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The rules are exclusive to casino companies operating in Brazil. Therefore, casinos outside this territory will not be affected and Brazilian users who have accounts in these casinos abroad can continue using these platforms, as regulations cannot stop them.

The government of Brazil has a reason why they have introduced this rule, it could be because they are not able to monitor the casinos in the country to get an exact value of money that they are receiving to monitor their taxes or they are trying to make cryptocurrency not to have value in the country because as people can use it for gambling also deposit is more convenient than fiats, people will start buying cryptocurrency to hold and this will increase the adoption in the country. The government introducing this new law has a reason and they are the ones that know why because it does not make any sense to me. Since the law does not affect foreign casinos, I do not see it having any effect because of I was a Brazilian I could still gamble on foreign casinos.
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I guess, we can't escape from government's regulation these days. It is already like a part of every legal business, otherwise, you are illegally operating and won't last very long. Also, this regulation will give income to the community as they have taxes to pay.
When it comes to ignoring the crypto payment as means of payment method, I believe sooner or later, they will change stance also on this matter. Because crypto gamblers will always find a way how to access crypto sites. So if they learned that their people is still into crypto, then high likely that they will change their payment protocols to at least get their share from this type of payment.
I don't know, brazilians are very accommodating people, they accept things easily, which is why these arbitrary decisions happen frequently. For them, pix is ​​much more convenient, as easy as bitcoin, but without its network fees, there are no fees on pix.

But for brazilians who know the value and importance of bitcoin and crypto, they should boycott these casinos that follow strict laws to transfer bitcoin to casinos abroad.
It will not easy to boycott the regulation from the government. That can makes their government becomes more strict with the gambling and will makes another regulation that will not be good for the gamblers. The only things that their people can do is just accepts the regulation but they will find a way so they can still playing gambling with usual.

The government wants to gets additional income from the gambling industry so they makes other regulations that seems to be difficult for the gamblers. The other governments will also doing the same things. They make many new regulations to control people who uses crypto because they wants to apply taxes for their people. The governments should find a way to control their people, especially those who often playing gambling and not just limiting the access for people to use crypto.
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The fight against crypto innovations and intergretion into our various systems by the government is not something that is peculiar to the Brazilian government alone, majorly every country in the world (aside from those that have made bitcoin a legal tender) are fighting the use of cryptocurrencies in one way or another.

Come to Nigeria and you did meet a worser fight against crypto, though the Nigerian government currently careless about gambling casinos, and do not care what form of currency that the casinos operating within the country intergretes into their system as a means of deposits and withdrawals, but in general terms, the government doesn't want the existence and use of crypto in the country, and I think it's obvious what they are afraid of.
Many governments around world are hesitant to accept cryptocurrencies like bitcoin. Nigeria is good example where the government allows gambling casinos but tries to stop cryptocurrency use. Governments are worried about losing control over money mostly have fear of money laundering. While their worries make sense stopping cryptocurrency progress might not be best solution. Instead governments should find ways to regulate and educate people about crypto so they can benefit from it while addressing their concerns.
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The new brazilian law that regulates online betting excludes the use of payments with cryptocurrencies, bank slips, cash or any alternative deposit payment method that could hinder the origin of resources and government fiscal control over the platforms and customers of the casino.

This could encourage clandestine betting on foreign platforms that accept crypto, outside the reach of national regulation.

The rules are exclusive to casino companies operating in Brazil. Therefore, casinos outside this territory will not be affected and Brazilian users who have accounts in these casinos abroad can continue using these platforms, as regulations cannot stop them.

Once again the brazilian government is going against innovation and proving to be stupid.

For more details, access the full article here.
The fight against crypto innovations and intergretion into our various systems by the government is not something that is peculiar to the Brazilian government alone, majorly every country in the world (aside from those that have made bitcoin a legal tender) are fighting the use of cryptocurrencies in one way or another.

Come to Nigeria and you did meet a worser fight against crypto, though the Nigerian government currently careless about gambling casinos, and do not care what form of currency that the casinos operating within the country intergretes into their system as a means of deposits and withdrawals, but in general terms, the government doesn't want the existence and use of crypto in the country, and I think it's obvious what they are afraid of.
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I guess, we can't escape from government's regulation these days. It is already like a part of every legal business, otherwise, you are illegally operating and won't last very long. Also, this regulation will give income to the community as they have taxes to pay.
When it comes to ignoring the crypto payment as means of payment method, I believe sooner or later, they will change stance also on this matter. Because crypto gamblers will always find a way how to access crypto sites. So if they learned that their people is still into crypto, then high likely that they will change their payment protocols to at least get their share from this type of payment.
I don't know, brazilians are very accommodating people, they accept things easily, which is why these arbitrary decisions happen frequently. For them, pix is ​​much more convenient, as easy as bitcoin, but without its network fees, there are no fees on pix.

