you to reach to their licensor. I assumed your silence for these long is because you're currently attempting to reach GC, that's why I refrained from explaining the situation to Peeps Place when he inquired an update.

Given your answer above, you're not reaching GC?

AG refused to mediate

Any updates on this case?

Yea I submited it and they said it can take up to 96 hours to process

Betcoin has never lost a case in arbitration. David is really a good guy that's in contact with other books to help the industry as a whole. I'll keep an eye on the case at AG when it goes up.

@holydarkness, I and am sure all, really appreciate your comprehensive thoughts and time that you put in with the scam accusations.

That's strange, I can see it on my account just fine. I even take a look into their deposit guide and it listed USDT on their list. Though those facts are rather futile, Betcoin.AG has proven the availability of USDT through an even more concrete way, by Blockchain transaction on their platform.

Anyway, how's that complaint on AG? I still can't see it. Have you submitted it?

Yea I had 19 LTC at the end and I wanted to withdraw it and have my money on usdt.
If I see another nba prop that I liked on betcoin, I would exchange a bit to ltc again and play there. Most of my bets are around 100-600$ so I would only exchange to ltc if needed

My first withdraw was pretty fast so I assumed I could withdraw everytime I had too much ltc

The fact I couldnt place bets with a stable coin made betcoin for me as my last option to place a bet

On a good night I can place  20 nba props but the max bets I had on betcoin on a single night was around 5



 https://ibb.co/Pm9Lcrs

BUSD is listed, USDT isnt listed

I asked the chat only about BUSD because it was on my list of currencies available

I assumed USDT wasnt available because I dont see it there, but the representative just told me it has always been available but he cant tell me why my account didn't have it listed

You said that Betcoin didn't have USDT but you tried to exchange it to USDT?

You also said you asked chat about BUSD because it wasn't listed. Why didn't you ask about USDT if it wasn't listed?

I'm not taking a side on this case right now but I'm trying to figure some things out that don't make sense to me.

That's actually... not the point I asked, whether you're like or dislike web design. The point I wondered was that people tends to instinctively look for more info at the bottom of a web's page, as that's where usually web designer and companies put their technical info. Working on and studying the field of coding should logically bring you, even if that's the a smallest degree of it, familiarity with web design, which means you should have more tendency to look to this part. And demonstrably, I assume, you look for betcoin's master license info at the bottom of their page, yet you somehow failed to look into GC's page and go straight to google once you can't click a button.

Might be irrelevant to your situation, pure curiosity.

I dislike web design and I tend to google everything

thats how I discovered this forum https://ibb.co/5KVjJ5N

OP, I'm curious about one thing, that I took to bed last night and still can't figure it out. You said you're a software engineer who are familiar with basic html formats, it wouldn't too far fetched to assume you're quite familiar with web design too, yet it didn't cross your mind to try to look at the bottom of GC's page to find their contact? You just click one button and, "oh, ok, it didn't work. Let me google their contact."

I believe I am as good as blind when it comes to coding and web design, yet that's one of the first place I come [me, a "muggle" on the world of coding] whenever I try to find the website's contact.

How? Why? So many questions.

A screenshot should still work as evidence that you guys didnt have USDT

But it seems like this webpage cant accept a loss


This guy knows my account is disabled so I cant log on to check my account so he wanted an easy win bet but he dindt know that I had a screenshot to show as evidence

And even if I had a chatlog he would still reply something like this:





How is this guy supposed to be easy to deal with

We only provide technical support to players who aren't permanently banned.

I did so I can google their charts to see what stable coin was in that list, and the only one was BUSD thats why I ask on the next day about BUSD ....

Can you please tell me why I didnt have USDT on that list?

Or are you gonna avoid that question again

Perhaps you are lying again. Or maybe it's just one of life's mysteries. Like why you would take a screenshot of your deposit options on 11 Mar.

Why wasnt it appearing on my deposit options tho Why would I ask for BUSD in your chat if i dindt want to use a stable coin

The screenshot is from 11 Mar and Im tired of looking at my balance going up/down withouth me placing bets thats why I ask for BUSD on 12 Mar tbh

There are multiple transactions on the blockchain to our hot wallet on that day. Is the blockchain lying too?

