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Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 05:42:23 PM

Agreed it does seem to be a "best for all" type idea thanks Ranlo, very helpful.

You guys should totally hire me on as an idea man/PR person, :p.

Quote from: BetterBetsDev on July 11, 2015, 05:45:57 PM

No worries, I'll make it nice. I already have an idea to make your suggestion even better

I look forward to seeing what you come up with,

.

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Quote from: ranlo on July 11, 2015, 05:43:27 PM

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Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 11:14:49 AM

In regards to seeing the player you actually got a referral bonus from, the only way to know is if they tell you, development sees privacy concerns of the player if we were to directly reveal that. If you refer a large bettor they may not want you to know who they are especially if their bankroll is huge, hope you understand.

You are wrong about this, I dont say that I need to know their bankroll or whatever it is. I just want to check how many the person has wagered . Well everything is transparent isnt it in moneypot, I can also check your status, profit and your wagered amount through moneypot but there is no way to know who my referall is.

I am not wrong, I said players with a large bankroll would probably be opposed to showing their player names if they happen to be an affiliate (for fear of becoming a target.) I never said you asked to know what their bankroll is in my statement at all. We will be adding a field to show the number of affiliates you have on your account very shortly (just as Primedice does). In regards to the players name that will be left up to a player to decide if they want you to know who they are or signed under.

Transparency and player privacy have to be carefully done, we have even had players unhappy with the "Hall of Fame" because it shows stats publicly. It's hard to find a perfect balance but hopefully people understand.

How about doing this another way? Instead of showing the username itself, show something like this:

10203402034 - 100 BTC - 5 BTC
18030984293 - 1 BTC - 0.05 BTC

(Basically, show it like UID - Wagered - Earnings)

This gives both transparency and anonymity.

Good idea, I'll try implement this over the next few days. Thanks for the suggestion.

NP! I'd like to throw out one more suggestion as well... have it set up to... I'm not sure the term, but basically have x decimals, just for fluid purposes. For example, instead of the above, it'd be more like:

100.00000000 BTC - 5.00000000 BTC
1.00000000 BTC - 0.0500000000 BTC

Ideally, it'd go a bit further, and have zeroes at the beginning to make things flush as well. Pretty much I just like to see a quick, easy-to-read pattern,

. It's not a deal-killer, but I do personally believe it makes things look a lot better.

No worries, I'll make it nice. I already have an idea to make your suggestion even better

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Quote from: BetterBetsDev on July 11, 2015, 05:41:12 PM

Quote from: ranlo on July 11, 2015, 05:36:00 PM

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Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 11:14:49 AM

In regards to seeing the player you actually got a referral bonus from, the only way to know is if they tell you, development sees privacy concerns of the player if we were to directly reveal that. If you refer a large bettor they may not want you to know who they are especially if their bankroll is huge, hope you understand.

You are wrong about this, I dont say that I need to know their bankroll or whatever it is. I just want to check how many the person has wagered . Well everything is transparent isnt it in moneypot, I can also check your status, profit and your wagered amount through moneypot but there is no way to know who my referall is.

I am not wrong, I said players with a large bankroll would probably be opposed to showing their player names if they happen to be an affiliate (for fear of becoming a target.) I never said you asked to know what their bankroll is in my statement at all. We will be adding a field to show the number of affiliates you have on your account very shortly (just as Primedice does). In regards to the players name that will be left up to a player to decide if they want you to know who they are or signed under.

Transparency and player privacy have to be carefully done, we have even had players unhappy with the "Hall of Fame" because it shows stats publicly. It's hard to find a perfect balance but hopefully people understand.

How about doing this another way? Instead of showing the username itself, show something like this:

10203402034 - 100 BTC - 5 BTC
18030984293 - 1 BTC - 0.05 BTC

(Basically, show it like UID - Wagered - Earnings)

This gives both transparency and anonymity.

Good idea, I'll try implement this over the next few days. Thanks for the suggestion.

NP! I'd like to throw out one more suggestion as well... have it set up to... I'm not sure the term, but basically have x decimals, just for fluid purposes. For example, instead of the above, it'd be more like:

100.00000000 BTC - 5.00000000 BTC
1.00000000 BTC - 0.0500000000 BTC

Ideally, it'd go a bit further, and have zeroes at the beginning to make things flush as well. Pretty much I just like to see a quick, easy-to-read pattern,

. It's not a deal-killer, but I do personally believe it makes things look a lot better.

