Topic: BetterCallRaul.it Domain Scam confirmed (Read 810 times)

That could be a better improvement, then every mistakes should serve a lesson and a stepping stone to learn new things. Especially for an incident like this its too expensive covering your own funds.

The fact is that some person trust other before scammed and a person considers others as he is himself. Royse himself is trusted managers and he even not think single time that the team will do this shame work. I agree with you that escrow should be must before running any compaign. in case if signature the escrow address should have atleast two weeks fund and before ine week team should be asked for fund and should pause compaign if escrow address not funded on time. Royse777 now using API to track wallet which is much better for future smooth work.

This should be done first by the managers so that they can avoid to ruin their reputation since case like this will continue to exist and its so hard to repeat the same action where they need to pay their participants coming out on their own pocket. But Royse is for sure well prepared on this kind of situation and we see how he give an assurance that his participants will get compensated.
Good gesture made by other participants that they are showing sympathy to their manager and say that they don't need to get paid since incident already happened, this could lessen the financial damage gotten by the manager.

Escrow should be the first thing when it comes to financial related activity in the forum, either a contest, giveaway and campaigns. There are many incidents happened the same as this yet unfortunately we again witness such an event where the manager suffers and covers all the losses.

Better to always go for an upfront payment incase of uncertainties like this should occur, they may even be the ones loosing instead of putting their campaign participants on a dashed hope on nothing, but there's a level of how one could have built a rapport with these same employers/organizations without them paying up front and then you trust their reputation and representative as well, but in this case, it's risky to take and those managers that engage doing such already have their own personal money as backup in case of uncertainties.
 

You're right, after the incident with the CM, there's a notice on sudden boom on how these mixers were appearing and operating, yet i want to believe most of them have been this good intentions to make a good reputation in quality service delivery for their users.

Most likely. I am waiting to see investors are coming here and asking for refunds.

Is there any number found available how much he scammed from the token sale?

Someone who used their real id will be too brave to fake the authority before anything else. He must be reported to Europol.

People should also be very careful and not blindly trusting websites like kycnot.me, but checking their changelog is a good idea.
Apparently Bettercallraul was also listed there and few days ago they got delisted.
Maybe they got inspiration for eXch plagiarism on that website.

I can't believe that he is that stupid.
He probably purchased some fake identity and registered with that on yahoo finance.

Flag supported, sorry to see this type of behavior.

As Trofo said - escrowed funds in advance are a good protection against these things.
We hope it will become a standard for sig campaigns - it's in nobody's interest to see campaign managers in such situations.

After @Bitcoin_Arena said they were a ripoff of eXch's site. I went to exch to find the following:

1. eXch's profile in Bits.media (you can find it in their contact page) here we can see that Bettercallraul is the latest visitor of that profile:



2. After checking eXch's site further, I realized that the "reserves" looked kind of the same (depending on the period) as to what Bettercallraul was showing in their site (the maximum amount that can go through their ASM). See @LoyceV post here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61984378

3. I reached out to eXch and they confirmed that Bettercallraul was indeed using their API so maybe...:

- Bettercallraul didn't hold any funds to start with, and they were processing transactions through eXch.

The API allows you to use a referrer ID so it's possible they were generating their revenue from the affiliate program: https://exch.cx/affiliation

Now for the dumped tokens, I found this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/SkyWalker64007/status/1661582293553631234
https://twitter.com/GamblingWhale/status/1661092609849212955

Also looks like the person behind the project is doxxed completely:

https://twitter.com/SkyWalker64007/status/1660735328330854400

But why would someone dump the tokens then send everything to someone else (not sure what its connection with the project is) and a dead wallet

Unlikely. Look at their profile: Location:    TOR. You don't create a Monero exchange to be tracked.

Flag supported. It’s just that they already spend a lot on their marketing but still commit a rug pull instead of maintaining the brand.



The way I understand Royse objective now on running the campaign. He wants to limit the information about the bounty to the participants only that’s why escrow address and spreadsheet are hidden on some of his campaign. Using this API will make it visible to all participants. Besides escrow address can be view on block explorer.

This API is very good tool for all the campaigns that disclosed the escrow address of the campaign to the public.

They probably used some centralized exchanges, but if I remember correctly they had other privacy coins on their website, so it's not that hard to mask transaction paths.

