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Quote from: babygun on February 03, 2023, 07:06:57 PM

I get that; as I said before, I wouldn't just by the tokens to stake them. But I always like sites like this that give out dividends as at a certain moment, I will just play with my daily dividend. In that way, you don't need to put in more money and you will also generate more and more tokens and thus more dividend.

This made a sense at the time. Then i just had to keep playing to get more tokens to get as much dividends as i did last time. At some point i gave up as i felt it was more work then if i just bought the tokens. It was fun to win big sometimes but that was so rare i think i would have made more money just by selling the tokens in the first place.

But i totally understand why would people do that. It's fun if you are going to gamble anyway. It even keeps your budget in check. It just wasn't working for me as i was so unlucky with slots.

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Quote from: coinerer on February 04, 2023, 02:37:25 AM

Not everyone has the knowledge to do good analysis. And not everyone can predict what the price of a token might be. Because of this, many traders use paid trading signals. And most investors have started focusing more on long term investments. Gambling platform tokens are also good for long-term investment if the site is owned by a large company and has a high reputation. BFG Token can be thought of in that regard

Actually, Gambling tokens is really designed for the long run investment because it’s price growth depends on the casino performance. The profit from the casino will be use to buy back slowly all those tokens that flooded the circulating supply through token rewards from the casino. It will take a long time for gambling tokens to have a consistent price growth once the hype is already over since the number of sellers from the casino players is too high compared to the buyer of the token.

Betfury casino success plays the most important role for the success of BFG tokens and a tough competition on the casino industry slows down the casino growth which reflects the current price of BFG tokens.

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Quote from: traderethereum on February 04, 2023, 12:08:55 AM

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In case of altcoins, it is better to do day trading whether it is a utility token or a gambling site token. Because altcoins can have a major crash at any time. Many such incidents have been seen. So Altcoins cannot be a potential investment for long term. So it is wise to gain small profits by day trading with altcoins. BFG token is a good token but not ready for long term investment yet

It may look promising for day trading using gambling site tokens but the problem is that the current market conditions are still uncertain and if you are not careful or get caught up in greed, you can suffer losses.
And once you start losing trading with altcoins, you will have to wait a while to see the price increase again.
I think BFG tokens can still be used as long-term investments, especially since other gambling tokens are also trying to survive on the market.
But whatever your choice, be it trading or investing in gambling tokens, you should think carefully because the risks are there.

If the current market conditions prevent you from trading or you are afraid that you will face losses by day trading now then avoid it. But at this time if you make a long term investment then it might give you a big profit at one time but it is not guaranteed that the alt coin you invest in will survive till the altcoin market returns to good condition. So whether you do day trading or long-term investment, research well and then do it be it gambling tokens or something else.

Researching to choose a coin or token is a must so that we know how big the risk is before we start investing.
Before starting trading, it's a good idea to master analytical skills to choose a coin to trade and determine when we can start trading.
But for now, I think trading altcoins is riskier because the movement depends on how bitcoin moves.
But let's hope that people investing in BFG tokens can benefit greatly when the altcoin season comes.

Not everyone has the knowledge to do good analysis. And not everyone can predict what the price of a token might be. Because of this, many traders use paid trading signals. And most investors have started focusing more on long term investments. Gambling platform tokens are also good for long-term investment if the site is owned by a large company and has a high reputation. BFG Token can be thought of in that regard

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Quote from: coinerer on February 03, 2023, 12:24:39 AM

Quote from: traderethereum on February 03, 2023, 12:13:57 AM

Quote from: coinerer on February 02, 2023, 11:24:42 PM

In case of altcoins, it is better to do day trading whether it is a utility token or a gambling site token. Because altcoins can have a major crash at any time. Many such incidents have been seen. So Altcoins cannot be a potential investment for long term. So it is wise to gain small profits by day trading with altcoins. BFG token is a good token but not ready for long term investment yet

It may look promising for day trading using gambling site tokens but the problem is that the current market conditions are still uncertain and if you are not careful or get caught up in greed, you can suffer losses.
And once you start losing trading with altcoins, you will have to wait a while to see the price increase again.
I think BFG tokens can still be used as long-term investments, especially since other gambling tokens are also trying to survive on the market.
But whatever your choice, be it trading or investing in gambling tokens, you should think carefully because the risks are there.