But for brazilians who know the value and importance of bitcoin and crypto, they should boycott these casinos that follow strict laws to transfer bitcoin to casinos abroad.
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The brazilian Senate approved the bill that allows gambling in Brazil, with casinos, bingo, etc. duly under regularization.

Casinos must operate in integrated leisure complexes or on vessels specifically designed for this purpose. According to the proposal, these complexes must contain, at a minimum, high-standard hotel accommodation, places for meetings and social events, shopping centers, restaurants and bars.

Casinos will be able to explore card games, such as blackjack or baccarat, electronic games and roulette, among other authorized modalities

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Among so many negative news, finally some good news in the sector, although regulated.

I guess, we can't escape from government's regulation these days. It is already like a part of every legal business, otherwise, you are illegally operating and won't last very long. Also, this regulation will give income to the community as they have taxes to pay.
When it comes to ignoring the crypto payment as means of payment method, I believe sooner or later, they will change stance also on this matter. Because crypto gamblers will always find a way how to access crypto sites. So if they learned that their people is still into crypto, then high likely that they will change their payment protocols to at least get their share from this type of payment.
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Even though those seem to be good news for the gambling sector in Brazil, it would seems it still does not have anything to do with cryptocurrency or the fact people can use Bitcoin and cryptocurrency to gamble. It is a first step, no doubt about it, but if regulators and law makers give much priority to the FIAT gambling sector and do not keep things straight with the Bitcoin gambling sector within the country, then clandestinity will continue to surge and stay high among casinos affected by the lack of rules. Makes me wonder if politicians somehow have a deal with the FiAt/brick and mortar casinos, for them to be more favored with new regulations than crypto casinos.
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The brazilian Senate approved the bill that allows gambling in Brazil, with casinos, bingo, etc. duly under regularization.

Casinos must operate in integrated leisure complexes or on vessels specifically designed for this purpose. According to the proposal, these complexes must contain, at a minimum, high-standard hotel accommodation, places for meetings and social events, shopping centers, restaurants and bars.

Casinos will be able to explore card games, such as blackjack or baccarat, electronic games and roulette, among other authorized modalities

Link

Among so many negative news, finally some good news in the sector, although regulated.
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As long as most countries remain indecisive about incorporating cryptocurrencies into the different payment methods of any person’s life, Brazil or any other countries that are following US, means they will continue to reject the idea due to some excuses such as concerns about money laundering and knowing the financial sources or any individual. It's wrong to assume that individuals laundering money would risk their identities by depositing funds in casinos (rarely some idiots are doing it).

These regulations are missing a common sense and governments are unnecessarily complicating the adoption of this new technology for both involved. The Brazilian government appears to be closely monitoring updates from the USA, which means if the US regulates cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin, Brazil is likely to reconsider this current law because in my opinion they don’t know what they are doing.
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Politicians all over the world need to adjust the way they think, it seems they believe they own their citizens, when it is the citizens the ones that own the government, and with that flawed thinking they pass ridiculous laws like this.

But at the end it does not matter, because those that may like to retain some level of privacy or at least deny the Brazilian government of any benefits they may get from the casinos established on Brazil, can avoid doing so by simply gambling in one of the many different cryptocurrency casinos available.
Politicians are not concerned about whether what they think is right or wrong, what they want is control over the population, the state is a bubble, the more individuals give them approval, the more their influence grows to the point of commanding and dismantling in your life as if you were their property.

Bitcoin is just a response to the centralized control of money through central banks and as it is something that they cannot stop and cannot do anything about, they are left to stop citizens from using it little by little until it becomes unviable, but the market There's always a way to reverse it, there's no way to put a door in an open field.
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The new brazilian law that regulates online betting excludes the use of payments with cryptocurrencies, bank slips, cash or any alternative deposit payment method that could hinder the origin of resources and government fiscal control over the platforms and customers of the casino.

This could encourage clandestine betting on foreign platforms that accept crypto, outside the reach of national regulation.

The rules are exclusive to casino companies operating in Brazil. Therefore, casinos outside this territory will not be affected and Brazilian users who have accounts in these casinos abroad can continue using these platforms, as regulations cannot stop them.

Once again the brazilian government is going against innovation and proving to be stupid.

For more details, access the full article here.
Politicians all over the world need to adjust the way they think, it seems they believe they own their citizens, when it is the citizens the ones that own the government, and with that flawed thinking they pass ridiculous laws like this.