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Quote from: BetterBetsDev on July 11, 2015, 05:41:12 PM

Quote from: ranlo on July 11, 2015, 05:36:00 PM

Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 05:19:46 PM

Quote from: cazkooo on July 11, 2015, 03:45:00 PM

Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 11:14:49 AM

In regards to seeing the player you actually got a referral bonus from, the only way to know is if they tell you, development sees privacy concerns of the player if we were to directly reveal that. If you refer a large bettor they may not want you to know who they are especially if their bankroll is huge, hope you understand.

You are wrong about this, I dont say that I need to know their bankroll or whatever it is. I just want to check how many the person has wagered . Well everything is transparent isnt it in moneypot, I can also check your status, profit and your wagered amount through moneypot but there is no way to know who my referall is.

I am not wrong, I said players with a large bankroll would probably be opposed to showing their player names if they happen to be an affiliate (for fear of becoming a target.) I never said you asked to know what their bankroll is in my statement at all. We will be adding a field to show the number of affiliates you have on your account very shortly (just as Primedice does). In regards to the players name that will be left up to a player to decide if they want you to know who they are or signed under.

Transparency and player privacy have to be carefully done, we have even had players unhappy with the "Hall of Fame" because it shows stats publicly. It's hard to find a perfect balance but hopefully people understand.

How about doing this another way? Instead of showing the username itself, show something like this:

10203402034 - 100 BTC - 5 BTC
18030984293 - 1 BTC - 0.05 BTC

(Basically, show it like UID - Wagered - Earnings)

This gives both transparency and anonymity.

Good idea, I'll try implement this over the next few days. Thanks for the suggestion.

Agreed it does seem to be a "best for all" type idea thanks Ranlo, very helpful.

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Quote from: ranlo on July 11, 2015, 05:36:00 PM

Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 05:19:46 PM

Quote from: cazkooo on July 11, 2015, 03:45:00 PM

Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 11:14:49 AM

In regards to seeing the player you actually got a referral bonus from, the only way to know is if they tell you, development sees privacy concerns of the player if we were to directly reveal that. If you refer a large bettor they may not want you to know who they are especially if their bankroll is huge, hope you understand.

You are wrong about this, I dont say that I need to know their bankroll or whatever it is. I just want to check how many the person has wagered . Well everything is transparent isnt it in moneypot, I can also check your status, profit and your wagered amount through moneypot but there is no way to know who my referall is.

I am not wrong, I said players with a large bankroll would probably be opposed to showing their player names if they happen to be an affiliate (for fear of becoming a target.) I never said you asked to know what their bankroll is in my statement at all. We will be adding a field to show the number of affiliates you have on your account very shortly (just as Primedice does). In regards to the players name that will be left up to a player to decide if they want you to know who they are or signed under.

Transparency and player privacy have to be carefully done, we have even had players unhappy with the "Hall of Fame" because it shows stats publicly. It's hard to find a perfect balance but hopefully people understand.

How about doing this another way? Instead of showing the username itself, show something like this:

10203402034 - 100 BTC - 5 BTC
18030984293 - 1 BTC - 0.05 BTC

(Basically, show it like UID - Wagered - Earnings)

This gives both transparency and anonymity.

Good idea, I'll try implement this over the next few days. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 05:19:46 PM

Quote from: cazkooo on July 11, 2015, 03:45:00 PM

Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 11:14:49 AM

In regards to seeing the player you actually got a referral bonus from, the only way to know is if they tell you, development sees privacy concerns of the player if we were to directly reveal that. If you refer a large bettor they may not want you to know who they are especially if their bankroll is huge, hope you understand.

You are wrong about this, I dont say that I need to know their bankroll or whatever it is. I just want to check how many the person has wagered . Well everything is transparent isnt it in moneypot, I can also check your status, profit and your wagered amount through moneypot but there is no way to know who my referall is.

I am not wrong, I said players with a large bankroll would probably be opposed to showing their player names if they happen to be an affiliate (for fear of becoming a target.) I never said you asked to know what their bankroll is in my statement at all. We will be adding a field to show the number of affiliates you have on your account very shortly (just as Primedice does). In regards to the players name that will be left up to a player to decide if they want you to know who they are or signed under.

Transparency and player privacy have to be carefully done, we have even had players unhappy with the "Hall of Fame" because it shows stats publicly. It's hard to find a perfect balance but hopefully people understand.

How about doing this another way? Instead of showing the username itself, show something like this:

10203402034 - 100 BTC - 5 BTC
18030984293 - 1 BTC - 0.05 BTC

(Basically, show it like UID - Wagered - Earnings)

This gives both transparency and anonymity.

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Quote from: cazkooo on July 11, 2015, 03:45:00 PM

Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 11:14:49 AM

In regards to seeing the player you actually got a referral bonus from, the only way to know is if they tell you, development sees privacy concerns of the player if we were to directly reveal that. If you refer a large bettor they may not want you to know who they are especially if their bankroll is huge, hope you understand.