I don't know how other campaign managers are doing their work, but if I was working as one I would be very strict and ask for that extra bit of security.
Then again, I would probably be a bad manager and mess something else in the process, because I suspect that anything can be a scam until proven differently

Payment up front is something we (Cro 2) insist on when running any sort of campaign or competition on forum. We don't work with companies that aren't serius and feel like few months worth of escrowed funds are necessary to show commitment and atrract good members.

Anyway realy unfortunate situation but sort of expected, a lot of mixers rushed to fill CM void and while some are trying to make money trough quality of their service it was inevitable that some would simply scam their way to profits.

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Can you add more information that might lead to their identification? They don't seem to be professionals, and with a little tracking, we will find that their deposits have ended up on a KYC centralized platform.
Does anyone know the exact date the site was taken down, it may have occurred some time before OmegaStarScream's response

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the idea of joker josue is good


I think Royse or other signature manager should do this API on every signature thread so the user can be aware too if advertiser has topped up the balance

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I think it's better to ask for payments in advance whenever you are working with some new crypto company, that way you will save yourself a lot of trouble down the road.
There was something fishy last time I asked few questions BetterCallRaul, but I can't remember what exactly was that.
I think they probably received larger amount of coins from someone to exchange and they decided to keep it for themselves 

Scammers don't live by moral codes, but photoshopping CM seized image was a real circus show.

Shame on those people who did that to someone like Royse and the participants of the signature campaign. It wasn't fault of Royse to trust those people because honest people like him always trust those people who later on take advantage of such honest people. I don't know that how can those scammer sleep by doing such acts with honest people. However, what they have done is not your fault and you should not be sad for their act.

Now that I'm sure that the BetterCallRaul hasn't sent any funds to Royse for the campaign. I request Royse to not send me the payment from his pocket, I truly appreciate your efforts as a best campaign manager and I'm okay without the payment. In such times we all should support Royse sir, instead of filling our pockets from his pocket.

It's my humble request to the participants of the BetterCallRaul to understand the situation and support the manager who has done his job in the best way possible. I hope that many of the participants will understand the situation and will not take any payments from Royse's pocket.

As I was expecting they did not pay the scammed amount of BTC that was supposed to be paid for the signature campaign. I'm really sorry for this incident and it's truly shameful behavior from the people behind the BettercallRaul.it Project and its owner. In the future it's important to be careful of shady and insure projects that willing to be promoted on bitcointalk.

To prevent such situations like this from happening again make sure to secure funds for several weeks before launching a campaign, and don't go for more weeks only when you have funds secured from the project.

You can't judge a book by it's cover. Some people prefer a funny name, while some scammers use "very serious names" and scam nonetheless.

It really is to be regretted, the fact that the idea clearly remained that they did this in a premeditated way. 

This ends up hurting everyone's work! But this is only the fault of the project team.

It's confirmed BetterCallRaul.it rug pulled and scammed us 0.05836495 BTC which they were supposed to spend in their signature campaign. I was considering, it's just a normal delay from them being busy (like sometimes it happen with many projects that are marketing their brand from few weeks and paying regularly, but eventually they pay) but it seems it was planned from them not to spend anymore but to take the chance of free advertising and close the business. I am glad that I paused the campaign as fast as I could or the scammed amount could be more.

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A negative feedback from me on the process with the reference of this post.

As a campaign manager it's hard to make quick decision and conclude a brand that you are working, has rug pulled and scammed. If the manager is wrong then it will effect dangerously to the brand image which could be an unforgivable mistake for the profession we are in. However, a regular forum member can do it very easily. If it turns out a mistake from them then they don't have to answer anyone or not liable to answer anyone. But for a campaign managers point of view, it needs concrete evidence before standing against a brand that they are paid to increase the brand value. It takes time to collect evidences and be 100% sure from all possible sources we have before concluding a case. I hope it clears some doubt of why I did not act quickly to call it a scam. But now, there are no hesitation to declare that it's a scam.

It's a shame, and highly low value moral from whoever behind the BetterCallRaul.it project.


Can you update the main thread with the link of the flag please?
Keep it at the beginning of all contents. Something like

The name of the site is suspicious since it doesn't really sound like a serious platform that's why I also suspect that this is exit scam so that they will get a supposed to be valid reason not to compensate their existing clients. This is bad excuse since maybe there will be more platform will follow and used this seized word as reason to do their glamorous exit.

Crazy things happen and maybe this is planned exit and hopefully this one didn't create big damage financially to large group of people here.