But at the end it does not matter, because those that may like to retain some level of privacy or at least deny the Brazilian government of any benefits they may get from the casinos established on Brazil, can avoid doing so by simply gambling in one of the many different cryptocurrency casinos available.
hero member
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The rules are exclusive to casino companies operating in Brazil. Therefore, casinos outside this territory will not be affected and Brazilian users who have accounts in these casinos abroad can continue using these platforms, as regulations cannot stop them.

Once again the brazilian government is going against innovation and proving to be stupid.

For more details, access the full article here.

This looks more like scrutiny to reduce crypto casino but they don't want to comes straight because if you check mate the numbers of deposits and withdraws from this list they mentioned payment options, crypto will take all the transactions before the remaining ones will have a place but see how they are beating around the corner but I still think even with this, people will not listen and that's the reality, there are something that are just to real to kill from existence.

The government is not going against innovation but they fear how fast new innovation is growing fast and it's claiming all there territory and it has become a concern for them to look into and because they can't control it, they decide to ban it from users but can you really ban what you didn't even create, it will only limit the use but I'm very sure there are people who wouldn't see this as nothing from there day to day gambling in crypto casino.
legendary
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In the end, all governments have to move with the times yet have to maintain ways to balance their agenda with perceived or potential concerns such as money laundering and other criminal activities. Surely they know their citizens will use VPNs to access foreign gaming/betting websites because modern technology is evolving therefore on that basis alone their plans seem somewhat draconian.

This could be the next move to those gamblers who still want to use crypto as their funds to gamble, and yes this could mean less taxes to collect for Brazilian government, they must think for a more innovative way to address this instead of sticking to the ancient way. Technology is growing and the only to survive is to adopt slowly but surely. Let's see if they will succeed on this or the unaccounted gambling activities on that country will increase because of this new law.
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But isn't that to protect national economic interests? because a country has the right to protect their interests and prohibit anything other than their currency from being used in various industries, and especially in the gambling industry, so there is nothing too problematic about their decision. Moreover, such regulations do not really affect online casinos, since they only limit casinos operating in their territory, while the majority of casinos are based in Curaçao or other countries outside Brazil and Brazilians are still free to use online casinos that support crypto.
I share the same opinion as this guy here:

In my country (Australia) ALL gambling winnings and profits are 100% tax free.

You don't have to declare it because it is considered a hobby.

In the USA and other countries gambling winnings are treated the same as income and gambling companies are required by law to withhold federal income taxes.

If I had to pay taxes I would quit gambling. The risk wouldn't be worth it.

Does your country tax gambling winnings and if so do you declare it yourself or does the gambling operator withhold the taxes on your behalf?

And I add my opinion:

I agree with OP. I'm tired of discussing this, taxes on gambling is the most absurd thing you can think of, the chances are 50/50 to win or lose in a game, when you lose your bet, the government doesn't reimburse you.

The government acts like a mafia partner that forces us to include it in our profit shares, we already pay enough taxes to support the state apparatus and we don't get the expected return.

For a change, a law that looks more like a botched job made by politicians who do not understand what they are regulating. We know enough about that in Europe. I bet they will come up with another regulation in a few years, when they realise how much they are missing with users playing on cryptocurrency platforms.

You can't put doors on an open field.
When regulators change regulations in the sector all the time, we know that this is a strong accusation that, in addition to not disclosing the matter, they are pushing solutions without any logical basis that have never been tested before, which could destroy the sector.

Not just encourage but will definitely happen, think of it like this, the more you tighten your grip on something that you want to control then the more that they want to resist which in this context would pave way for off shore betting so as to prevent surveillance or the regulation from reaching those people. This will also make the illegal elements much more creative on how they're going to use that regulation in their favor if evasion of the regulation isn't possible. As always, just another problem regulation that's made without any knowledge from the people that would care about it the most.
They are literally asking for it.

sorry if this is a little off topic but is anyone here from Brazil? I am curious, what is Pix? I saw it in the article and while reading through it, I got the feeling that someone wants to pass(or have passed) this law to make gambling bettors in Brazil use Pix more often. also, I can't help but think that this will not stop with online gambling.
Are you talking about the gambling board as a whole? Yes, it has a dozen of them who are very active here.

Pix is ​​an instant payment protocol created by the Brazilian central bank, resources are transferable between payments debited from the payer's balance and credited to the recipient's account.

One of the ways to transfer money via Pix is ​​to link the CPF (Cadastro de Pessoas Físicas - Registration of Individuals, a tax document here in Brazil), telephone number, email or random key which is known as Virtual Payment Address (similar to the crypto receiving address ) is formed by an ordered sequence of 32 characters between numbers and letters.
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I do not want to give the impression I agree with everything the Brazilian government has proposed regarding betting in general but if they implement rules that want to keep records on citizens betting spending it is not progressive at all. They should find better ways to keep an eye on possible criminal activity including money laundering. If they are not careful, in the end people will find ways to play/bet/gamble elsewhere with a degree of privacy in non-Brazil based regulated entities therefore it will mean less tax revenue for the Brazilian government. I doubt the Brazilian government want that.

