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legendary
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Well, if the person losses in sports betting 5 consecutive times, it means he needs to stop because of the possibility of addiction but because he has no skill or knowledge about the sports and the teams behind it.  He is probably just guessing making sports betting a game of chance instead of skill-based.

5 consecutive lose doesn't mean of addiction it just state that he doesn't know anything about the sport he's betting so maybe he need to do proper researching and watch the sports so that he can familiarized them. It also give him a lesson that betting randomly cannot get him anywhere so he need to be more smart placing his bets so that he can win next time and avoid losing for 6 times.
In my opinion it's not addiction but curiosity, addiction usually people will spend as much money as possible, but apart from consecutive losses it could be not because the person didn't research it but tried to find luck at high odds hoping for it but it didn't materialize or he made a bet choosing a team that is underdog but loses to a team that is not seeded, we all know sometimes there are matches where teams that are not really underdogs often win against teams that are underdogs.

Betting with losing in a row is normal because I often lose 10 times in a row so it's not because I'm an addict, after all there are certain reasons that maybe we don't know either and it's not because we don't research too, after all nobody is perfect guess the direction of the sports match correctly.
sr. member
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honestly it's hard to imagine that a person can lose 40 consecutive times, to be honest that person even playing dice at auto bet won't have so much bad luck to the point of losing a lot consecutively, but nothing is impossible in gambling, if the person loses more than 5 consecutive times in sports betting, then this person needs to stop playing with greater urgency, otherwise this person will be walking towards addiction and will sell everything he has to continue playing, because in games of chance in which luck depends on winning if the person is not lucky enough to win something considerable even when he has played many games then he needs to stop playing that game and try another game

Well, if the person losses in sports betting 5 consecutive times, it means he needs to stop because of the possibility of addiction but because he has no skill or knowledge about the sports and the teams behind it.  He is probably just guessing making sports betting a game of chance instead of skill-based.

5 consecutive lose doesn't mean of addiction it just state that he doesn't know anything about the sport he's betting so maybe he need to do proper researching and watch the sports so that he can familiarized them. It also give him a lesson that betting randomly cannot get him anywhere so he need to be more smart placing his bets so that he can win next time and avoid losing for 6 times.
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honestly it's hard to imagine that a person can lose 40 consecutive times, to be honest that person even playing dice at auto bet won't have so much bad luck to the point of losing a lot consecutively, but nothing is impossible in gambling, if the person loses more than 5 consecutive times in sports betting, then this person needs to stop playing with greater urgency, otherwise this person will be walking towards addiction and will sell everything he has to continue playing, because in games of chance in which luck depends on winning if the person is not lucky enough to win something considerable even when he has played many games then he needs to stop playing that game and try another game

I saw a lot of people playing plinko for example and so I thought about playing too, at first I managed to convert from 5$ to 13$ but for some strange reason since I started losing, I didn't stop losing until I reached 0$, honestly that day I felt bad, but so bad that I stopped playing plinko forever, until my day turned bad, I couldn't understand how it was possible to lose so much, from 13 to 0 in a short time, but today I see that gambling that depend on luck are not worth playing because I won't be lucky to win something
Oh wow, 40 consecutive red is a wild. I haven't seen that kind of number on a losing streak in my whole life. I will personally reflect on myself if on that kind of losing streak. If you manage to lose 40 times in a row means you have balls of steel to try to gamble again and an incredible amount of unluckiness on your side. Our luck can't be measured but if we experience a bad day, it would be nice to still have money to take home and not letting all of your money getting burned on a casino. Casino can easily remove your luck even if you won multiple times on different days, Casino only took hours to get back all of the profits that you gained on several days of playing.
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I think we better established first what's the winning probability of that 40 consecutive loss since it's very easy to hit that streak or more with a lower winning chance rate. But on a 50% or more win chance, It's a very rare scenario since I never encounter a 20 streak and above since my bankroll is already depleted before it will come to that point. I wonder if he is using martingale or the same bet strategy to come up with that massive loss since it will be a disaster if that bet is on martingale no matter how low the initial bet is since the strategy will intensify loss the longer the streak stays.
legendary
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Even with high bankroll martingale can easily eat and deplete you fund especially when you encounter a series of reds in your roll. 20+ red streak can possibly make your bankroll negative  and we all know that 20+ read streak is very possible.  I even experience this in spinning a slot. 20+ dead spin.  Imagine if I martingale my bet and I experience that 20+ streak. 
If someone doesn't realize that getting to 10+ is a sign, he should stop immediately and doesn't stop gambling. Instead, he will only run out of money if he uses big bets, especially if he gets 20+ a series of reds.