Also, are we going from 1 week

To an exact moment

Also, no one ever told you we don't have USDT because we have always had it. That was the deal. I said if you can show us that we said we didn't have USDT, then you will get the balance back. Obviously I said that knowing you were lying, so there would be no chance of you receiving it.

You are one of the worst pathological liars I have ever come across. You just continue to change your story every time you get caught. Seek help. You have much bigger issues than 14 LTC.

How come it doenst appear on my screenshot that I took on 11 Mar at 4pm GMT -5

Can you please stop lying and give me my balance as promised

Agreed. We have never accepted BUSD, though it is coming soon for people who aren't banned!



I see you asked about BUSD on 12 Mar. Looks like USDT was working just fine that day, and every other day
https://etherscan.io/address/0x7C1e0c73acc8EF0cfF40992b1fbF63A9aF5c1A5F#tokentxns

BUSD disabled confirmed by his chat

https://ibb.co/Pm9Lcrs , USDT disabled confirmed by the list of currencies availables at the moment of the screenshot


I hope people can notice that you guys are a scam webpage with the worst possible customer service

you didnt even know that you had USDT disabled for atleast a week

You will never see a penny from us, scammer. Have fun getting destroyed in arbitration.

I just sent u a screen shot ( https://ibb.co/Pm9Lcrs ) that theres no USDT in the list of deposit options

?

Can you now let me have my balance within 24 hours or did you scam again

I do see you asking about BUSD. That is not relevant at all to what we are talking about (USDT). Betcoin has had USDT for years. This is quite a hole you are digging for yourself.

heres a screenshot : https://ibb.co/Pm9Lcrs , I took it because I found it weird that you guys didnt have usdt

from that list what looked the most stable one for me was litecoin so I used litecoin

and on ur chatlog it should appear about me asking about the BUSD because I see it there but the chat told me it was disabled

Can I get my 19 LTC asap now? Or is this another scam?

Show me a chat where we said we don't have USDT and I will send you your account balance within 24 hours

how is that a lie you guys disabled the usdt/busd deposit I even had a chat with your support asking for a stable crypto , they told me they dindt have one so I used LTC

can you read the chatlogs

all my deposits /withdraw from betcoin where with litecoin

but I can proove that all my stake deposits/withdraws where with USDT

so you guys are linking different people due to binance

I just noticed the chico poker network is betonline/sportsbetting.ag which I admited before that I used them and yes I used LTC with them with big transations (they dont limit, insta payout and they have a friendly customer service unlike betcoin) but I can guarantee that I never used LTC on stake and the I have no clue about the other webpages

More lies. What an embarrassment

Whats interesitng on the graph is that idk the rest of sportsbook but i can guarantee that I never used LTC on stake because they allow USDT. Theres no point for me to use an unstable crypto when I can choose USDT to play with

Uhh okay tbh im new to crypto so im a bit lost here, can some1 confirm that addresses on exchanges are pooled together

I never knew the other sportsbook mentioned on that list so im confused here plus when I look for the litecoin address that I used multiple transaction appears that dont matches with my binance app history

Oops... OP, it'll be a very nice opportunity for me to put a disclaimer, lest you lose and proven to be abusing betcoin, then you come and say it's all my fault because I instructed you to go with AG.

That arbitrator above is my mere suggestion. You were asking and I am simply providing one that will handle sportsbet related issue. I am not encouraging or forcing you to take them. Do your own research and weight everything prior to deciding which to take.

As betcoin said, they will take one mediation, and once a ruling is made by that arbitrator, whatever it is, that's it.

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p.s.: OP, got your PM, thanks.

Do you realize that we said address, not wallet. I just want everyone to see that even though this guy has been caught lying multiple times in this thread, he is still going to waste ours and an mediator's time and money by taking this to arbitration. An arbitration which he has 0 chance of winning.

So when people ask why our improvements are coming along slowly or why we are doing more KYC on people, it is because people like this ruin the fun for everyone. Why would we put ourselves through this over a nominal amount of money (which we are giving away anyhow) if there was any chance we would lose?

We've already spent too much time on this cheater. We will gladly show proof to an arbitrator or our licensor when needed. @murkyz, choose a good one, because once you lose the first one, we are done.

Hmm?



And you decided to google, perhaps, "Gaming Curacao contact", and [though our result will likely differ, but I believe the order will more or less the same, given the keyword matches] you choose to click on one that clearly have different name?



Anyway, just to satisfy my curiosity and stave off any doubt, do you mind to provide that email from CEG?


You're sportsbet related, so I think AskGamblers will fit better. To avoid any confusion and misaddress, this is AskGamblers: https://www.askgamblers.com/

https://ibb.co/T4rGxSQ

that gaming curacao link has a broken button on "contact us" so I ended up googling (?) . The email says its confidental but I guess i can show u a part on a private message

Anyways which arbitrator can I use

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Do you realize that I used binance and they dont have a different wallet for each costumer?

You should put on your ToS that exchange wallets are forbidden



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Oh wow, what a lucky coincidence, is it not? Do you mind to show us the email sent by CEG saying that? It's quite an interesting mistake, given you said that you reached their licensor because that info is available on their page, so you should see GC, mostly on their footer, the seal of validation one, as shown below,



I wonder what make you lost so far on CEG's complaint site, they have a very different logo, especially as that seal of validation is the one that tipped you off what licensor they're under.

What an interesting lie, because I just looked up your crypto address and got this

The only reason that I tried betcoin is because im limited on other sportsbook if I were multi accounting on other sportsbook why would I need to use another website im lost

What dumb reasoning is this to remove the suspicion of having a multiple account? Making another deposit again means you are successful on what you are doing and you want to try more to get more profit while the casino still doesn’t caught you.

This is my first time to see a scam accusation against Betcoin after their previous long time scam accusation that got resolved after few years of debate.

There’s a lot of multiple account scam accusations lately here in the forum. It seems like these users is using some betting method to take advantage to the casino.  

I thought betonline and sportsbetting.ag counted as crypto books because I only use them with crypto and had no problems , good limits / great support / and they dont reject people that have an edge on their sportsboook

the only other crypto sportbook that I used was stake but I got limited after 2 weeks and I had no problems withdrawing thats all after those 3 I tried betcoin and this happened ( the rest of crypto sportsbook that I saw dont offer nba props which is the market that i have my biggest edge and wiht highest limits )

I dont work with a team , why do you like to make up stuff?

You can just say that you dont like players that are constant to beat  the books and you only love recreational players that have no clue on what they are doing

Anyone in a permitted region can click the license validator on our website and see that our license is fully valid. Where did you get that email address? You can check our terms of service for the correct email.
https://support.betcoin.ag/hc/en-us/articles/15904960262811-Terms-of-Service
While you are there, read the part about multi-accounting and syndicate play. I notice you conveniently didn't name any Bitcoin books from this forum when you listed where you had played. I wonder why. Don't want people to be able to connect your previous dispute? Don't want to call attention to yourself among the other Bitcoin books who read this page? Not to worry, everyone is well aware of your team and what you are doing. Have fun finding a new career.

Uhh I guess I did something wrong, I just got an email from CEG telling me that betcoin isnt licensed by them

What arbitrator can I use?

And how to contact their licensor im super lost on this topic

I used this because they ignore emails now, in the beginning they used to reply fast

This is the first time I use a forum for this, all sportsbook let me withdrew normally after I got limited just after some emails, some took a few months tho like betsson

Some of these sportsbooks: b365, betcris, vbet (same sportbook provider as betcoin), betsson , betsafe, 1xbet, goldenbet, unibet, betwarrior , sports888

Just a small list tbh Im always trying to find new sportsbook that are fine with winning players and so far the only crypto ones that dont limit are: betonline and sportsbetting

And for fiat currency I use brokers

Anyways if theres more ppl looking for legit sportsbook , imo betcoin is the worst one to deal with, only recreational players are welcome in their sportsbooks imo

Should you ask, you will be provided. But yeah, it happened anyway, so there's no point in discussing it any further.


Which casinos are these? And I assume you reached them through live support? Because this should be the first correspondence you have with a casino representative on the forum?

Betcoin's representative whose been in touch with you, Emma, is actually polite, if we may infer from a snippet shown on your screenshot.