This could encourage clandestine betting on foreign platforms that accept crypto, outside the reach of national regulation.
This could be the next move to those gamblers who still want to use crypto as their funds to gamble, and yes this could mean less taxes to collect for Brazilian government, they must think for a more innovative way to address this instead of sticking to the ancient way. Technology is growing and the only to survive is to adopt slowly but surely. Let's see if they will succeed on this or the unaccounted gambling activities on that country will increase because of this new law.
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I do not want to give the impression I agree with everything the Brazilian government has proposed regarding betting in general but if they implement rules that want to keep records on citizens betting spending it is not progressive at all. They should find better ways to keep an eye on possible criminal activity including money laundering. If they are not careful, in the end people will find ways to play/bet/gamble elsewhere with a degree of privacy in non-Brazil based regulated entities therefore it will mean less tax revenue for the Brazilian government. I doubt the Brazilian government want that.

This could encourage clandestine betting on foreign platforms that accept crypto, outside the reach of national regulation.
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I completely agree that gamblers will always find ways to bypass government restrictions. Instead of giving up they will always try to search for another methods to continue gambling. Experienced gamblers are aware of risks and actively seek solutions such as using VPN to ensure they can still access gambling sites even if they are blocked in their country. They are cautious and only use reputable casino sites that allow VPN avoiding sites that may put them at risk or may be scam. This determination and adaptability demonstrate resilience of gamblers in face of adversity.
They will not stops search for the way that can helps them to keeps playing gambling no matters if they breaks the prohibition. They must trying to calms down themselves for a while, especially if there is new regulation related to gambling and they must learn the regulation so they don't have to break the regulation. Although they can use VPN to ensure they can still access gambling, they must be careful because their government can working with their ISP to watch their citizen while their citizen use the internet.

An experienced gambler will not takes the risks if they see that they may breaks the regulation and will not playing gambling at some casino. Those gamblers can adapt to the situation and will not trying to force themselves to keeps playing gambling while the situation is not good for them. But that will not works for people who can't understand the betting law as they will still find a way to keeps playing gambling.
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The proliferation of online crypto casinos has been accompanied by a decline in revenue for traditional casinos. Some countries are worried about this and often take steps to protect the interests of traditional casinos. I think it's all about taxation governments profit from legal casinos through taxation. But because online crypto casinos are decentralized, governments are unable to tax them. As a result, governments have declared war against decentralized structures. But governments forget that they cannot win the war against decentralized structures.
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The new brazilian law that regulates online betting excludes the use of payments with cryptocurrencies, bank slips, cash or any alternative deposit payment method that could hinder the origin of resources and government fiscal control over the platforms and customers of the casino.

This could encourage clandestine betting on foreign platforms that accept crypto, outside the reach of national regulation.

The rules are exclusive to casino companies operating in Brazil. Therefore, casinos outside this territory will not be affected and Brazilian users who have accounts in these casinos abroad can continue using these platforms, as regulations cannot stop them.

Once again the brazilian government is going against innovation and proving to be stupid.

For more details, access the full article here.

This is yet another example of a stupid gambling regulation/legislation. Maybe it is deliberately made that way, who knows.
AFAIK, this regulation isn't any better than most of the national gambling legislations around the world. No country in the world could stop online gamblers from registering accounts on foreign online casinos and moving their money abroad.
Banning cash seems weird as well. What would to happen to the Brazilian offline casinos, since cash is banned? Is offline gambling even allowed in Brazil?
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Exactly what you said. When people wants to playing gambling but they see the barrier from the government, they will search for the other and makes sure that they can still playing gambling. Those who often playing gambling should see many cases out there and trying to search for the ways just in case if they will face it in the future. If they experienced that, they will not confuse and they can adapt with the situation and can still playing gambling without any problem.

Many people use VPN to access the gambling site because their country has been blocked by the government. They knows which casino sites that allow their customer using VPN so they will playing gambling on that site. They will not risks themselves to playing gambling on the site that they are not sure about the used of VPN is allow or not.
I completely agree that gamblers will always find ways to bypass government restrictions. Instead of giving up they will always try to search for another methods to continue gambling. Experienced gamblers are aware of risks and actively seek solutions such as using VPN to ensure they can still access gambling sites even if they are blocked in their country. They are cautious and only use reputable casino sites that allow VPN avoiding sites that may put them at risk or may be scam. This determination and adaptability demonstrate resilience of gamblers in face of adversity.
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