For slot games, usually after getting several losses, we can get a win which, even though it's a small win, can make us continue to gamble. So for gambling, I think it's really worth it if we stick with small bets even though we have a big bankroll because it sure hurts to see all our balances used up that day.
Usually that is true, but not every single time. You could get a lot of losses that will eventually make you run out of money and there is no return from there, it just doesn't work like that. I have seen people turn just a few dollars into thousands of dollars and then end up losing it all back again. Casinos have house edge on their side which means that it would not be possible for anyone to just keep on gambling and win.

If you gamble long enough, then you are going to end up with a loss eventually and that is the end of it, that's just going to be the case for sure, without a doubt. I hope that it gets to a point where it will not be possible for anyone to just keep on gambling for a long time and still not face 20+ losses in a row, if you keep gambling, you will reach that one day.
Reaching 20 losses in a row is not much, I have seen up to 40 losses in a row , that when I was playing at that time I came to think that the casino did not want to let me win more and that they were signing me up to lose, but then I began to Investigate about the probably fair and from there a great interest came from many people who wanted to beat the system, and remembering those times where I played so much, I wonder if the AI in the near future if it has that capacity, because it is not difficult for it nothing to learn, it is a matter of days , for you to Learn something at a master level.


honestly it's hard to imagine that a person can lose 40 consecutive times, to be honest that person even playing dice at auto bet won't have so much bad luck to the point of losing a lot consecutively, but nothing is impossible in gambling, if the person loses more than 5 consecutive times in sports betting, then this person needs to stop playing with greater urgency, otherwise this person will be walking towards addiction and will sell everything he has to continue playing, because in games of chance in which luck depends on winning if the person is not lucky enough to win something considerable even when he has played many games then he needs to stop playing that game and try another game

I saw a lot of people playing plinko for example and so I thought about playing too, at first I managed to convert from 5$ to 13$ but for some strange reason since I started losing, I didn't stop losing until I reached 0$, honestly that day I felt bad, but so bad that I stopped playing plinko forever, until my day turned bad, I couldn't understand how it was possible to lose so much, from 13 to 0 in a short time, but today I see that gambling that depend on luck are not worth playing because I won't be lucky to win something
Oh wow, 40 consecutive red is a wild. I haven't seen that kind of number on a losing streak in my whole life. I will personally reflect on myself if on that kind of losing streak. If you manage to lose 40 times in a row means you have balls of steel to try to gamble again and an incredible amount of unluckiness on your side. Our luck can't be measured but if we experience a bad day, it would be nice to still have money to take home and not letting all of your money getting burned on a casino. Casino can easily remove your luck even if you won multiple times on different days, Casino only took hours to get back all of the profits that you gained on several days of playing.
legendary
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honestly it's hard to imagine that a person can lose 40 consecutive times, to be honest that person even playing dice at auto bet won't have so much bad luck to the point of losing a lot consecutively, but nothing is impossible in gambling, if the person loses more than 5 consecutive times in sports betting, then this person needs to stop playing with greater urgency, otherwise this person will be walking towards addiction and will sell everything he has to continue playing, because in games of chance in which luck depends on winning if the person is not lucky enough to win something considerable even when he has played many games then he needs to stop playing that game and try another game

Well, if the person losses in sports betting 5 consecutive times, it means he needs to stop because of the possibility of addiction but because he has no skill or knowledge about the sports and the teams behind it.  He is probably just guessing making sports betting a game of chance instead of skill-based.