I hope he does, Royse is doing a high-standard campaign he doesn't deserve this kind of treatment from developers, this is one of the many risks of being a campaign manager, you have an obligation to the project you are managing and to your participants as well but from the looks of it its a rug pull it is very obvious, it's a fake and photoshopped script and there's no announcement of being seized even though he logs in to his account.
The developer thought that we will not catch him pulling the plug with his fake script many members are good in analyzing what happen.

Personally, I think it's scam, but the reason they used ChipMixer is because many  would be afraid to announce that he was scammed. A lot of people who used Chipmixer did not report any scam because they are afraid of the legal issue, so this little trick will scare a lot of people.

Inevitably, someone will appear and say that he lost a large sum and announcing that the site has been sized will make him a little afraid or avoid using legal methods.

Yes, I have been here in the community for 6 years and this is the first time that I heard this kind of exit scams from no less than an bitcoin tumbler. They usually disappear though with customers funds (assuming some whale used this websites to mix his coins and then the people behind just took it).


Hopefully they login to talk to the campaign manager and clear everything up because this is getting out of hand.

They still logged in account hours ago and reading our scam accusation and responded to our complaints by taking off their fake background photo and shutdown their website that is no longer seized now.

bettercallraul profile. They logged in or CIA logged in the account?  

They just made another stupid activity by logged in account to read. Stupid scam exit and not yet arrested by police.

The whole thing with the forged seized warning makes no sense either and I'm not sure what they would want to accomplish
- delay scam accusation? They will happen the next moment anyhow as we can see
- stop people from complaining and pursue them? Not going to occur if large sums are involved
- it will just bring more attention than a simple website wipeout (like now)

Not sure what they were dealing with behind the scene but probably it wasn't profitable to run so they decided it was better to shut down abruptly and maybe trap a bit of custom funds (if any?) along with the unpaid signatures. Or all of this so-called business was just a front to attract buyers for their token and it either failed or it was enough to move on?

Either way, this just looks like one of the stupidest exit scams I've witnessed around here.

This case is just really mysterious to me, hehehe. I don't know but I will play a devils advocate here. The domain name itself, not sure if anyone here is familiar with "Breaking Bad" tv series that was a hit in 2008-2013, a story about a a chemistry teacher who struggles in life, and then he was diagnosed with a lung cancer. And suddenly turn his skills into good use by becoming a drug dealer to produce and distribute methamphetamine.

And then a spin off titled "Better Call Saul" (sounds familiar?), which is the prequel, set before the original "Breaking Bad", but shows the moral decline of the character that really shows how he turns to be the bad guy in the end, so it's a tragedy, again, sounds familiar? hehehehe.

The majority of us here believe its a scam, they are in a hurry to pull it off by posting a fake and photoshopped seizure, and since they log in they cannot make an announcement that they are seized because they are first exposed of rug pull, I wonder if there are traders who lose money, if there are they can post it here for reference.
OP did not lose money here since his reference is the signature campaign which he is not a part of.

I am not surprised that this new and unknown exchange platform, "BetterCallRaul," has turned into a scam, Even the domain name does not refer to a brand or something like that, but rather to a person, and it is not known who he is. I felt uncomfortable with this exchange, which I saw for the first time being promoted in a signature campaign; Sad for the people who trusted this scam exchange and used it even though many well-established alternatives in the market are popular and safe. Fortunately, @Rose777 will pay out of his pocket to the participants in the sig campaign for the two weeks they worked to promote this nonsense, this is something to be thanked for being also one of the workers in promoting it, and it is also possible that he also did not get paid for being a bounty manager for the signature campaign, There is no conclusive proof, as @hugeblack mentioned, that the platform is Seized. This is a trick that the scammers use to remove the charges from them.

BetterCallRaul.it knows what they are doing. They even login to the forum this evening. Look at their last active time Today at 07:34:53 PM which means they are coming here to spy what is happening in the forum about their exit scam.  Really I have not heard anyone came and claimed that BetterCallRaul.it has scammed them was it that user here was using the platform?

Well payment is already due and I believe the only reason we aren't seeing  people complain of being scammed is because manager gave his word to honor their dues to prevent any panic...

Valid argument and I share the same sentiments.

But having read several opinions on this issue, it seems to have mixed feelings bordering on some users seeing this exit scam was unforeseen and the manager shouldn't be   liable which has prompted some to accept the circumstances and go without the payment....others are saying its the managers responsibility..I guess the participants should have the last say in this...Btw let's not forget CM has lost pay here for service rendered .