You are wrong about this, I dont say that I need to know their bankroll or whatever it is. I just want to check how many the person has wagered . Well everything is transparent isnt it in moneypot, I can also check your status, profit and your wagered amount through moneypot but there is no way to know who my referall is.

I am not wrong, I said players with a large bankroll would probably be opposed to showing their player names if they happen to be an affiliate (for fear of becoming a target.) I never said you asked to know what their bankroll is in my statement at all. We will be adding a field to show the number of affiliates you have on your account very shortly (just as Primedice does). In regards to the players name that will be left up to a player to decide if they want you to know who they are or signed under.

Transparency and player privacy have to be carefully done, we have even had players unhappy with the "Hall of Fame" because it shows stats publicly. It's hard to find a perfect balance but hopefully people understand.

***We are discussing this internally now to determine if it is a greater benefit to BetterBets to reveal a players name you had signed up under you, as most know we take feedback seriously. Our biggest worry is if some people would find this intrusive to privacy. If our team cannot reach a decision then we would ask players to post their opinions/vote**

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Quote from: ranlo on July 11, 2015, 04:11:00 PM

Quote from: cazkooo on July 11, 2015, 03:45:00 PM

Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 11:14:49 AM

In regards to seeing the player you actually got a referral bonus from, the only way to know is if they tell you, development sees privacy concerns of the player if we were to directly reveal that. If you refer a large bettor they may not want you to know who they are especially if their bankroll is huge, hope you understand.

You are wrong about this, I dont say that I need to know their bankroll or whatever it is. I just want to check how many the person has wagered . Well everything is transparent isnt it in moneypot, I can also check your status, profit and your wagered amount through moneypot but there is no way to know who my referall is.

100% agree with this. Nearly every site with referrals lists who they are, so you can verify them yourselves and to add some transparency. I don't see it as being a privacy concern at all.

Primedice doesn't does just - dice? Primedice states your number of affiliates that's it.

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Quote from: cazkooo on July 11, 2015, 03:45:00 PM

Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 11:14:49 AM

In regards to seeing the player you actually got a referral bonus from, the only way to know is if they tell you, development sees privacy concerns of the player if we were to directly reveal that. If you refer a large bettor they may not want you to know who they are especially if their bankroll is huge, hope you understand.

You are wrong about this, I dont say that I need to know their bankroll or whatever it is. I just want to check how many the person has wagered . Well everything is transparent isnt it in moneypot, I can also check your status, profit and your wagered amount through moneypot but there is no way to know who my referall is.

100% agree with this. Nearly every site with referrals lists who they are, so you can verify them yourselves and to add some transparency. I don't see it as being a privacy concern at all.

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Quote from: BetterBets.io on July 11, 2015, 11:14:49 AM

In regards to seeing the player you actually got a referral bonus from, the only way to know is if they tell you, development sees privacy concerns of the player if we were to directly reveal that. If you refer a large bettor they may not want you to know who they are especially if their bankroll is huge, hope you understand.

You are wrong about this, I dont say that I need to know their bankroll or whatever it is. I just want to check how many the person has wagered . Well everything is transparent isnt it in moneypot, I can also check your status, profit and your wagered amount through moneypot but there is no way to know who my referall is.

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Quote from: ranlo on July 11, 2015, 12:02:36 PM

Quote from: BetterBetsDev on July 11, 2015, 11:47:56 AM

Quote from: ranlo on July 11, 2015, 11:37:27 AM

Does the referral revenue count fractional satoshis as well? For example, if you bet 1 satoshi at a 1.25x multiplier, it will show the following on four successive wins:

+0
+0
+0
+1

This shows that the betting is adding 0.25 satoshi per win, but since the system only shows 8 decimals, it doesn't show until it rolls over to 1.

Does the referral system work in the same way, or is it like Rollin, where the minimum to be added is 1 satoshi and anything lower is skipped altogether?

For the referral bonus, we keep track of all non-zero amounts. Ie: fractional satoshi amounts are counted and not discarded. This makes perfect sense in this case because since your referral revenue is based upon a percentage of the house edge, discarding factional satoshi values would eliminate the referral bonus for basically any bet under 667 Satoshi (assuming a standard house edge of 1%).

For the example you quoted, this is only the display area (which is rounded). In reality of course, even here the fractional satoshi amounts are counted but if we wanted to display this accurately, we'd have to add a few more digits to then end of the display amount which would mess up the table formatting on some display sizes.

