⚽️ Betnomi.com ⚽️ Bundesliga Football Pool Discussion Thread 2022/2023 - page 33.

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Quote from: 1miau on August 06, 2022, 03:20:24 PM

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The battle for the top scorer award could get even more exciting:

Borussia Dortmund just signed ex FC Köln goal scorer Anthony Modeste and RB Leipzig buys back Timo Werner from FC Chelsea. Crazy! These are pretty interesting developments that were extremly hard to predict. Now it could become even more likely that the top scorer will not play for FC Bayern this season. Hm, can I change my prediction? Cheesy

The German newspaper Bild is reporting on the topic:

Source: https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/sport/fussball/fussball/rb-leipzig-timo-werner-bei-chelsea-schon-nicht-mehr-im-kader-80933340.bild.html

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Quote from: Harkorede on August 06, 2022, 12:06:40 PM

I think the Kicktipp close scores grading system is very flawed, it's not the same thing as that of SuperBRU (which I still consider to be fairer) or maybe I'm not accustomed to it yet, but I find it weird that 1-0 is considered as close score to 2-1, but 2-0 isn't, same goes for 2-1 being considered as a close score for 3-1, but 3-0 isn't, and the worse of them all would be 3-2 considered as close result for 1-0, and 1-1 isn't considered as a close result for 2-2 and vice versa ?? Really ??

I totally agree with you. Superbru is also criticised on the forum from time to time. But I think that the grading system here is much worse than that. Still it wasn't surprising for me as I knew what kind of a grading system kicktipp was using before the season started and before I made my predictions.

As someone said earlier that was they used is the goal difference margin to award the 3 points, I think it is better to award high points for the correct result and scrap that score difference point totally, I see no sense in someone getting 3 points for a 1-0 prediction if the final score line is 5-4.

I guess I'll just put that into consideration when making my picks since I had no idea prior. It will be better to go for one goal margin when some isn't so sure about an outcome.

Btw, Leipzig currently being held to a 1-1 draw by Stuttgart as we are into the final minute isn't something I saw coming, even though they're playing away from home I thought they'd be able to secure all 3 points.

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Quote from: Harkorede on August 06, 2022, 12:06:40 PM

I think the Kicktipp close scores grading system is very flawed, it's not the same thing as that of SuperBRU (which I still consider to be fairer) or maybe I'm not accustomed to it yet, but I find it weird that 1-0 is considered as close score to 2-1, but 2-0 isn't, same goes for 2-1 being considered as a close score for 3-1, but 3-0 isn't, and the worse of them all would be 3-2 considered as close result for 1-0, and 1-1 isn't considered as a close result for 2-2 and vice versa ?? Really ??

I totally agree with you. Superbru is also criticised on the forum from time to time. But I think that the grading system here is much worse than that. Still it wasn't surprising for me as I knew what kind of a grading system kicktipp was using before the season started and before I made my predictions.

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Quote from: 1miau on August 06, 2022, 03:20:24 PM

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Quote from: 1miau on August 05, 2022, 06:00:44 PM

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Most likely the best scorer will come from a team, where usually many goals are scored, so my bets are at FCB again. Their 6 goals from today against Frankfurt are already a good start, whoever will be their top scorer (most likely Mané).

agree, but with their six goals, only Musiala scored two, all others score one goal, much different from last season, it would be at least 3, and probably four goals for Lewa in yesterday match
with these numbers, Bayern can have two top goal-scorers this season

Most likely, yes.
The most important thing is Bayern's competition: I can't see anyone from Dortmund being a top scorer this season because Haller will be playing later again for sure and won't be able to compete for top scorer since he is missing matches now.
Bayern usually scores tons of goals, Dortmund coming second and last round, Leverkusen and Leipzig were quite strong. I don't see them scoring as many goals as last season and that's why Dortmund and Bayern are most likely the teams for top scorers:

Season 2021/2022:

Season 2022/2021:

Dortmund and Leverkusen already had a poor start in terms of goals (1-0)
Leipzig will have their first match tomorrow.

Quote from: casperBGD on August 06, 2022, 02:18:26 PM

nevertheless, they made their statement - title is ours, again, let us not forget that Eintracht won EL last season, and play CL this season

Of course, I see Bayern winning (again) and it's likely to be with a higher margin as last season. Cheesy

This shows that it was quite the Lewandowski thing at Bayern München. Apart from the fact that City has now Haaland, they also had the best offense for the last six years or so and not the best goal scorer for a single time. The last time was Agüero in 14/15 despite being the best offense by far for so many years. This year Bayern is very similar to Manchester City when they didn't have a Haaland like offender. I believe it'll be a team that is more reliant on a single offender, like Leverkusen with Schick. Dortmund and Haller could have worked out, but as you said Haller is sick for quite some time. So in Dortmund I really don't see a player scoring 25 goals. But I don't see a 30 goal scorer this season anyway. Bayern will score the most goals, no doubt, and that raises the chance to also produce the best goal scorer, but it's still different this season in my opinion as there is no Lewandowski like player.