Agreed. If Royse777 doesn't think a scam accusation is warranted yet, I'd just wait. OP hasn't been scammed.

The escrow details aren't even public:

There's no point: the website is gone.

I completely agree that Royse777 should be the one to post this type of scam accusation as he is the one who is directly affected by it. what I think OP should have posted is an exit scam warning, I mean, with the evidence posted on the BetterCallRaul.it signature campaign, I am inclined to believe that the seizing of their website is fake.

If there is one individual who have been scam then it is Royse777 as he has to pay the campaign participants from his own pockets.

But I do agree that after carefully looking at the site and supposedly seizure order, it is somewhat doctored to look as if it was indeed taken down. So it's really a messed right now, but hopefully it will be cleared by the dev themselves because it doesn't look good at this point.

Or if it's true that they have been taken down, then it should be all over the new by now.

I tend to agree with you because AFAIK there's no victim claim he got scammed in this exchange and the exchange can't be used anymore, so if the @OP create this thread to warn other users to not use this exchange, how it's possible when we can't use it anymore?

Where did you read the @OP saying if the campaign manager is a part of the BetterCallRaul's team?

Yes, but it should be the campaign manager because he's the one who can create flag type 3, @OP can create flag type 1, but of course flag type 3 is better than type 1.

The project is indeed scam and doing this scam accusation thread is correct because the $Raul token trading is still active since there’s still liquidity locked on the LP. There’s still some user that buying and selling the tokens without any idea that project is already dead.

The telegram chat group of BCR https://t.me/bettercall_raul is already on chaos while the dev is already silent. Probably there’s only few to none investors here in the forum since this project have a very small community even on telegram. Team keeps dumping their bags since this announcement of website seize without any further explanation from their side.

If indeed BetterCallRaul had exit scam, why is this the fault of Royse when he is not part of that scam?
I'm sure the participants expect pay but this exit scam is unexpected. That makes all of them Victims.

This kind of scam really is not going to make mixers look worse to government and this is another reason why there'd be crackdown of them.

OP, don't you think your action is spontaneous and preemptive, except you're directly affected by that? The manager should've been in a better position to accuse them of scam and I believe Royse777 is waiting for the deadline for the BetterCallRaul team to do the right thing to elapse before accusing them of such. Until then, let's hope all gets well again.

This could mean that forum members (or majority) were nor using their services. If so, no one from here lost in their site. Maybe the big fish they caught before exiting is not from this forum.
It could also be fear of being tracked that made victims not to speak up. Just like the situation of ChipMixer which made many people fear so that they won't be indicted and sought after by FBI.  Let's just wait for few days more, many people are not aware of the situation and I even saw someone still wearing their signature today.

Shouldn't a flag be created as well?

It is crystal clear to me that this is an exit scam.

It is unfortunate that such a thing happened. Just as hugeblack has said, nobody had come up with anything about them being scammed by the exchange and from investigation, it seems they faked it all themselves. Who knows what really transpired for them to have done such putting the campaign manager in such position of needing to pay for services rendered by signature campaign members.

Such experience is not worth it bit of happening to the same person for the second time requiring him to make payment from his own pocket.

We just pray they come back to make payment for their debts and clear their name as the case may be.

I am surprised that no one has come to say that he has been scammed. Everything that has happened so far is related to the signature campaign, which scam has not been confirmed yet, and the campaign manager has the only right to accuse them of that, but there are no reports from users.
Also, all evidence does not indicate that the domain was seized, and therefore all that happened is that the site is exit-scam or closed service.

Personally, I do not expect them to return, but we hope that they pay the users before they are considered exit-scam

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Scammer Profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bettercallraul-3543440
ANN: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bettercallraulit-no-kyc-crypto-exchange-low-fees-private-cli-5446315
Amount scammed: 0.05836495 BTC ( Reference )

Bettercallraut a new exchange recently rugpulled and when you open site , A photo(Domain has been siezed) appears. if someone investigate deeply then one can easily understand that this image is fake and created through image editor. further more the domain is not yet closed which prove the scam of this project. unfortunately the compaign was run by most trusted manager(Royse77) and team not paid last two week payment to manager.

I created this separate thread to discuss all investigation here so that other people know their scam and learn lesson from this case.

Some Proof of scamming: