Topic: Between futures trading and gambling - page 10. (Read 1870 times)
If futures trading is like gambling then trading in the forex market can also be considered gambling. I think the discussion regarding this is because of how the EU is trying to regulate the market as gambling. While it may not matter to some whether crypto trading can be considered gambling. The government may ban gambling which is gonna be an underground still after all the regulations are done.
Gambling and trading is really not that the same especially if we just view gambling as a form of entertainment it's not every day that we see ourselves gambling in some random platform. Trading cannot be viewed as entertainment because in this field, vast experience and knowledge is a requirement so that you can minimize your risks and chances to lose while gambling, yes it may require some of these mainly if you're inclined to sports betting but again, it's not the same where we have to choose.
Last but not the least, why not do both because that is very possible to do. I mean, I do that myself.
Basically, trading is something that people do specifically to earn money, so they spend a lot of time learning it and the tools and patterns, and indicators used to become a successful trader because you put your money and your time on the line so that you can gain financial freedom. On the other hand, gambling is something that doesn't require any learning, anyone can start gambling right away if they have money and got a place to gamble.Last but not the least, why not do both because that is very possible to do. I mean, I do that myself.
Though there are parts of gambling that require experience and knowledge as you mentioned such as sports betting, that doesn't necessarily mean that gambling is something that can be used to earn money because it is not and that is why it is called gambling as you always have the risk of losing your money.
In my opinion, trading is equal to gambling (if you are not a market maker, arbitrageur, liquidity provider, etc.). If trading could be guaranteed to make money, then everyone would do it - but someone has to lose (plus those who keep the infrastructure in the form of exchanges and other things are obliged to pay for it at the expense of traders) since this is a zero-sum game.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
if you go into trading without any prior knowledge, then, it is more like gambling.
But if you will equip yourself with the right tools, you will find out that your chance of getting profits is much much better.
So there's difference here on case to case basis. If you have knowledge in trading, you can get out alive.
However, if you plunge yourself in futures with your luck as a weapon, then yes, you are subjecting yourself like in gambling.
All these are fairy tales that are told by those who sell this "knowledge" and "tools" to naive simpletons, promising those that they will get rich. If such knowledge/tools allowing trading in plus (guaranteed) existed, then everyone would get rich evenly, right? But you do realize that it's mathematically impossible, don't you?
common sense on where if ever there's a way or method on making yourself profitable in constant ways neither you are getting involved with trading or gambling then that someone wouldn't really be bothering on
sharing up that kind of method for it to be not that be saturated.Right? Doesnt matter on which thing you would really be getting involved with because one things for sure is that there's no way that it would really be that so easy on making profits but somehow if we do speak about on the risk levels then it would really be that significant if we do speak about futures and gambling literally.
Futures trading isnt totally a gamble because you could really apply some analysis into it compared if we do talk about gambling games literally.It is really just that people could really be having that kind of
impression towards it because of that total unpredictability of the market price which its been that in default.
In my opinion, trading is equal to gambling (if you are not a market maker, arbitrageur, liquidity provider, etc.). If trading could be guaranteed to make money, then everyone would do it - but someone has to lose (plus those who keep the infrastructure in the form of exchanges and other things are obliged to pay for it at the expense of traders) since this is a zero-sum game.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
if you go into trading without any prior knowledge, then, it is more like gambling.
But if you will equip yourself with the right tools, you will find out that your chance of getting profits is much much better.
So there's difference here on case to case basis. If you have knowledge in trading, you can get out alive.
However, if you plunge yourself in futures with your luck as a weapon, then yes, you are subjecting yourself like in gambling.
All these are fairy tales that are told by those who sell this "knowledge" and "tools" to naive simpletons, promising those that they will get rich. If such knowledge/tools allowing trading in plus (guaranteed) existed, then everyone would get rich evenly, right? But you do realize that it's mathematically impossible, don't you?
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People are willing to take the risk and move forward as they are aiming for a much quicker result, both gambling and future trading is unpredictable there are traders who can say that they have a good overview of the possible outcome but same deal with so-called experienced gamblers who can also claim that they have good knowledge with the game or sport that they are betting with.It's on your take when choosing or when using either gambling or future trading. If you are okay with the risk, then you can
proceed and try some skills and luck.
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Futures trading may be better than gambling when we look at things from the point of view of which one of those two activities has a higher chances of makes us money, however the difference is not that large, the majority of the people that try futures trading lose it all, with only a minority making a fortune in the process, which in a way is similar with what we see with gambling in which only professional gamblers and lucky people can make any money with it.