I saw a lot of people playing plinko for example and so I thought about playing too, at first I managed to convert from 5$ to 13$ but for some strange reason since I started losing, I didn't stop losing until I reached 0$, honestly that day I felt bad, but so bad that I stopped playing plinko forever, until my day turned bad, I couldn't understand how it was possible to lose so much, from 13 to 0 in a short time, but today I see that gambling that depend on luck are not worth playing because I won't be lucky to win something

Don't be surprised, I think almost all kinds of chance based game is designed like that.  You can also experience it on dice and slots.  The longer we stay in one game the higher the chance of losing.
legendary
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Even with high bankroll martingale can easily eat and deplete you fund especially when you encounter a series of reds in your roll. 20+ red streak can possibly make your bankroll negative  and we all know that 20+ read streak is very possible.  I even experience this in spinning a slot. 20+ dead spin.  Imagine if I martingale my bet and I experience that 20+ streak. 
If someone doesn't realize that getting to 10+ is a sign, he should stop immediately and doesn't stop gambling. Instead, he will only run out of money if he uses big bets, especially if he gets 20+ a series of reds.

For slot games, usually after getting several losses, we can get a win which, even though it's a small win, can make us continue to gamble. So for gambling, I think it's really worth it if we stick with small bets even though we have a big bankroll because it sure hurts to see all our balances used up that day.
Usually that is true, but not every single time. You could get a lot of losses that will eventually make you run out of money and there is no return from there, it just doesn't work like that. I have seen people turn just a few dollars into thousands of dollars and then end up losing it all back again. Casinos have house edge on their side which means that it would not be possible for anyone to just keep on gambling and win.

If you gamble long enough, then you are going to end up with a loss eventually and that is the end of it, that's just going to be the case for sure, without a doubt. I hope that it gets to a point where it will not be possible for anyone to just keep on gambling for a long time and still not face 20+ losses in a row, if you keep gambling, you will reach that one day.
Reaching 20 losses in a row is not much, I have seen up to 40 losses in a row , that when I was playing at that time I came to think that the casino did not want to let me win more and that they were signing me up to lose, but then I began to Investigate about the probably fair and from there a great interest came from many people who wanted to beat the system, and remembering those times where I played so much, I wonder if the AI in the near future if it has that capacity, because it is not difficult for it nothing to learn, it is a matter of days , for you to Learn something at a master level.


honestly it's hard to imagine that a person can lose 40 consecutive times, to be honest that person even playing dice at auto bet won't have so much bad luck to the point of losing a lot consecutively, but nothing is impossible in gambling, if the person loses more than 5 consecutive times in sports betting, then this person needs to stop playing with greater urgency, otherwise this person will be walking towards addiction and will sell everything he has to continue playing, because in games of chance in which luck depends on winning if the person is not lucky enough to win something considerable even when he has played many games then he needs to stop playing that game and try another game

I saw a lot of people playing plinko for example and so I thought about playing too, at first I managed to convert from 5$ to 13$ but for some strange reason since I started losing, I didn't stop losing until I reached 0$, honestly that day I felt bad, but so bad that I stopped playing plinko forever, until my day turned bad, I couldn't understand how it was possible to lose so much, from 13 to 0 in a short time, but today I see that gambling that depend on luck are not worth playing because I won't be lucky to win something
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The reason why we tend to lose if we play longer is that we have a very limited bankroll to cover a losing streak. The casino has an unlimited fund that's why even if you win 100 times straight, you will still lose eventually because there's a that you will lose the same streak or more than the highest winning streak since it's a game of chance.

That's why it's better to set target profit and target lose everytime you will gamble to ensure that you can control your bankroll win or lose scenario.

Yes, but how do those of us who have little money for a balance? If we can't do more, I'm not going to pioneer 100 dollars for a casino when I know that the most likely thing is that I'll lose that money, but with a balance of 50 usd it's not much, but it's not little either, something can be done with that, If I take 50 dollars to 75 dollars that is a good profit for me, I wouldn't complain, but having 1000 dollars and taking it to 200 dollars is something that is not very acceptable, because to lose money it is better to put it in something else, maybe in another type of fun, epro as there are many players who do not care and play because it is their responsibility.
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Usually that is true, but not every single time. You could get a lot of losses that will eventually make you run out of money and there is no return from there, it just doesn't work like that. I have seen people turn just a few dollars into thousands of dollars and then end up losing it all back again. Casinos have house edge on their side which means that it would not be possible for anyone to just keep on gambling and win.