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Quote from: casperBGD on August 06, 2022, 02:18:26 PM

Quote from: 1miau on August 05, 2022, 06:00:44 PM

~snip
Most likely the best scorer will come from a team, where usually many goals are scored, so my bets are at FCB again. Their 6 goals from today against Frankfurt are already a good start, whoever will be their top scorer (most likely Mané).

agree, but with their six goals, only Musiala scored two, all others score one goal, much different from last season, it would be at least 3, and probably four goals for Lewa in yesterday match
with these numbers, Bayern can have two top goal-scorers this season

Most likely, yes.
The most important thing is Bayern's competition: I can't see anyone from Dortmund being a top scorer this season because Haller will be playing later again for sure and won't be able to compete for top scorer since he is missing matches now.
Bayern usually scores tons of goals, Dortmund coming second and last round, Leverkusen and Leipzig were quite strong. I don't see them scoring as many goals as last season and that's why Dortmund and Bayern are most likely the teams for top scorers:

Season 2021/2022:

Season 2022/2021:

Dortmund and Leverkusen already had a poor start in terms of goals (1-0)
Leipzig will have their first match tomorrow.

Quote from: casperBGD on August 06, 2022, 02:18:26 PM

nevertheless, they made their statement - title is ours, again, let us not forget that Eintracht won EL last season, and play CL this season

Of course, I see Bayern winning (again) and it's likely to be with a higher margin as last season. Cheesy

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tomorrow there are still the last 2 games and so far sam00 and serab are leading with very strong 18 points each

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Quote from: 1miau on August 05, 2022, 06:00:44 PM

~snip
Most likely the best scorer will come from a team, where usually many goals are scored, so my bets are at FCB again. Their 6 goals from today against Frankfurt are already a good start, whoever will be their top scorer (most likely Mané).

agree, but with their six goals, only Musiala scored two, all others score one goal, much different from last season, it would be at least 3, and probably four goals for Lewa in yesterday match
with these numbers, Bayern can have two top goal-scorers this season

nevertheless, they made their statement - title is ours, again, let us not forget that Eintracht won EL last season, and play CL this season

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Quote from: Harkorede on August 06, 2022, 12:06:40 PM

I think the Kicktipp close scores grading system is very flawed, it's not the same thing as that of SuperBRU (which I still consider to be fairer) or maybe I'm not accustomed to it yet, but I find it weird that 1-0 is considered as close score to 2-1, but 2-0 isn't, same goes for 2-1 being considered as a close score for 3-1, but 3-0 isn't, and the worse of them all would be 3-2 considered as close result for 1-0, and 1-1 isn't considered as a close result for 2-2 and vice versa ?? Really ??

As I understand, only the Goal Difference is taken into account. 1-0 has the same goal difference as 2-1, i.e. one more goal for the home team while 2-0 represents 2 more goals for it.
But I don't think anyone would earn 3 points for predicting 2-1 instead of 3-1 (+1 instead of +2). People could win 2 points if they predicted the victory of the home team, but they won't get the 3 points. I didn't see such a thing in the current leaderboard at least.

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I think the Kicktipp close scores grading system is very flawed, it's not the same thing as that of SuperBRU (which I still consider to be fairer) or maybe I'm not accustomed to it yet, but I find it weird that 1-0 is considered as close score to 2-1, but 2-0 isn't, same goes for 2-1 being considered as a close score for 3-1, but 3-0 isn't, and the worse of them all would be 3-2 considered as close result for 1-0, and 1-1 isn't considered as a close result for 2-2 and vice versa ?? Really ??

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the same procedure every year/season. bayern demoralizes all opponents and can actually only beat themselves through their own mistakes and the other favorites take away the points from each other.
i'm curious about today's games and of course also about the picks from our non-german participants.
Ulven was very close to the 4 points yesterday with his 2-5 pick...

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Quote from: Harkorede on August 05, 2022, 03:35:35 PM

Quote from: darxiaomi on August 05, 2022, 03:29:56 PM

Well a lot of entries in the last moment, good to see more people comes and play.

The Bayern Munich start with all the power, they make a destroy at Frankfurt, i put 4-1 and was optimistic but 6-1 was so much.