In my opinion, trading is equal to gambling (if you are not a market maker, arbitrageur, liquidity provider, etc.). If trading could be guaranteed to make money, then everyone would do it - but someone has to lose (plus those who keep the infrastructure in the form of exchanges and other things are obliged to pay for it at the expense of traders) since this is a zero-sum game.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
So you say that there is not actual way to earn money out of speculation in the markets?
I mostly agree with what you have said, however I would also like to point out that there are actual people who can earn money out of trading, of course, they use their own techniques and tools which they would never reveal to anyone.
I would say that gambling and trading are similar to each other only if there is a lack of knowledge and strategy in trading, on the other hand, we all know that there is no actual strategy in gambling or sportbetting, beyond the law of probabilities.
Comparing trading to gambling is a common error. Trading is an intentional, systematic activity when done right. Making informed selections is more significant than relying on luck.
Lets not forget that there is still some room for gambling and sports betting. They do, indeed, by their very nature generate random numbers. If done well, they may be intriguing experiences and a kind of entertainment. Understanding the odds is crucial to preventing it from becoming into a problem. After all, having some fun and playing games is perfectly acceptable as long as it's done properly.
I like the comparison as the outcome for business owners is mutually equal. There are majorities of losers, and the business continues to grow, moving back to gambler/trader perceptions. There are differences and expect that interpretations will also be different from a person to a person as some might gain some from future trades while some from gambling.
The outcome of your participation relies on your knowledge and skills, but your big luck is where the exemption really differs. With luck, even you are a newbie, you can enjoy the luxury of making money.
I have a chain of small stores, I don’t worry about their profitability at all, because they have been operating for many years, it has turned into a stable income for me, I don’t worry about anything, I just wait for the end of the month and make a profit. And I understand that for those who trade futures, this is uncertainty every day, nerves and all that. Therefore, it is simply impossible to compare futures trading, business and gambling, because they are completely different things. Futures is almost always a loss of money, gambling is entertainment, by the way on which I can earn something.The outcome of your participation relies on your knowledge and skills, but your big luck is where the exemption really differs. With luck, even you are a newbie, you can enjoy the luxury of making money.
I'm so sorry if I confused you, what I meant with my reply is about the gambling owner, I refer business owner to them, though the concept of your reply also backing up my statement all have their own opinions about future trading and gambling what they've got in common is most of the time gambler/trader lost.
Defends from how good you are in taking your time analyzing if which venue can bring you decent profits.
I like the comparison as the outcome for business owners is mutually equal. There are majorities of losers, and the business continues to grow, moving back to gambler/trader perceptions. There are differences and expect that interpretations will also be different from a person to a person as some might gain some from future trades while some from gambling.
The outcome of your participation relies on your knowledge and skills, but your big luck is where the exemption really differs. With luck, even you are a newbie, you can enjoy the luxury of making money.
I have a chain of small stores, I don’t worry about their profitability at all, because they have been operating for many years, it has turned into a stable income for me, I don’t worry about anything, I just wait for the end of the month and make a profit. And I understand that for those who trade futures, this is uncertainty every day, nerves and all that. Therefore, it is simply impossible to compare futures trading, business and gambling, because they are completely different things. Futures is almost always a loss of money, gambling is entertainment, by the way on which I can earn something. The outcome of your participation relies on your knowledge and skills, but your big luck is where the exemption really differs. With luck, even you are a newbie, you can enjoy the luxury of making money.
In my opinion, trading is equal to gambling (if you are not a market maker, arbitrageur, liquidity provider, etc.). If trading could be guaranteed to make money, then everyone would do it - but someone has to lose (plus those who keep the infrastructure in the form of exchanges and other things are obliged to pay for it at the expense of traders) since this is a zero-sum game.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
So you say that there is not actual way to earn money out of speculation in the markets?
I mostly agree with what you have said, however I would also like to point out that there are actual people who can earn money out of trading, of course, they use their own techniques and tools which they would never reveal to anyone.
I would say that gambling and trading are similar to each other only if there is a lack of knowledge and strategy in trading, on the other hand, we all know that there is no actual strategy in gambling or sportbetting, beyond the law of probabilities.
~snip~
Knowing the grounds and potential and all the risk that sorrounds either gambling or future trading is very important, it depends from how a certain individual interpretations of opportunities, though like what everyone of us are saying, the risk is always present it will be depending from how you pick the venue and how well you will going to analyze your potential benefits.Gambling or future trading is for people who can take the risk and can manage the actual risk that they are taken when they place thier money in this kind of industry.