If you gamble long enough, then you are going to end up with a loss eventually and that is the end of it, that's just going to be the case for sure, without a doubt. I hope that it gets to a point where it will not be possible for anyone to just keep on gambling for a long time and still not face 20+ losses in a row, if you keep gambling, you will reach that one day.
Reaching 20 losses in a row is not much, I have seen up to 40 losses in a row , that when I was playing at that time I came to think that the casino did not want to let me win more and that they were signing me up to lose, but then I began to Investigate about the probably fair and from there a great interest came from many people who wanted to beat the system, and remembering those times where I played so much, I wonder if the AI in the near future if it has that capacity, because it is not difficult for it nothing to learn, it is a matter of days , for you to Learn something at a master level.
Then there's the confirmation bias, if we start to think that we are losing unnaturally lot, we start to notice every loss and our brains is wired so that it's telling me that we are doing something wrong or the game is rigged. Somehow we tend to forget that if there's a chance to won a lot, there must be a chance to lose as much and more. Somehow we don't think the game is rigged if we win a lot.

If you play long enough entually there will be a day when huge amount of your bets are going to be a losing bets in a row. It's just as certain that there will be a day you will win big. That's just probability statistics.


The reason why we tend to lose if we play longer is that we have a very limited bankroll to cover a losing streak. The casino has an unlimited fund that's why even if you win 100 times straight, you will still lose eventually because there's a that you will lose the same streak or more than the highest winning streak since it's a game of chance.

That's why it's better to set target profit and target lose everytime you will gamble to ensure that you can control your bankroll win or lose scenario.
legendary
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Usually that is true, but not every single time. You could get a lot of losses that will eventually make you run out of money and there is no return from there, it just doesn't work like that. I have seen people turn just a few dollars into thousands of dollars and then end up losing it all back again. Casinos have house edge on their side which means that it would not be possible for anyone to just keep on gambling and win.

If you gamble long enough, then you are going to end up with a loss eventually and that is the end of it, that's just going to be the case for sure, without a doubt. I hope that it gets to a point where it will not be possible for anyone to just keep on gambling for a long time and still not face 20+ losses in a row, if you keep gambling, you will reach that one day.
Reaching 20 losses in a row is not much, I have seen up to 40 losses in a row , that when I was playing at that time I came to think that the casino did not want to let me win more and that they were signing me up to lose, but then I began to Investigate about the probably fair and from there a great interest came from many people who wanted to beat the system, and remembering those times where I played so much, I wonder if the AI in the near future if it has that capacity, because it is not difficult for it nothing to learn, it is a matter of days , for you to Learn something at a master level.
Then there's the confirmation bias, if we start to think that we are losing unnaturally lot, we start to notice every loss and our brains is wired so that it's telling me that we are doing something wrong or the game is rigged. Somehow we tend to forget that if there's a chance to won a lot, there must be a chance to lose as much and more. Somehow we don't think the game is rigged if we win a lot.

If you play long enough entually there will be a day when huge amount of your bets are going to be a losing bets in a row. It's just as certain that there will be a day you will win big. That's just probability statistics.
legendary
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Even with high bankroll martingale can easily eat and deplete you fund especially when you encounter a series of reds in your roll. 20+ red streak can possibly make your bankroll negative  and we all know that 20+ read streak is very possible.  I even experience this in spinning a slot. 20+ dead spin.  Imagine if I martingale my bet and I experience that 20+ streak. 
If someone doesn't realize that getting to 10+ is a sign, he should stop immediately and doesn't stop gambling. Instead, he will only run out of money if he uses big bets, especially if he gets 20+ a series of reds.