If the current market conditions prevent you from trading or you are afraid that you will face losses by day trading now then avoid it. But at this time if you make a long term investment then it might give you a big profit at one time but it is not guaranteed that the alt coin you invest in will survive till the altcoin market returns to good condition. So whether you do day trading or long-term investment, research well and then do it be it gambling tokens or something else.

Researching to choose a coin or token is a must so that we know how big the risk is before we start investing.
Before starting trading, it's a good idea to master analytical skills to choose a coin to trade and determine when we can start trading.
But for now, I think trading altcoins is riskier because the movement depends on how bitcoin moves.
But let's hope that people investing in BFG tokens can benefit greatly when the altcoin season comes.

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Quote from: Strongkored on February 03, 2023, 08:17:37 AM

He uses the staking calculate feature I think and indeed in that feature only calculations are available with a minimum staking of 100K, but regardless of the number of tokens that can be staked from these calculations it proves that what the we gets from staking is not much and the staking will take more than 1 year to be able to get ROI unless BFG goes up very significantly

I get that; as I said before, I wouldn't just by the tokens to stake them. But I always like sites like this that give out dividends as at a certain moment, I will just play with my daily dividend. In that way, you don't need to put in more money and you will also generate more and more tokens and thus more dividend.

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I agree that biswap and Betfury has nothing in common or we are just not aware of any connections between the two. I understand that it may look like there is a connection due to the fact that BFG got listed there pretty easily, but to me biswap doesn't really look like a DEX that requires a lot to get listed to begin with, which means that it should be pretty easy to get listed there in the long run.

Obviously, it is not going to be something that I would be very much in love with if it were to come out to be true, but I think it is not and they are totally unrelated places. The signature campaign thing looks totally unrelated to each other and could be just that easy.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on February 03, 2023, 12:49:46 PM

Quote from: dwyane36 on February 02, 2023, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: AbuBhakar on February 02, 2023, 09:53:36 AM

Looking on the ground of his post. He is comparing staking and gambling in terms of profitability. So he is not wrong on saying that statement since his comparison for gambling is staking which provide fixed profit while gambling is still a game of chance and we all know that losing on gambling is very high due to house edge.

I believe he is just trying to promote staking for a more safe way to earn which is not bad idea since staking and gambling is both feature of BFG tokens. It’s not wrong to compared both Staking and Gambling for the sake of profitability using BFG tokens.

It seems to me that gambling only on the daily staking payouts is a safe way to keep BFG tokens or even multiply them. On the one hand, this strategy allows you not to lose your initial investment because the BFG tokens remain in the staking. On the other hand, the daily staking payouts allow you to take a risk in gambling, and even if you lose, you will have another try the next day. The only problem with this strategy is that you need to have a lot of BFG tokens in staking. At least you should have a couple hundred thousand BFG tokens to get only a few dollars as a daily staking payout.

I agree on this. Playing only using the profit will minimize risk involved and also players will have no pressure at when playing using profit only that result for better gameplay because they can think straight when gambling.

Personally, Most of my gambling win happened when my bank roll was small because I’m not scared to increase bet when needed and no pressure when losing that usually makes me do careless bet to chase losses.

If you are good enough those earnings from your staking will allow you to grow your assets, if you know how to limit and you know how to control, there are many possibilities that you can earn more as like with how the post above you stated, it's more relaxing if you are just using your rewards and not to allow yourself to use your main capital.

And adding to your last statement, chasing losses is always the killer, you will take it aggressively to win back those early losses
ending up to lose more instead of winning it back.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on February 02, 2023, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: AbuBhakar on February 02, 2023, 09:53:36 AM

Looking on the ground of his post. He is comparing staking and gambling in terms of profitability. So he is not wrong on saying that statement since his comparison for gambling is staking which provide fixed profit while gambling is still a game of chance and we all know that losing on gambling is very high due to house edge.

I believe he is just trying to promote staking for a more safe way to earn which is not bad idea since staking and gambling is both feature of BFG tokens. It’s not wrong to compared both Staking and Gambling for the sake of profitability using BFG tokens.

It seems to me that gambling only on the daily staking payouts is a safe way to keep BFG tokens or even multiply them. On the one hand, this strategy allows you not to lose your initial investment because the BFG tokens remain in the staking. On the other hand, the daily staking payouts allow you to take a risk in gambling, and even if you lose, you will have another try the next day. The only problem with this strategy is that you need to have a lot of BFG tokens in staking. At least you should have a couple hundred thousand BFG tokens to get only a few dollars as a daily staking payout.

I agree on this. Playing only using the profit will minimize risk involved and also players will have no pressure at when playing using profit only that result for better gameplay because they can think straight when gambling.