People willing to take risks can make money, but it depends on what they do. They will make it if they can manage their finances and find a way to make money.
I like the comparison as the outcome for business owners is mutually equal. There are majorities of losers, and the business continues to grow, moving back to gambler/trader perceptions. There are differences and expect that interpretations will also be different from a person to a person as some might gain some from future trades while some from gambling.
The outcome of your participation relies on your knowledge and skills, but your big luck is where the exemption really differs. With luck, even you are a newbie, you can enjoy the luxury of making money.
In my opinion, trading is equal to gambling (if you are not a market maker, arbitrageur, liquidity provider, etc.). If trading could be guaranteed to make money, then everyone would do it - but someone has to lose (plus those who keep the infrastructure in the form of exchanges and other things are obliged to pay for it at the expense of traders) since this is a zero-sum game.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
if you go into trading without any prior knowledge, then, it is more like gambling.
But if you will equip yourself with the right tools, you will find out that your chance of getting profits is much much better.
So there's difference here on case to case basis. If you have knowledge in trading, you can get out alive.
However, if you plunge yourself in futures with your luck as a weapon, then yes, you are subjecting yourself like in gambling.
On the time that you wont really be that doing something on trading then you would definitely be losing up most of the time and its not something that recommended on doing so.
Futures is really that risky but somewhat since you could be able to still to have some technical analysis then you do really make out some less odds on losing money but of
course the market is really that unpredictable and there's no way that you could be able to handle it out and guess on where it would be going then it wouldnt really be still
giving out that assurance of success but generally two things are different to each other.
In my opinion, trading is equal to gambling (if you are not a market maker, arbitrageur, liquidity provider, etc.). If trading could be guaranteed to make money, then everyone would do it - but someone has to lose (plus those who keep the infrastructure in the form of exchanges and other things are obliged to pay for it at the expense of traders) since this is a zero-sum game.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
if you go into trading without any prior knowledge, then, it is more like gambling.
But if you will equip yourself with the right tools, you will find out that your chance of getting profits is much much better.
So there's difference here on case to case basis. If you have knowledge in trading, you can get out alive.
However, if you plunge yourself in futures with your luck as a weapon, then yes, you are subjecting yourself like in gambling.
In my opinion, trading is equal to gambling (if you are not a market maker, arbitrageur, liquidity provider, etc.). If trading could be guaranteed to make money, then everyone would do it - but someone has to lose (plus those who keep the infrastructure in the form of exchanges and other things are obliged to pay for it at the expense of traders) since this is a zero-sum game.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
So my answer to both questions is: there is no difference. Therefore, it is easier to play in a casino (if you want to take risks) and not bother yourself with "knowledge" about trading.
There are many gamblers that can gamble just to have some fun and make money in the process and there are some that focus on gambling only to make money so I would like to ask such people a question.
would you prefer to gamble in a casino and make some money or learn about futures trading and make some money?
Which one do you actually find to be more easier and I believe that futures trading is also capable of giving someone life-changing money but which one do you believe is less risky than the other?
would you prefer to gamble in a casino and make some money or learn about futures trading and make some money?
Which one do you actually find to be more easier and I believe that futures trading is also capable of giving someone life-changing money but which one do you believe is less risky than the other?
I think both of those are different things and in my eyes futures trading is very risky because if you are a gambler and you gamble with futures trading then you'll have to go with 100x leverage. The 100x leverage is far more riskier than gambling because the crypto market is very volatile and if someone is totally new in this market then he/she will end up getting the funds liquidated.
The crypto market doesn't favors the ones who are lucky while in gambling your luck play a very important role. A lucky gambler can win most of the bets, and there is some easy winning in gambling as compare to futures trading. Most of the exchanges only offer 100x or more on Bitcoin or few other coins, and those coins don't move very fast in value. In gambling a game takes just a few seconds while in futures trading it takes time to achieve positive or negative ROI.
in terms of risk and the way it works between gambling and futures trading is very much different, but people out there just think instantly without studying carefully what the function of futures trading with gambling is.
Both have their own risks, and are slightly different actually. However, as you said, sometimes someone doesn't want to learn something deeper first so it makes them easy to lose, whether in gambling or futures trading. Because that's what I experienced, always wanted good results, but was quite reluctant to study and analyze them more deeply. So that in the end the results are not in accordance with expectations and end up lost. In the future, even though we know several strategies to overcome too many lost when the market is different from the position we take. In gambling there are also several tricks to analyze the bets, especially in sports bets or gambling skills. But in fact, sometimes we are too lazy to try to analyze more deeply and end up making it sober. Then if we lose either in gambling or trading, we blame the platform or other things. Basically someone who is used to gambling will say that this is easier than trading futures. Meanwhile, those who are used to futures trading, on the other hand, consider gambling to be much more risky. Or vice versa.
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Knowing the grounds and potential and all the risk that sorrounds either gambling or future trading is very important, it depends from how a certain individual interpretations of opportunities, though like what everyone of us are saying, the risk is always present it will be depending from how you pick the venue and how well you will going to analyze your potential benefits.Gambling or future trading is for people who can take the risk and can manage the actual risk that they are taken when they place thier money in this kind of industry.
People willing to take risks can make money, but it depends on what they do. They will make it if they can manage their finances and find a way to make money.
in terms of risk and the way it works between gambling and futures trading is very much different, but people out there just think instantly without studying carefully what the function of futures trading with gambling is.
if those who think gambling is the same as trading it's just that the risks are different, in my opinion that's the wrong thinking.
many of us misinterpret it all, but what is certain here we can understand that gambling is the most fun place to seek pleasure and trade like an investment.
Yes but I can say that sometimes there's no 'future' in futures. At one snap you can lost all of your money , you can be rich instantly or you can be poor instantly as well. But I rather gamble than to make futures , I tried both my money was easily gone in futures whether it is in cross or not with low leverage or not still if the market is very unpredictable if you have small margin you will be losing too much, best practice is to put stop loss. if those who think gambling is the same as trading it's just that the risks are different, in my opinion that's the wrong thinking.
many of us misinterpret it all, but what is certain here we can understand that gambling is the most fun place to seek pleasure and trade like an investment.
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Gambling and trading is really not that the same especially if we just view gambling as a form of entertainment it's not every day that we see ourselves gambling in some random platform. Trading cannot be viewed as entertainment because in this field, vast experience and knowledge is a requirement so that you can minimize your risks and chances to lose while gambling, yes it may require some of these mainly if you're inclined to sports betting but again, it's not the same where we have to choose.
Last but not the least, why not do both because that is very possible to do. I mean, I do that myself.
if those who think gambling is the same as trading it's just that the risks are different, in my opinion that's the wrong thinking.
many of us misinterpret it all, but what is certain here we can understand that gambling is the most fun place to seek pleasure and trade like an investment.
There are many gamblers that can gamble just to have some fun and make money in the process and there are some that focus on gambling only to make money so I would like to ask such people a question.
would you prefer to gamble in a casino and make some money or learn about futures trading and make some money?
Which one do you actually find to be more easier and I believe that futures trading is also capable of giving someone life-changing money but which one do you believe is less risky than the other?
would you prefer to gamble in a casino and make some money or learn about futures trading and make some money?
Which one do you actually find to be more easier and I believe that futures trading is also capable of giving someone life-changing money but which one do you believe is less risky than the other?
Gambling and trading is really not that the same especially if we just view gambling as a form of entertainment it's not every day that we see ourselves gambling in some random platform. Trading cannot be viewed as entertainment because in this field, vast experience and knowledge is a requirement so that you can minimize your risks and chances to lose while gambling, yes it may require some of these mainly if you're inclined to sports betting but again, it's not the same where we have to choose.
Last but not the least, why not do both because that is very possible to do. I mean, I do that myself.
~snip~
Knowing the grounds and potential and all the risk that sorrounds either gambling or future trading is very important, it depends from how a certain individual interpretations of opportunities, though like what everyone of us are saying, the risk is always present it will be depending from how you pick the venue and how well you will going to analyze your potential benefits.Gambling or future trading is for people who can take the risk and can manage the actual risk that they are taken when they place thier money in this kind of industry.
People willing to take risks can make money, but it depends on what they do. They will make it if they can manage their finances and find a way to make money.
People are willing to take the risk and move forward as they are aiming for a much quicker result, both gambling and future trading is unpredictable there are traders who can say that they have a good overview of the possible outcome but same deal with so-called experienced gamblers who can also claim that they have good knowledge with the game or sport that they are betting with.
It's on your take when choosing or when using either gambling or future trading. If you are okay with the risk, then you can
proceed and try some skills and luck.
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