For slot games, usually after getting several losses, we can get a win which, even though it's a small win, can make us continue to gamble. So for gambling, I think it's really worth it if we stick with small bets even though we have a big bankroll because it sure hurts to see all our balances used up that day.
Usually that is true, but not every single time. You could get a lot of losses that will eventually make you run out of money and there is no return from there, it just doesn't work like that. I have seen people turn just a few dollars into thousands of dollars and then end up losing it all back again. Casinos have house edge on their side which means that it would not be possible for anyone to just keep on gambling and win.

If you gamble long enough, then you are going to end up with a loss eventually and that is the end of it, that's just going to be the case for sure, without a doubt. I hope that it gets to a point where it will not be possible for anyone to just keep on gambling for a long time and still not face 20+ losses in a row, if you keep gambling, you will reach that one day.
Reaching 20 losses in a row is not much, I have seen up to 40 losses in a row , that when I was playing at that time I came to think that the casino did not want to let me win more and that they were signing me up to lose, but then I began to Investigate about the probably fair and from there a great interest came from many people who wanted to beat the system, and remembering those times where I played so much, I wonder if the AI in the near future if it has that capacity, because it is not difficult for it nothing to learn, it is a matter of days , for you to Learn something at a master level.
legendary
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I see you are discussing one very interesting question.  The question is which authentication is more preferable specifically for you.  
Many millions of people use Google authentication and do not even think about other ways.  However, everyone who has been interested in the development of blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies for a long time and at a higher level is well aware that all open source programs are always more transparent and, in a sense, even more reliable.  
And the fact that Google's closed source authentication code may well present you with certain "gifts" in the form of potential third-party access to your credentials.  This is obviously always denied by the devs of such systems, but it also obviously may well be the case in life.  All the same, in this dilemma (open/closed source), I still lean more towards the open source option in all programs.  And in particular in variants of authentication programs.  
As for security and protection against hacker attacks, it must be said that both cannot guarantee 100% protection against hacker penetration and hacking, primarily by powerful groups of hackers.  
So in this sense, Google-only authentication is not a panacea and is not the only truly reliable information security tool.
There is no such thing as totally reliable security tool as eventually it comes to social engineering and user being the weakest link to be explored anyway. And so far i haven't heard of any google 2fa authenticator hacks.

Moreover, even theoretically I have no doubt that, at the request of the authorities, Google will certainly provide personal information to authorized bodies in the event of an official request.  This also applies to authentication data.  
Perhaps with open source authentication, the issue is also solved, of course, but not as simply as in the case of such a widespread Google.
By personal information, what exatcly are you talking about? I am assuming you are talking about the app collecting it. Google 2fa only collects my device ID, crash logs and diagnostics about diagnostics about the app functionality.

Even when i am using my android i am using a google account made only for that phone that has only 1 app installed and that's google 2fa auth. I keep the phone in a secure place so i don't lose it.
I am using it via prepaid anon account paid by cash so i would like to know what kind of data i am giving to third parties via google 2fa authenticator and for what purpose they are using it for?

If you are talking about data of how many exchanges and casinos i am using it for, i am pretty sure that most casinos would be happy to give my kyc and activity data anyway data to right officials if asked. As they are required to do so by aml laws.
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I see you are discussing one very interesting question.  The question is which authentication is more preferable specifically for you.  
Many millions of people use Google authentication and do not even think about other ways.  However, everyone who has been interested in the development of blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies for a long time and at a higher level is well aware that all open source programs are always more transparent and, in a sense, even more reliable.  
And the fact that Google's closed source authentication code may well present you with certain "gifts" in the form of potential third-party access to your credentials.  This is obviously always denied by the devs of such systems, but it also obviously may well be the case in life.  All the same, in this dilemma (open/closed source), I still lean more towards the open source option in all programs.  And in particular in variants of authentication programs.  
As for security and protection against hacker attacks, it must be said that both cannot guarantee 100% protection against hacker penetration and hacking, primarily by powerful groups of hackers.  
So in this sense, Google-only authentication is not a panacea and is not the only truly reliable information security tool.  
Moreover, even theoretically I have no doubt that, at the request of the authorities, Google will certainly provide personal information to authorized bodies in the event of an official request.  This also applies to authentication data.  
Perhaps with open source authentication, the issue is also solved, of course, but not as simply as in the case of such a widespread Google.
Open-source platforms show all their bits and bobs, allowing anyone to dig into the code, spot weak spots, and suggest improvements. It's like buying a car with a see-through body - you can watch the engine and all its parts doing their thing. But remember, Google's secret sauce in authentication has its advantages. It provides a polished, always evolving service, backed up by a monster of a support system. But it's also a mystery box, possibly hiding sneaky third-party access. Kind of like eating a microwave meal - super handy, but who knows what's really in it?

You hit the nail on the head about the whole "no system is unhackable" thing. Neither open-source nor closed systems can promise total protection from cyber baddies. It's a constant game of hide and seek with hackers, always trying to stay one step ahead. As for handing over personal info when the authorities come knocking, you're on the money - it's trickier with open-source because of how these systems are spread out. But let's be real, any system can spill the beans on user info under enough pressure.
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Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.
I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

I've also been using Google authenticator for years for 2FA authorization on many sites, including the Betfury site. So I would also be interested to know why he recommended avoiding the Google app. Of course, there are many other authenticators, but in fact, all of them have almost the same functionality, and I don't see any reason to change Google authenticator for some other similar app. The main thing is to back up the recovery codes and always keep them in several places to avoid the problems that Rigon had recently encountered.

Probably due to the close source feature of the google app which makes it risky in some way in case google is storing our data. Think about it, If google have access to your authenticator key. Your security might be exploited when their database was breach.

There’s still some good Authenticator out there that is open source. Open source is the typical choice of forum user since everyone can check the code. I’m not that kind of meticulous in 2FA since all my account is protected with multi layer security. I’m also using google account for a long time. Changing now for an open source Authenticator is not for me.

I get your point and it's true if breach take place the chance of being exploit is possible, we really can't tell what or how things may take place but the possibilities is not by far as hackers are always trying to attack even how secure the system they will try to penetrate and if ever things went to their directions, it will really bring big risk into our accounts, especially those security system that we think will help us to prevent attacks to happen.

In every casino there is no incentive for players to have a reward if they find a vulnerability, what they do is exploit it because they know that if they report it they will not receive anything in return and if they receive something in return it is very little and that is something which cannot be taken lightly, exceptions should be made, because when there is a casino exploit the casino usually stops all withdrawals and all players who have played normally without being in the exploit have to wait until the problem is fixed and that causes annoyance, because the others are not to blame, the fault lies only with the casino.
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Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.
I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

I've also been using Google authenticator for years for 2FA authorization on many sites, including the Betfury site. So I would also be interested to know why he recommended avoiding the Google app. Of course, there are many other authenticators, but in fact, all of them have almost the same functionality, and I don't see any reason to change Google authenticator for some other similar app. The main thing is to back up the recovery codes and always keep them in several places to avoid the problems that Rigon had recently encountered.

Probably due to the close source feature of the google app which makes it risky in some way in case google is storing our data. Think about it, If google have access to your authenticator key. Your security might be exploited when their database was breach.

There’s still some good Authenticator out there that is open source. Open source is the typical choice of forum user since everyone can check the code. I’m not that kind of meticulous in 2FA since all my account is protected with multi layer security. I’m also using google account for a long time. Changing now for an open source Authenticator is not for me.