Personally, Most of my gambling win happened when my bank roll was small because I’m not scared to increase bet when needed and no pressure when losing that usually makes me do careless bet to chase losses.

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Quote from: len01 on February 03, 2023, 12:31:34 PM

Quote from: TopTort777 on February 03, 2023, 04:12:47 AM

Do you agree that Biswap dex belong to BetFury? Or at least same people are on high positions at BetFury and Biswap? Why I think both have same owners - BFG token first listing was on Biswap, and BFG was the only token available for stacking/LP there. As if that dex was created to let people buy BFG tokens. The reason I am asking is that Biswap yesterday started their signature campaign here.

Long time ago I have noticed that BetFury runs signature campaigns only when they have special events. Biswap did not have any running special events, so maybe there will something new on BetFury or Biswap soon?

I don't think Biswap and BFG are the same owner but they do have a partnership, maybe.
but in reality we don't know the truth it's just that we like to guess whatever we see. and in my opinion whether Biswap with BFG have the same owner or not is not a problem for gamblers who are on the Betfury platform. it's just that if it's true that it's the same owner, chances are there will only be a small surprise that BFG and Biswap will give.

We can know the truth that they are not same owner Grin

. They have an stategic partnership last year about BFG token list in Biswap and other feature that will highlight BFG tokens on Biswap exchange. You can read full article on the attached link below. Besides BFG first list on Pancakeswap and not on Biswap, they just add BFG later on after the partnership announcement.

The similarities of the promotion pattern is obvious because they are partner and they consult each other. Probably Biswap team was reached out by the Royse then he point out that Betfury launch same promotion here in the forum that’s why they are convinced to do the same program.

https://biswap.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4407351510545-Biswap-BetFury-Strategic-Partnership-

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 03, 2023, 04:12:47 AM

Do you agree that Biswap dex belong to BetFury? Or at least same people are on high positions at BetFury and Biswap? Why I think both have same owners - BFG token first listing was on Biswap, and BFG was the only token available for stacking/LP there. As if that dex was created to let people buy BFG tokens. The reason I am asking is that Biswap yesterday started their signature campaign here.

Long time ago I have noticed that BetFury runs signature campaigns only when they have special events. Biswap did not have any running special events, so maybe there will something new on BetFury or Biswap soon?

I don't think Biswap and BFG are the same owner but they do have a partnership, maybe.
but in reality we don't know the truth it's just that we like to guess whatever we see. and in my opinion whether Biswap with BFG have the same owner or not is not a problem for gamblers who are on the Betfury platform. it's just that if it's true that it's the same owner, chances are there will only be a small surprise that BFG and Biswap will give.

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Quote from: babygun on February 02, 2023, 10:58:10 PM

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on February 02, 2023, 01:41:01 PM

And that's the problem with this strategy of yours, because the least amount of BFG token a user can stake on BetFury casino is roughly 100,000 and above, of which not everybody can afford such huge amount of money, because 100,000BFG is currently valued at $1456, which has a very small daily payout of $0.7, too small to gamble with for any tangible profit, and also has a monthly payout of $21.4 and yearly payout of $256.8 for each 100,000 BFG staked worth $1452.8 base on the current market price (1BFG = 0.01458 USDT)

Not sure where you got that number but the minimum amount of tokens to stake is only 10, which is also written on the Staking page. I wouldn’t buy tokens just to stake them; I think it is better to just gather them from your gambling activity. The daily amount you receive is maybe quite small but it all adds up also.

He uses the staking calculate feature I think and indeed in that feature only calculations are available with a minimum staking of 100K, but regardless of the number of tokens that can be staked from these calculations it proves that what the we gets from staking is not much and the staking will take more than 1 year to be able to get ROI unless BFG goes up very significantly

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 03, 2023, 04:12:47 AM

Do you agree that Biswap dex belong to BetFury? Or at least same people are on high positions at BetFury and Biswap? Why I think both have same owners - BFG token first listing was on Biswap, and BFG was the only token available for stacking/LP there. As if that dex was created to let people buy BFG tokens. The reason I am asking is that Biswap yesterday started their signature campaign here.

Long time ago I have noticed that BetFury runs signature campaigns only when they have special events. Biswap did not have any running special events, so maybe there will something new on BetFury or Biswap soon?

There really are similarities between these sites. Perhaps the founders of Biswap simply copied Betfury's design. What for? Perhaps they wanted to get investment from a casino. I also think Betfury may have given a grant to create an exchange for their token, and the Biswap founders got it. Most likely the management of the casino and the exchange are different, they just cooperate with each other and nothing more.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 03, 2023, 04:12:47 AM

Do you agree that Biswap dex belong to BetFury? Or at least same people are on high positions at BetFury and Biswap? Why I think both have same owners - BFG token first listing was on Biswap, and BFG was the only token available for stacking/LP there. As if that dex was created to let people buy BFG tokens. The reason I am asking is that Biswap yesterday started their signature campaign here.

Long time ago I have noticed that BetFury runs signature campaigns only when they have special events. Biswap did not have any running special events, so maybe there will something new on BetFury or Biswap soon?

I didn't find any confirmation that the two of them are related to each other, but in terms of website appearance and color, there may be similarities and think that these two sites have the same owner, but apart from that, we don't need to guess without confirmation, but of course everyone is happy if there is something new came from both of them Wink

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 03, 2023, 04:12:47 AM

Do you agree that Biswap dex belong to BetFury? Or at least same people are on high positions at BetFury and Biswap? Why I think both have same owners - BFG token first listing was on Biswap, and BFG was the only token available for stacking/LP there. As if that dex was created to let people buy BFG tokens. The reason I am asking is that Biswap yesterday started their signature campaign here.

Long time ago I have noticed that BetFury runs signature campaigns only when they have special events. Biswap did not have any running special events, so maybe there will something new on BetFury or Biswap soon?

Good catch. Although they denied the connection when someone asked about it long time ago, but i feel there's a connection too. There were just too many coincidences, out from nowhere, new dex with similar color scheme.

It's fun to speculate but in reality it doesn't even matter to me They might be friends or a group they chose to do business with. But it's always fun to speculate and i really hope they got something happening. Although it would be hard to imagine that what it would be what they would do together that would benefit both BetFury and Biswap.

As a sidenote, your link doesn't work but i googled it and that's a pretty good deal for a signature campaign.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on February 02, 2023, 12:49:54 PM

It seems to me that gambling only on the daily staking payouts is a safe way to keep BFG tokens or even multiply them. On the one hand, this strategy allows you not to lose your initial investment because the BFG tokens remain in the staking. On the other hand, the daily staking payouts allow you to take a risk in gambling, and even if you lose, you will have another try the next day. The only problem with this strategy is that you need to have a lot of BFG tokens in staking. At least you should have a couple hundred thousand BFG tokens to get only a few dollars as a daily staking payout.

And that's the problem with this strategy of yours, because the least amount of BFG token a user can stake on BetFury casino is roughly 100,000 and above, of which not everybody can afford such huge amount of money, because 100,000BFG is currently valued at $1456, which has a very small daily payout of $0.7, too small to gamble with for any tangible profit, and also has a monthly payout of $21.4 and yearly payout of $256.8 for each 100,000 BFG staked worth $1452.8 base on the current market price (1BFG = 0.01458 USDT)

Not only that, but what dwyane36 gets wrong is that those payouts have been diluting with such a speed you wouldn't be making your money back by staking.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 03, 2023, 04:12:47 AM

Do you agree that Biswap dex belong to BetFury? Or at least same people are on high positions at BetFury and Biswap? Why I think both have same owners - BFG token first listing was on Biswap, and BFG was the only token available for stacking/LP there. As if that dex was created to let people buy BFG tokens. The reason I am asking is that Biswap yesterday started their signature campaign here.

Long time ago I have noticed that BetFury runs signature campaigns only when they have special events. Biswap did not have any running special events, so maybe there will something new on BetFury or Biswap soon?

Since the launch of Biswap we have suspected the same thing they have the same design or theme and Betfury switched networks from Tron to BSC
as we know that the Biswap program is more suitable for using BSC than Tron I don't think this is just a coincidence although they never confirmed Roll Eyes

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Do you agree that Biswap dex belong to BetFury? Or at least same people are on high positions at BetFury and Biswap? Why I think both have same owners - BFG token first listing was on Biswap, and BFG was the only token available for stacking/LP there. As if that dex was created to let people buy BFG tokens. The reason I am asking is that Biswap yesterday started their signature campaign here.

Long time ago I have noticed that BetFury runs signature campaigns only when they have special events. Biswap did not have any running special events, so maybe there will something new on BetFury or Biswap soon?