All things considered, yes, David is still easily reachable. There are other casino representative on this forum who will blatantly ignore a scam accusation. One even specifically asked me to stop reaching them to ask them to resolve a case...which rather piled up [of which I obliged].

Tbh I had no clue what I was doing, and it looked easier to contact their licensor than an arbitrator. I was looking for help in this thread and the only answer I got was to contact a licensor or mediator, I have no Idea which mediator I could contact and since the licensor is on their webpage I contacted them.

And np I will update with the results



It seems weird for me tbh, I had disputes with other sportsbooks before and they were all friendly when I got limited and I had no problem withdrawing my money this is the first time I get an aggresive answer like this in my years of betting

This is the worst support I have ever seen, even the scam russian pages are more friendly than this

Every pun intended, it sounds like a big gamble, is it not? They let you withdraw, hoping you'll double down by depositing more instead of folding? Predictable move and a sure-bet if you're a gambling addict who will not be satisfied by his losing, but [un]fortunately, you're not, so that's a big IF from their side.


Oo...kay, you certainly know how to escalate things. I was thinking about a mediation by an arbitrator, like AG, before going that far, but as you've raised it to their licensor, betcoin --like other casinos-- will usually focus their resources on that resolution method and refrained from commenting further on any other media, given the decision made by the licensors are final.

As such, they'll usually --and justifiedly-- will not address anything further on this thread.

I hope you can update us with their final decision once it's made, though I am somewhat sure Betcoin.AG will update us if you don't, or --at the very least-- PM me with the result so I can update it on my list and the forum members will eventually learn about it.

I'd like to inform you that resolution time on a licensor is considerably longer than an arbitrator, like weeks. So if you don't get a reply within days, it's completely normal.


Huh?

They require documents to verify things themselves, one that Binance will not ever provide to them. One can't just simply say "I'm verified on this platform, here is link to my profile, you can consider my account on your platform as verified as well, because that platform is better than yours."

But, given you've escalate this to the licensor, it's no longer relevant.


Umm... just to clarify, betcoin actually have one of the cleanest reputation when it comes to dispute. On this forum only, not one even left unattended, and they managed to mark every cases against them as "resolved", which rather impressive. Personally, if I ever want to scam a casino, I will not go with betcoin. They're... scary.


Nope, no idea who Davis is. But, David? Yeah, he's the representative.

And despite his outburst that he showed here, I have to agree with yahoo62278, he's actually easy to deal with. My communication with him on every cases I attended were satisfactory, he gave facts. Plain and simple, yet still friendly.

Well, statistically speaking, I think almost every casino representative here are very well mannered. I guess he [and them] just have a short fuse for people who they're sure abusing their platform, or perhaps some severe allergies.

Nope I never got limited on betcoin I know the rules of bookies and they dont like multiusers so I prefer to try new ones instead of multiaccounting thats why I tried betcoin


Is Davis the representative? His first answer was super aggresive so I find it hard to believe hes easy to deal with o,O

They have already stated they will not comment further on this matter.

I personally have never faced an issue on betcoin. All the support people have answered any question I may have and David has been easy to deal with. I have never tried circumventing limits and made multiple accounts though. Likely the case with you, you got limited or something and thought you would make a new account and be good to go.

Now this is a legal matter and unfortunately we will be unable to comment further. See you all on the other side once we have destroyed this scammer's credibility.

It looks more like they used it as a bait for me to deposit again and they freeroll'd me like how they did. Tbh I think they only let me withdrew because my account was a losing account until the second withdraw, this is a common tactic used by scam websites like 1xbet




I dont think it matters Its just a small % of a prizepool, they are just basically giving cashback to casino players that dont understand how casino games works

Uhh and yeah I contacted their licensor


They can check my personal info and see thats verified just with my p2p profile

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Can the representative explain to me how can someone cheat placing 4 nba player prop bets?

Why would I multi account on a shady page that love to hold peoples money when they beat them on sportsbook?

You do know that they different entities right? How do you propose they compare the KYC in Binance and in Betcoin? I'm pretty sure those type of documents are not just out in the open to be shared. It's between the user and the entity. No one should be comparing with another entity.

OR

Possibly your documents were used on Betcoin already. That just explains why you were tagged as multi-user.

Hmmm... a software engineer with familiarity of basic html formats but needed to look for a guide to post image bbcode and --after given and read the format-- tried another format to see if he can align the image center-wise... ok, sure. Moving on,


It doesn't interest me because I find it quite logical and explainable. They got suspicious with your account between the first withdrawal and the second. Hence, the KYC was only requested by the second withdrawal. Even if it's not the second withdrawal, it's something inevitable. Suppose that they ask for KYC during your 11th withdrawal, the question then will be "why do they ask me on my 11th and not the first ten?" Or if they asked for it right from your first one, the question will be, "they asked KYC for 700 USD withdrawal?"

There is no end to this, don't you agree?


Umm... how do you propose they do it? They emailed Binance and say something like, "hey yo, can you send me the KYC document of this user? I know he's KYC verified on your platform. Yes, we know KYC is a private documents, but if you can show me his, you did me solid. Much gratitude."?


Now you're being rather ridiculous. You're comparing an exchange with a casino? No matter how big the exchange or the casino is, I believe they have different detection and security system. You're comparing an apple to orange.


Betcoin.AG, I will have to agree with this one, to avoid the suspicion of selective scamming, can you please be a bit more precise and add 1,900 to the pool instead of 1,400?

While for OP, I believe betcoin's representative has offered you a solution to get things more binding? Aren't you going to consider to pursue this path?

Im a software engineer so I have no problem learning how to quote and doing horizontal lines just by doing quotes due to those being basic html formats... I added the img/center tags to try to see how it looks when I clic on preview and I gave up after I saw that post that I linked

Theres no reason for me to make a new account to post this stuff, I should be the only peruvian on this forum with crypto/sportsbetting / html knowledge because people in my country are clueless about tech stuff plus it should be easy to verify my ip and see how many peruvians are on this forum with my knowledge o,O


Why isnt it interesting to you that they paied me 700$ and after 16 hours I requested a 1900$ withdrawal and they didn't pay?  How come they dont want to compare their kyc to my binance kycs? Binance made me send a lot of documents and they verify that theres no multiusers and IMO they are a more serious platform than betcoin

IMO betcoin selective scam sportsbook winners , they dont care about winners in casino because they know they will get their money back due to the nature of their negative roi games

[I am quoting the post in whole to give audience a better understanding of what I mean]

This... these are interesting.

Let me start with the thread you read as a guide, I initially suspected that you read that one, but I wanted to be sure. An interesting point worth to mention is that the guide actually only instructed you to copy and paste the link generated by imgbb, the OP failed to mention that he added extra code on his guide, namely,




As you can see, on step three he wrote that all you need is copy, go to your page and paste, and on step four he actually added "center" code, but he didn't write that on his instruction. Yet, you're so clearly managed to copy that exact instruction, as shown by the full code of your original image,


One may assume and argue that you're simply a careful reader, that you look closely to the image provided and realized the missing code. Yet at the same time, if we follow the assumption that you're a careful reader, how could you missed four posts below the one you linked [the one that explains newbie needs to pay], that suggest images to be uploaded through a website that's built by our community member?

This is rather contradictive with the trait of a careful reader. But let's keep that for a moment and go on with the next point.

As posted in full above, you fluently utilize horizontal line and snipping quotes, breaking my post into points to address the points I raised. You learned those format... from my post? Quite a brilliant newbie who is very clueless about the forum's feature that he needs to [thoroughly] read a guide about posting image, isn't it?

Now, if we consider that all of those knowledge are from your other, much older account... well, multi-acc itself is not prohibited by the forum, many users utilize alt-account from time to time when they want to make controversial posts but concerned that it'll backfired and ruined their reputation.

But, for someone who's being accused by a casino for multi-acc, if he's not the wrong party here, that he does not abuse the casino's rule, I think --and most logic dictate-- he'll very much prefer to complaint with his older account, which arguably hold better credibility than a newly created account. Unless... he can't post with his older account for some reason? Say, like, he already have a bad reputation with that older account?

Food for thought.

Yea adding 5% to the prizepool doenst affect a casino at all, most of casino online games have a roi of -8% so its like whatever for them

I think the representative just wanted to mock me

There was already a $25,000 prize pool, which people are highly interested in. The extra $1400 is just the icing on the cake. It will be distributed by random drawing among the players who who already receiving leaderboard prizes and we will post the payouts on our thread for transparency.

This thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55775634

Cant the admin on this forum check which threads I checked before I made my thread? I find it amusing that the betcoing representative think im not new because I read a post before doing my thread, cant the admin come and check this ?


They are holding 19LTC from me which was around 1900$ when I tried to withdraw, its not 1400$. The picture of 1400$ is When I made my first withdraw:

On April 2nd I hit 1400$ which is the picture

After that I withdrew 700$ (my balance was 700$ now )

I place 3 bets with 700$ , I ran out of money so I deposited 500$ more and make 1 more bet

At the end of the day I win 3/4 bets and my account hits 1900$~ I wanted to exchange it so I withdrew all before depositing again and my account gets disabled

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They are giving 1400$ back with leaderboards meaning people are forced to play a lot to get them, all casinos games have a negative return on investment so I dont think this affects them at all.

That is certainly valid and there is definitely still useful information coming from this board. We have been huge proponents of bitcoin since the beginning and absolutely love being a part of this community. We appreciate the legitimate attempts of many users on this board to point out scams in the industry. And we certainly appreciate the hard work you, @holydarkness have put into your list. Our issue is not with you guys.

Obviously we have some frustration, when we see many claims (the majority?) against other casino/sportsbooks being from abusive players. We aren't able to share this information publicly, but many of the people making false accusations against other sportsbooks have also abused ours. So as an sportsbook, who pays the most attention to the claims against sportsbooks, our view can be a little pessimistic.

We are so passionate about this industry and community, and false claims prevent both from growing. We much prefer to spread joy. This is why some of the larger operators aren't around this board any more. All these false claims make it hard to do that.

We always appreciate the critical thinking ability of @holydarkness and the majority of members of this community

Hmm... quite interesting answer. Which guide is it that you read? If you don't mind me ask further.


Umm... why would they selectively scammed you if the same amount that's being denied from you were generously given back to their gamblers?

In a sense, they're making a point. They can't provide their findings here due to security and privacy concern. Thus, they take a long way around this by making a statement, as above.

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Regarding this part, as I've been walking around this section for a while, may I offers another perspective: that it still do its job to look out for the community?

One [bad] user from another thread accused me of being in favor of casinos instead of the community because I gave benefits of doubts to casinos, seemingly oblivious that --as I explained to them-- casinos' accounts here are also part of the community. This board doesn't necessarily shift from the previous "role" where it's more to cater people coming to warn others with findings of questionable projects and their proof to [for a lack of better words] a "tribunal" to extort sportsbook.

On the contrary, so far, from time to time, it proves as a good tools for casino to invalidate an accusation, helps thwart malicious attempts toward casinos, be it extortion or smear campaigns, where the overseers [and the casinos themselves] provide proofs that invalidate the accusation.

Further, from my own perspective and opinion, these scam accusations on this board actually works as a testament of the casinos' reputation. I observed that big casinos and those that provide appealing promos are the ones that most targeted by malicious actors, and their swift response proves their trustworthiness. I mean, I'd like to think that one glance at my list will give players [and future players] an idea of how good certain casinos at handling problems, and allows them to make a decision to stick with one casino instead of others.

And that list is built from these... cases.

What an aggresive and unprofesional answer lol

I think you are selective scaming people.

U are holding 1.9k$ of my money btw

binances kyc is mile ahead from ur kyc and u can check that all my info matches with my betcoin info

I read a lot of disputes from ur site here and when i withdrew my first 7 ltc I thought you guys were legit but theres no reason for you guys to pay my first withdrawl then deny my second withdraw of 19 ltc

This guys is mocking me for being scammed

Is there anything else to do on this community?

I hope people can notice that your answer makes no sense at all, this is the worst answer I got from any sportsbook since I started placing bets like 8 years ago

Of course he's not new here. Why would we say someone is an abusive multi-accounter, if they aren't? What do we gain from withholding $1400? We have been in business for 11 years and payout thousands of times that amount every week.

There is never any benefit on our end from withholding funds. We have no interest in spending more time and money dealing with bogus accusations from abusive players. Every single one of them ends up being proven false. The Scam Accusation board was created to look out for the community, and it has become a tool for extortion. Which is why many of the top sportsbooks don't even reply to these any more. If you know who Betcoin is, you know that we are trustworthy. You also know that we don't take kindly to scammer, cheating, multi-accounting abusers. So if you are one of these, stay away and you won't have to worry. We take no pleasure in these situations. We don't want your action. We don't want your money.

To thank this community for its continued support, we will be adding the money seized from this cheater to the Betcoin Leaderboard Treasures promo week 2, starting this Monday.
https://www.betcoin.ag/promos/leaderboard-treasures

The extra $1400 will be split up among the 3 real money leaderboards
Betcoin Race to the Top - $5,000 + $800
Betcoin Casino ROI - $2,000 + $300
Betcoin Sports ROI - $2,000 + $300

As always, we appreciate this community and your ability to determine what is an actual scam. We would love to post here about all the cheaters who come to Betcoin, but there is only 24 hours in a day. As always, any player with a dispute is able to contact our licensor or contact a 3rd party mediator for binding resolution. We have never lost a mediation and have never withheld winnings, without 100% provable evidence of abuse.

Betcoin.ag has thousands of weekly satisfied users. Our ratings on independent review sites are among the top in our category. We love and promote our legitimate winners.
https://www.betcoin.ag/blog/lambo-moon-parlay-turika
https://www.betcoin.ag/blog/lambo-moon-parlay-pure444
Payouts average 15 minutes, regardless of the amount. Our reputation speaks for itself, and there is simply no reason why we would ever withhold a payout to the 99.9% of players, which are legitimate, as we are doing just fine.

Thanks


And yea when i was reading the guide on how to upload images it said that newbies had to pay o,O


I forgot to add all my deposits/withdrawals went trhough my personal binance account which kyc is way better than betcoins

Quoting your post and reuploading the image [original link below each of them] to talkimg.

Betcoin.ag's representative are usually very prompt at addressing issues, their resolution procedure and time are very excellent. Let me try to hail them here.

One simple and honest curiosity though... you're sure you new here? Usually newbies doesn't know why their account can't show image.

What happened:: This is the weirdest thing, I made my account on march 3 and I have been placing mostly nba player props since then. On April 2nd I hit 14 ltc on my account (1.4k$ ~)



so I tried to withdraw and it went great...


So Im dumb and I trusted this site and I wanted to place 4 nba bets tonight and I needed more funds so I deposited around 300$ more and split the 1k$ in 3 bets and I ended up with 2k$ again and I tried to withdraw, my withdraw got held, I sent my kyc documents and my account got disabled.

This doesnt make sense at all


As you can check the first withdrawal that says "16 hours ago" was the 7 litecoin that I got in my binance on April 2nd

After that you can see that I placed 3 bets:

0.4691 LTC On Draymond green under 0.5 blocks (lost)

4.20 LTC On Hartenstein under 1.5 blocks

2.30 LTC on Adebayo under 2.5 steal+blocks (im not sure if im confusing these 2 won bets but these 2 won)

So after this I wanted to place on Sabonis blocks and you cna see on the image that I deposited 5.6928 LTC

And I placed 5.6928 on Sabonis under 0.5 blocks(won)

I won all my bets but the small one so My account hit 19 LTC again , I tried to withdraw exchange it to usdt and play again and this time my account got withdrew and I had to do some kyc verification, the next morning my account gets disable and now they tell me that im a multiuser which is not true , If i were a multiuser I wouldnt even deposit again after withdrawing the first time I can videocall/sharescreen my monitor or anything to tell them that this is my only account and im the real owner


Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/betcoinag-202115

Reference Link:
Amount Scammed: 19 LTC / 2k$ USD
Payment Method: crypto
Proof of Payment: This is my last deposit I made: https://ibb.co/Sf6RrWd
PM/Chat Logs: I put some in the post
Additional Notes:  

can someone help me with the images? I think i cant upload due to being new