It was an emphatic win from Bayern Munich, I actually expected them to struggle a bit which was I went for the 3-1, but it could have been double digits. I know it still just game 1 of the season, but Bayern doesn't look depleted at all and they might not even feel the absence of Lewandowski after all.

Yeah, Bayern sent the message to title contenders from the get go. I was a little surprised at odds of over @1.5 on Bayern victory. Took that bet without even thinking about it. Also had both to score on another ticket but that one has made me sweat a little.

Did not watch the game since PL started as well but just from the stats I can see it was total dominance and plenty of attacking solutions for Bayern.

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Quote from: cygan on August 05, 2022, 01:03:06 AM

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Quote from: darxiaomi on August 04, 2022, 06:47:07 PM

Who can be the top scorer this season?. Sadio Mane maybe can have a chance?. Dortmund substitute for Haaland cant play sorry for Haller and his health problem.

Since Lewandowski is out (who has been a safe bet in recenty years), it's getting more difficult this season.
Most likely the best scorer will come from a team, where usually many goals are scored, so my bets are at FCB again. Their 6 goals from today against Frankfurt are already a good start, whoever will be their top scorer (most likely Mané).

Looks like Betwrong has forgotten to submit his Bonus bets on time:

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Quote from: darxiaomi on August 05, 2022, 03:29:56 PM

Well a lot of entries in the last moment, good to see more people comes and play.

The Bayern Munich start with all the power, they make a destroy at Frankfurt, i put 4-1 and was optimistic but 6-1 was so much.

No one seems to manage to predict the correct score of this first game and all the players(19) except 2 who've predicted a draw, received not more than 2 points. Even Ulven who have predicted the correct number of goals (7) and a large victory of Bayern(2-5), only received 2 points.
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Quote from: darxiaomi on August 05, 2022, 03:29:56 PM

Well a lot of entries in the last moment, good to see more people comes and play.

The Bayern Munich start with all the power, they make a destroy at Frankfurt, i put 4-1 and was optimistic but 6-1 was so much.

It was an emphatic win from Bayern Munich, I actually expected them to struggle a bit which was I went for the 3-1, but it could have been double digits. I know it still just game 1 of the season, but Bayern doesn't look depleted at all and they might not even feel the absence of Lewandowski after all.

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Well a lot of entries in the last moment, good to see more people comes and play.

The Bayern Munich start with all the power, they make a destroy at Frankfurt, i put 4-1 and was optimistic but 6-1 was so much.

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the registration deadline for our first international bundesliga pool has now passed.
we have a whopping 21 participants, and that means that at the end of the season, places 4 and 5 can also look forward to prizes!!! Wink

and the total pot has reached 0.09207000BTC
let the games begin Grin

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your user is still missing on kicktipp...

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Quote from: 1miau on August 04, 2022, 05:17:11 PM

Signed up now and submitted my bets, looks like we have 20 participants (or 21)?

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Quote from: casperBGD on August 04, 2022, 03:58:02 PM

I know that eventually it will be too much, but had to join this pool as well
let the best win, and Leverkusen get the title

Seems that there is plenty of us who thought that it will be too much, but still decided to join.
Leverkusen? You mean Neverkusen? Cheesy

That's true indeed, Vizekusen (Vicekusen). Cheesy

Good luck everyone, it's going to be an interesting season. Bayern and no Lewandowski / Dortmund and no Haaland.

You have a really good point here. Who can be the top scorer this season?. Sadio Mane maybe can have a chance?. Dortmund substitute for Haaland cant play sorry for Haller and his health problem.

Or can we have a surprise from another team? Maybe Nkunku or Andre Silva, or a more bigger surprise?

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Signed up now and submitted my bets, looks like we have 20 participants (or 21)?

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 04, 2022, 04:26:54 PM

Quote from: casperBGD on August 04, 2022, 03:58:02 PM

I know that eventually it will be too much, but had to join this pool as well
let the best win, and Leverkusen get the title

Seems that there is plenty of us who thought that it will be too much, but still decided to join.
Leverkusen? You mean Neverkusen? Cheesy

That's true indeed, Vizekusen (Vicekusen). Cheesy

Good luck everyone, it's going to be an interesting season. Bayern and no Lewandowski / Dortmund and no Haaland.

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So, I submited predictions, answered bonus questions and trying to get familiar with Kicktipp website. I also turned on email notifications to get prediction reminder just in case. Now just waiting for start of season.

Quote from: casperBGD on August 04, 2022, 03:58:02 PM

I know that eventually it will be too much, but had to join this pool as well
let the best win, and Leverkusen get the title

Seems that there is plenty of us who thought that it will be too much, but still decided to join.
Leverkusen? You mean Neverkusen? Cheesy

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