Completely understand why it wouldn't be shown, was just curious as to if it was counted,

. That makes this a LOT better than most other sites -- the majority ignore all fractions, such that users HAVE to bet above a specific threshold (usually 400+ satoshi or so) in order to be credited. So huge +1!

Thanks

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Quote from: BetterBetsDev on July 11, 2015, 11:47:56 AM

Quote from: ranlo on July 11, 2015, 11:37:27 AM

Does the referral revenue count fractional satoshis as well? For example, if you bet 1 satoshi at a 1.25x multiplier, it will show the following on four successive wins:

+0
+0
+0
+1

This shows that the betting is adding 0.25 satoshi per win, but since the system only shows 8 decimals, it doesn't show until it rolls over to 1.

Does the referral system work in the same way, or is it like Rollin, where the minimum to be added is 1 satoshi and anything lower is skipped altogether?

For the referral bonus, we keep track of all non-zero amounts. Ie: fractional satoshi amounts are counted and not discarded. This makes perfect sense in this case because since your referral revenue is based upon a percentage of the house edge, discarding factional satoshi values would eliminate the referral bonus for basically any bet under 667 Satoshi (assuming a standard house edge of 1%).

For the example you quoted, this is only the display area (which is rounded). In reality of course, even here the fractional satoshi amounts are counted but if we wanted to display this accurately, we'd have to add a few more digits to then end of the display amount which would mess up the table formatting on some display sizes.

Completely understand why it wouldn't be shown, was just curious as to if it was counted,

. That makes this a LOT better than most other sites -- the majority ignore all fractions, such that users HAVE to bet above a specific threshold (usually 400+ satoshi or so) in order to be credited. So huge +1!

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Quote from: ranlo on July 11, 2015, 11:37:27 AM

Does the referral revenue count fractional satoshis as well? For example, if you bet 1 satoshi at a 1.25x multiplier, it will show the following on four successive wins:

+0
+0
+0
+1

This shows that the betting is adding 0.25 satoshi per win, but since the system only shows 8 decimals, it doesn't show until it rolls over to 1.

Does the referral system work in the same way, or is it like Rollin, where the minimum to be added is 1 satoshi and anything lower is skipped altogether?

For the referral bonus, we keep track of all non-zero amounts. Ie: fractional satoshi amounts are counted and not discarded. This makes perfect sense in this case because since your referral revenue is based upon a percentage of the house edge, discarding factional satoshi values would eliminate the referral bonus for basically any bet under 667 Satoshi (assuming a standard house edge of 1%).

For the example you quoted, this is only the display area (which is rounded). In reality of course, even here the fractional satoshi amounts are counted but if we wanted to display this accurately, we'd have to add a few more digits to then end of the display amount which would mess up the table formatting on some display sizes.

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Does the referral revenue count fractional satoshis as well? For example, if you bet 1 satoshi at a 1.25x multiplier, it will show the following on four successive wins:

+0
+0
+0
+1

This shows that the betting is adding 0.25 satoshi per win, but since the system only shows 8 decimals, it doesn't show until it rolls over to 1.

Does the referral system work in the same way, or is it like Rollin, where the minimum to be added is 1 satoshi and anything lower is skipped altogether?

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Quote from: cazkooo on July 11, 2015, 09:45:59 AM

Quote from: BetterBetsDev on July 10, 2015, 04:17:09 AM

Quote from: cazkooo on July 10, 2015, 03:06:01 AM

Quote from: ranlo on July 10, 2015, 03:02:59 AM

Quote from: cazkooo on July 10, 2015, 03:01:28 AM

If I count this correctly, you are giving more than 50 % that you get from moneypot to the player. 35 % of the house edge , this is the total if someone abuse this by referring himself and you only got 15 % for that. This is a very low amount to keep the house running. Im not sure if this will help you to keep the house running btw

It's up to... only the biggest whales gain such a big benefit. Most players won't come close to that.

Well you only need to wager 50 bitcoin weekly for that to get the 0.2 % of the wagered amount and that is a not a very high amount. Quick check on the site and I found that it seems there is a mini whale that win alot from plinko just few hours ago. Also is there a way to check who my referall is? I dont find it anywhere on the site btw

Do you mean who you were referred by?

Or do you want to see people who you referred to the site?

I'm kind of doubtful on making this info available, because there are potential privacy considerations involved.

Everybody: how do you feel about making such info available?

I want to see who I referred to this site. Their username and if possbile their wagered amount after being referred by me. This is for transparancy for the referall commision . Also I want to ask is the referall commision counted in a live time? If my referall wagered 0.001 bitcoin will it display 0.0000015 bitcoin at my account tab or will it be counted manually on the end of the week?