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Quote from: coinerer on February 02, 2023, 11:24:42 PM

In case of altcoins, it is better to do day trading whether it is a utility token or a gambling site token. Because altcoins can have a major crash at any time. Many such incidents have been seen. So Altcoins cannot be a potential investment for long term. So it is wise to gain small profits by day trading with altcoins. BFG token is a good token but not ready for long term investment yet

sometimes every trader has different desires, some invest in short-term crypto and some invest long-term, of course, they are both looking for profits, no matter which crypto has a future, as long as they really do deeper research that's good enough, I am a person who likes to invest long term but I haven't seen this BFG token yet, but if their casino keeps growing over time surely it will increase the value of BFG too in the future

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Quote from: traderethereum on February 03, 2023, 12:13:57 AM

Quote from: coinerer on February 02, 2023, 11:24:42 PM

In case of altcoins, it is better to do day trading whether it is a utility token or a gambling site token. Because altcoins can have a major crash at any time. Many such incidents have been seen. So Altcoins cannot be a potential investment for long term. So it is wise to gain small profits by day trading with altcoins. BFG token is a good token but not ready for long term investment yet

It may look promising for day trading using gambling site tokens but the problem is that the current market conditions are still uncertain and if you are not careful or get caught up in greed, you can suffer losses.
And once you start losing trading with altcoins, you will have to wait a while to see the price increase again.
I think BFG tokens can still be used as long-term investments, especially since other gambling tokens are also trying to survive on the market.
But whatever your choice, be it trading or investing in gambling tokens, you should think carefully because the risks are there.

If the current market conditions prevent you from trading or you are afraid that you will face losses by day trading now then avoid it. But at this time if you make a long term investment then it might give you a big profit at one time but it is not guaranteed that the alt coin you invest in will survive till the altcoin market returns to good condition. So whether you do day trading or long-term investment, research well and then do it be it gambling tokens or something else.

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Quote from: coinerer on February 02, 2023, 11:24:42 PM

In case of altcoins, it is better to do day trading whether it is a utility token or a gambling site token. Because altcoins can have a major crash at any time. Many such incidents have been seen. So Altcoins cannot be a potential investment for long term. So it is wise to gain small profits by day trading with altcoins. BFG token is a good token but not ready for long term investment yet

It may look promising for day trading using gambling site tokens but the problem is that the current market conditions are still uncertain and if you are not careful or get caught up in greed, you can suffer losses.
And once you start losing trading with altcoins, you will have to wait a while to see the price increase again.
I think BFG tokens can still be used as long-term investments, especially since other gambling tokens are also trying to survive on the market.
But whatever your choice, be it trading or investing in gambling tokens, you should think carefully because the risks are there.

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It's been a long time since I visited and played at Betfurry I just focused on trading BFG tokens, token prices are quite stable not going up and not falling too much, I want to maximize my profits at Betfurry playing and staking

why don't you just try staking because if you play gambling I think you won't get any profit or just lose it, so you should look for safety and you should do staking at least as a long term investment if you believe in the future of this casino

Although most of the time gamblers are losing when gambling, but there are always 2 possible results in gambling (win or lose).
So saying that he will just lose it, is like that it is impossible to win in gambling which is completely wrong.
Gambling and Staking are 2 different thing absolutely, as long as he can manage his money wisely, it is fine to gamble while there is a chance to earn more BFG by gambling.

Looking on the ground of his post. He is comparing staking and gambling in terms of profitability. So he is not wrong on saying that statement since his comparison for gambling is staking which provide fixed profit while gambling is still a game of chance and we all know that losing on gambling is very high due to house edge.

I believe he is just trying to promote staking for a more safe way to earn which is not bad idea since staking and gambling is both feature of BFG tokens. It’s not wrong to compared both Staking and Gambling for the sake of profitability using BFG tokens.

Here I would like to add that betting on a currency to generate income or dividends in other currencies is not frowned upon because we can take it as a daily trade where good results are obtained, on the other hand, you have other thoughts when you decide to play in a casino, or In other words, when we play it is very likely that we will lose, it is what we have safest, but as some other members have said, when we decide to play in a casino we fight against many advantages that the same casino has, and even so we play because we do not lose hope of that slim chance of winning, and there are some who do, and are well rewarded.

In case of altcoins, it is better to do day trading whether it is a utility token or a gambling site token. Because altcoins can have a major crash at any time. Many such incidents have been seen. So Altcoins cannot be a potential investment for long term. So it is wise to gain small profits by day trading with altcoins. BFG token is a good token but not ready for long term investment yet

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