I get your point and it's true if breach take place the chance of being exploit is possible, we really can't tell what or how things may take place but the possibilities is not by far as hackers are always trying to attack even how secure the system they will try to penetrate and if ever things went to their directions, it will really bring big risk into our accounts, especially those security system that we think will help us to prevent attacks to happen.
I see you are discussing one very interesting question.  The question is which authentication is more preferable specifically for you.  
Many millions of people use Google authentication and do not even think about other ways.  However, everyone who has been interested in the development of blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies for a long time and at a higher level is well aware that all open source programs are always more transparent and, in a sense, even more reliable.  
And the fact that Google's closed source authentication code may well present you with certain "gifts" in the form of potential third-party access to your credentials.  This is obviously always denied by the devs of such systems, but it also obviously may well be the case in life.  All the same, in this dilemma (open/closed source), I still lean more towards the open source option in all programs.  And in particular in variants of authentication programs.  
As for security and protection against hacker attacks, it must be said that both cannot guarantee 100% protection against hacker penetration and hacking, primarily by powerful groups of hackers.  
So in this sense, Google-only authentication is not a panacea and is not the only truly reliable information security tool.  
Moreover, even theoretically I have no doubt that, at the request of the authorities, Google will certainly provide personal information to authorized bodies in the event of an official request.  This also applies to authentication data.  
Perhaps with open source authentication, the issue is also solved, of course, but not as simply as in the case of such a widespread Google.
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Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.
I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

I've also been using Google authenticator for years for 2FA authorization on many sites, including the Betfury site. So I would also be interested to know why he recommended avoiding the Google app. Of course, there are many other authenticators, but in fact, all of them have almost the same functionality, and I don't see any reason to change Google authenticator for some other similar app. The main thing is to back up the recovery codes and always keep them in several places to avoid the problems that Rigon had recently encountered.

Probably due to the close source feature of the google app which makes it risky in some way in case google is storing our data. Think about it, If google have access to your authenticator key. Your security might be exploited when their database was breach.

There’s still some good Authenticator out there that is open source. Open source is the typical choice of forum user since everyone can check the code. I’m not that kind of meticulous in 2FA since all my account is protected with multi layer security. I’m also using google account for a long time. Changing now for an open source Authenticator is not for me.

I get your point and it's true if breach take place the chance of being exploit is possible, we really can't tell what or how things may take place but the possibilities is not by far as hackers are always trying to attack even how secure the system they will try to penetrate and if ever things went to their directions, it will really bring big risk into our accounts, especially those security system that we think will help us to prevent attacks to happen.
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Probably due to the close source feature of the google app which makes it risky in some way in case google is storing our data. Think about it, If google have access to your authenticator key. Your security might be exploited when their database was breach.

There’s still some good Authenticator out there that is open source. Open source is the typical choice of forum user since everyone can check the code. I’m not that kind of meticulous in 2FA since all my account is protected with multi layer security. I’m also using google account for a long time. Changing now for an open source Authenticator is not for me.
Yeah, but can you name and link one event where google 2fa was compromised because of that? I would take link to any hack event at all in where google 2fa was compromised because of the program itself was exploited. Because i can't find any. Other 2fa hacks i can find plenty. But obviously open source should be always preferred. I am not talking against that by any means.
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I am a BFG holder. I have about 10k+ BFG. A few days ago my mobile turned off automatically. I had google 2FA enabled on my Betfury account. After repairing the mobile, I see that everything has been deleted. I have not recorded my google 2fa private anywhere. Right now I can't access my Betfury account. I tried to contact the team many times but failed. I am currently requesting the team to remove google 2FA from my account. So that I can access my account.
How long have you been waiting after contacting them?

I think you should give them so time or a few days to respond on the best course of action, but I think after some investigation and perhaps making you do some KYC verification. Your account is likely going to be unlocked.

Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.
I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

Same here I have been using google authenticators for year and has no issue, maybe people are giving warning about using google authenticator because some of the feature of google authenticator is storing our date in an online storage.  So they are a bit worry about hackers getting access of our authenticator keys.

well the problem is that having a casino and also having a token implies that the owner of the casino also has to focus on making the token evolve, and in this case evolution of the token means being listed on the best exchanges and that requires the owner the casino has a lot of money to pay for listing on the big exchanges, and unfortunately what has happened is that the token owners list their tokens on the small exchanges because with that they won't spend a lot of money and start to get very rich with each sale of their tokens and after they already have a lot of money they no longer have big reasons that force them to stay working a lot on the project

As far as I know Betfury is successful in their private sells.  According to google they had raised around $10m during that sales, and with that I think there is enough fund to get listed on huge exchanges and at the same time develop their gambling platform.  So I do not think that being listed on big exchanges will be a financially challenge for the casino.