Look on your account tab you will see it's calculated live but will be distributed every Sunday (same as Cashback club). In regards to seeing the player you actually got a referral bonus from, the only way to know is if they tell you, development sees privacy concerns of the player if we were to directly reveal that. If you refer a large bettor they may not want you to know who they are especially if their bankroll is huge, hope you understand. I mean you will know by a large referral bonus but not the players identity. We just added new fields for transparency see the picture:

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Quote from: BetterBetsDev on July 10, 2015, 04:17:09 AM

Quote from: cazkooo on July 10, 2015, 03:06:01 AM

Quote from: ranlo on July 10, 2015, 03:02:59 AM

Quote from: cazkooo on July 10, 2015, 03:01:28 AM

If I count this correctly, you are giving more than 50 % that you get from moneypot to the player. 35 % of the house edge , this is the total if someone abuse this by referring himself and you only got 15 % for that. This is a very low amount to keep the house running. Im not sure if this will help you to keep the house running btw

It's up to... only the biggest whales gain such a big benefit. Most players won't come close to that.

Well you only need to wager 50 bitcoin weekly for that to get the 0.2 % of the wagered amount and that is a not a very high amount. Quick check on the site and I found that it seems there is a mini whale that win alot from plinko just few hours ago. Also is there a way to check who my referall is? I dont find it anywhere on the site btw

Do you mean who you were referred by?

Or do you want to see people who you referred to the site?

I'm kind of doubtful on making this info available, because there are potential privacy considerations involved.

Everybody: how do you feel about making such info available?

I want to see who I referred to this site. Their username and if possbile their wagered amount after being referred by me. This is for transparancy for the referall commision . Also I want to ask is the referall commision counted in a live time? If my referall wagered 0.001 bitcoin will it display 0.0000015 bitcoin at my account tab or will it be counted manually on the end of the week?

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Quote from: Altcoin4life on July 11, 2015, 08:52:24 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 11, 2015, 08:47:43 AM

Quote from: Altcoin4life on July 11, 2015, 08:26:32 AM

No prob if I can't offer to share the bonus. Just lookin for affiliates now....... do people even know that by not gambling here they are losing out on this money back programs? Cray cray

Did you mean that you will be sharing the 15 % with people? If it is so then as far as I know it is fine and not forbidden to do so though because everything that will be paid to you will be your own possesion.
I might have misunderstood the previous post , I thought Ranlo was asking about the potential abuse of referring your ownself ( I posted that in an early morning so yeah, kinda misunderstood sorry Cheesy

)

P.S : Sorry for the confusion

U are right sharing our affiliate profits.... at 15% per player could share 5% with the new person and still be making as much as pd...then the new player can get an extra 5% just for playing and 20% more if they are on Cashback club...wtf this is awesome lol

There is nothing against this, every Sunday when players are paid the BTC from Cashback Club and Affiliate programs it is yours to spend how you choose. Tomorrow is the first payout of these new bonus features, if for some reason you are hesitant to try BetterBets then wait until we pay out these new bonus programs then give us a try.

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 11, 2015, 08:47:43 AM

Quote from: Altcoin4life on July 11, 2015, 08:26:32 AM

No prob if I can't offer to share the bonus. Just lookin for affiliates now....... do people even know that by not gambling here they are losing out on this money back programs? Cray cray

Did you mean that you will be sharing the 15 % with people? If it is so then as far as I know it is fine and not forbidden to do so though because everything that will be paid to you will be your own possesion.
I might have misunderstood the previous post , I thought Ranlo was asking about the potential abuse of referring your ownself ( I posted that in an early morning so yeah, kinda misunderstood sorry Cheesy

)

P.S : Sorry for the confusion

U are right sharing our affiliate profits.... at 15% per player could share 5% with the new person and still be making as much as pd...then the new player can get an extra 5% just for playing and 20% more if they are on Cashback club...wtf this is awesome lol

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Quote from: Altcoin4life on July 11, 2015, 08:26:32 AM

No prob if I can't offer to share the bonus. Just lookin for affiliates now....... do people even know that by not gambling here they are losing out on this money back programs? Cray cray

Did you mean that you will be sharing the 15 % with people? If it is so then as far as I know it is fine and not forbidden to do so though because everything that will be paid to you will be your own possesion.
I might have misunderstood the previous post , I thought Ranlo was asking about the potential abuse of referring your ownself ( I posted that in an early morning so yeah, kinda misunderstood sorry Cheesy

)

P.S : Sorry for the confusion

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No prob if I can't offer to share the bonus. Just lookin for affiliates now....... do people even know that by not gambling here they are losing out on this money back programs? Cray cray

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