BetterBets - Not Provably Fair AGAIN - page 2.

RHavar

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Quote from: LunchablesFit on October 12, 2016, 09:50:24 PM

Since your server is making the generation of the random it makes it no different than a static seed. You should offer the ability for both.

Hmm, actually I don't believe there's any reason the server should ever be generating the client seeds, but I'm assuming they're going to fix that.

Also supporting a static client seed seems kind of pointless, and I personally wouldn't bother; but I guess gamblers are a superstitious bunch and if there's enough demand for that it makes sense. However, as you say the client seed should definitely be user-editable, so if users don't trust the client-seed generation they can do it themselves.

Anyway in the previous thread, BetterBetsDev said he's working on the fixes, so you're kind of beating a dead horse here.

It's pretty clear that they're not trying to cheat anyone, and people do have other real life commitments -- so I think it's fair to give them another week or so to finish it up =)

LunchablesFit

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Since your server is making the generation of the random it makes it no different than a static seed. You should offer the ability for both. Some people have lucky numbers. And your code still does not work. My account cannot be expanded unless you reload. Seed won't save. I suggest if this is not by design that you do some compatibility checking

BetterBetsDev

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Quote from: LunchablesFit on October 12, 2016, 08:31:11 PM

BetterBets, what is going on?

A week or so back you were accused of not allowing users to take advantage of the full client seed range that moneypot offers.

Today, I visit your site and I realized i can't even set the client seed anymore. When hitting save, it does nothing. Its a hoax. The client seed does not update, it uses your "next random" seed. You don't even allow the user to disable seed randomization anymore. WTF, you don't even update the client seed in the input, it requires a full browser refresh to view the next client seed. You physically can only hit the my account tab once. I thought this may have been a browser issue, but I tested in both FireFox and Chrome and was presented with the same result.

Why is that? Is it because your first attempt to forfeit the rights of the player in your "provably fair" system was discovered? I pity your website. You are a disgrace to your users. What is so hard by allowing users to set seeds in the full range? All of the major dice sites do it and if you ever even want to be a player you need to get with the program.

Its no wonder Moneypot is sputtering, its crappy app owners like yourself that bring them a bad name.

If you would have read the previous thread, you would have noticed that our revamp of the provably fair system was mostly done but not quite complete yet. It will be completed by next Monday ...

Also, did you ensure to press Ctrl-Reload to force your browser to force your browser to load the latest version of the altered javascript files? I just tested this and it seems to work OK.

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You don't even allow the user to disable seed randomization anymore.

According to everybody, disabling client seed randomization is a bad idea since it makes things predictable for the party processing the bet.

EDIT: To make sure everybody got the lates update, I disabled the cloudflare cache for now.

AcoinL.L.C

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How about you post from your real account

LunchablesFit

newbie

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BetterBets, what is going on?

A week or so back you were accused of not allowing users to take advantage of the full client seed range that moneypot offers.

Today, I visit your site and I realized i can't even set the client seed anymore. When hitting save, it does nothing. Its a hoax. The client seed does not update, it uses your "next random" seed. You don't even allow the user to disable seed randomization anymore. WTF, you don't even update the client seed in the input, it requires a full browser refresh to view the next client seed. You physically can only hit the my account tab once. I thought this may have been a browser issue, but I tested in both FireFox and Chrome and was presented with the same result.

Why is that? Is it because your first attempt to forfeit the rights of the player in your "provably fair" system was discovered? I pity your website. You are a disgrace to your users. What is so hard by allowing users to set seeds in the full range? All of the major dice sites do it and if you ever even want to be a player you need to get with the program.

Its no wonder Moneypot is sputtering, its crappy app owners like yourself that bring them a bad name.

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