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What they should do is try to recover the way for them to believe in the project again and that is very Difficult,for me things like this are fractured, and if there is no way they want to Recover it,it is up to the team if they want to stay so,Personally, if I did everything possible because there is a fairly strong Infrastructure in the casino, there are many things to recover, one is the token, the other is that the casino is more interesting for the Players and to be able to have a better option for them to be interested in playing there.

I had already commented on this in the past that casino tokens are doomed to failure for the following reason: in this market there are already many older and more reliable casinos that have a very simple deposit and withdrawal system that accept many cryptocurrencies, most people in this market uses bitcoin and it makes more sense that in the casino they accept bitcoin and old and established altcoins as a payment method, when a casino creates without its own token, then this casino is risking having more operational cost, they will have to pay a debt to maintain the casino and another to take care of the token, in the long run this operating cost increases, because the devs also have other things to do

and the price of the token will be falling, for obvious reasons: the market is saturated, there are many altcoins and there are many casinos, the cost of listing altcoins on exchanges is also expensive and people want the token to be listed on the best exchanges and when the casino cannot do this, so people get frustrated and also end up directing this frustration at the casino, that is, they look at the casino as incompetent. I don't know how far the team thought when they created this token, but time will tell if I'm wrong

It is very difficult to fight against a system that already has many things in context, first of all, as you say, the market is very volatile, unstable, with uncertainty, this is not going well for a market that has to do with tokens, tokens are alternatives to bitcoin and some cryptocurrencies, it is faster to do them and build a very alternative market that is still dependent on bitcoin movements, there is nothing like it or that depends on other things, it will always be like this, when we see it from another point of view Come to the same conclusion, altcoins, and tokens will always be under the same classification.

well the problem is that having a casino and also having a token implies that the owner of the casino also has to focus on making the token evolve, and in this case evolution of the token means being listed on the best exchanges and that requires the owner the casino has a lot of money to pay for listing on the big exchanges, and unfortunately what has happened is that the token owners list their tokens on the small exchanges because with that they won't spend a lot of money and start to get very rich with each sale of their tokens and after they already have a lot of money they no longer have big reasons that force them to stay working a lot on the project

and what happens next is that investors are begging on twitter for some information from the owner of the token, but it's in vain, he only appears when the price of the token is falling or when he wants to earn even more money so he says some nonsense and the his followers soon see that as good news and start buying a lot of tokens, seriously, sometimes I think that in this crypto market people look at us as the dumbest, because it is not possible for people to buy shitcoin and they are still deluding themselves that it will go to the moon, years and years of holding thinking that it will go to the moon, and the altcoin or token never arrives on the moon

It's funny Is the spirit of never giving up that most people in this crypto market have, and it's really something quite shocking, I confess that I've seen a lot of them spend years holding shitcoin that is falling and falling. finally we will see what will be the next step of the BetFury team
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Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.
I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

I've also been using Google authenticator for years for 2FA authorization on many sites, including the Betfury site. So I would also be interested to know why he recommended avoiding the Google app. Of course, there are many other authenticators, but in fact, all of them have almost the same functionality, and I don't see any reason to change Google authenticator for some other similar app. The main thing is to back up the recovery codes and always keep them in several places to avoid the problems that Rigon had recently encountered.

Probably due to the close source feature of the google app which makes it risky in some way in case google is storing our data. Think about it, If google have access to your authenticator key. Your security might be exploited when their database was breach.

There’s still some good Authenticator out there that is open source. Open source is the typical choice of forum user since everyone can check the code. I’m not that kind of meticulous in 2FA since all my account is protected with multi layer security. I’m also using google account for a long time. Changing now for an open source Authenticator is not for me.
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Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.
I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

I've also been using Google authenticator for years for 2FA authorization on many sites, including the Betfury site. So I would also be interested to know why he recommended avoiding the Google app. Of course, there are many other authenticators, but in fact, all of them have almost the same functionality, and I don't see any reason to change Google authenticator for some other similar app. The main thing is to back up the recovery codes and always keep them in several places to avoid the problems that Rigon had recently encountered.
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